Proof that God exists

[eon89]

If god did exist and created the universe how would we have the perspective to know this anyway since we are made up of the same matter as the universe.  You either believe or you dont, maybe for those who believe god exists then its true, maybe for those who dont its not true.  Perhaps the universe is capable of acting out a contradiction like that.

Exactly, the only thing to do is to be an agnostic.

That's the only way decent people can act

Still better than saying that a super-entity lives in the sky.

[Moloch]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

he exist, it's a mater of faith . and the bible is the proof weather anyone wants to expect it or believe it, that's on them .

only a fool says there is a no god that simple !! .  

Is there a single Christian that uses spellcheck? How hard is it?

It looks bad when you misspell or misuse multiple words every sentence

[yugo23]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

he exist, it's a mater of faith . and the bible is the proof weather anyone wants to expect it or believe it, that's on them .

only a fool says there is a no god that simple !! . 

Is there a single Christian that uses spellcheck? How hard is it?

It looks bad when you misspell or misuse multiple words every sentence

and your prefect ?.

"You're perfect" I suppose no?

[eon89]

  that was too much!

[eon89]

Prefect Moloch please stand up.

[Moloch]

Never claimed to be prefect, but I can't take someone seriously who can't be bothered to spell words properly...

If you can't take the time to spell the words correctly, why should I take the time to read them?


I can't imagine a scientist writing a 20+ page research paper, and misspelling every other word... would anyone even bother to look at the science, or just reject him for being an idiot who cant spell?

[BADecker]

If god did exist and created the universe how would we have the perspective to know this anyway since we are made up of the same matter as the universe.  You either believe or you dont, maybe for those who believe god exists then its true, maybe for those who dont its not true.  Perhaps the universe is capable of acting out a contradiction like that.

We can know it by the evidence that God intentionally gives about Himself in the universe. For example. Three of the most basic scientific laws are cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy. When you combine these laws, you can see that God has to exist. Think about the combination of these 3 laws in depth, and you will know that God exists.

[BADecker]

If you can't prove that it doesn't exist, then it exist. That's the way it works in your divine science.

.... not sure if serious?

That's okay. You aren't really sure about much of anything.   

[BADecker]

If god did exist and created the universe how would we have the perspective to know this anyway since we are made up of the same matter as the universe.  You either believe or you dont, maybe for those who believe god exists then its true, maybe for those who dont its not true.  Perhaps the universe is capable of acting out a contradiction like that.

Exactly, the only thing to do is to be an agnostic.

That's the only way decent people can act

Still better than saying that a super-entity lives in the sky.

God pervades the whole universe, and lives outside of it as well... even though we have no conception of what "outside of the universe" means.

[BADecker]

After long and secular debates about atheism, the need for a separate topic about God's existence has arisen.
There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
Please share your argument in a logical manner and abstain from saying things like "I'm right because I'm right".
I know that this, in the end, is a philosophical discussion so only logical are welcome.

he exist, it's a mater of faith . and the bible is the proof weather anyone wants to expect it or believe it, that's on them .

only a fool says there is a no god that simple !! .  

Is there a single Christian that uses spellcheck? How hard is it?

It looks bad when you misspell or misuse multiple words every sentence

You can't show that God doesn't exist. You can't show anything against the proof that He exists. So you pick on someone's spelling. LOL

[organofcorti]

If you can't prove that it doesn't exist, then it exist. That's the way it works in your divine science.

.... not sure if serious?

That's okay. You aren't really sure about much of anything.   

Is Losvienleg ok with you answering for them?

[chanchel]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

[blackbird307]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

[chanchel]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

The earth for example.  If the earth were a just little bit closer or farther then it couldn't sustain life like it does.  It's gravity is perfect, you aren't crushed and you don't fly off because its spinning so fast.  I suppose that it was pure luck that it ended up that way?  The entire universe is so perfectly ordered, I suppose that is pure chance as well.  The human body has organs and glands that we don't even know what they do.
But what you want is a picture of God or His DNA or something like that.  Well, that isn't going to happen like I said previously, then faith wouldn't be required.

[blackbird307]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

The earth for example.  If the earth were a just little bit closer or farther then it couldn't sustain life like it does.  It's gravity is perfect, you aren't crushed and you don't fly off because its spinning so fast.  I suppose that it was pure luck that it ended up that way?  The entire universe is so perfectly ordered, I suppose that is pure chance as well.  The human body has organs and glands that we don't even know what they do.
But what you want is a picture of God or His DNA or something like that.  Well, that isn't going to happen like I said previously, then faith wouldn't be required.

Yeah, why have something measurable when you can have faith.

[Moloch]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

The earth for example.  If the earth were a just little bit closer or farther then it couldn't sustain life like it does.  It's gravity is perfect, you aren't crushed and you don't fly off because its spinning so fast.  I suppose that it was pure luck that it ended up that way?  The entire universe is so perfectly ordered, I suppose that is pure chance as well.  The human body has organs and glands that we don't even know what they do.
But what you want is a picture of God or His DNA or something like that.  Well, that isn't going to happen like I said previously, then faith wouldn't be required.

These are all evidence that God does not exist...

The universe is anything but perfectly ordered... it is also HUGE... if Earth is God's most important creation, why is it so small?

The human body contains organs that we know exactly what they used to do... long ago, before we evolved into humans... the hiccup for example, is a reflex evolution has passed down since people were fish... we also have what is known as "the lizard brain"... we have an appendix, tonsils, gall bladder, etc... plenty of organs that a human can survive perfectly without... humans are fragile, susceptible to disease... we barely get any nutrition from our food, hence all the shit we poop out our assholes...

Wouldn't a perfect God have designed humans to use a different opening to eat vs breathe?  The fact that the mouth serves 2 purposes, ensures that a certain percentage of humans will choke to death... you call this perfect design?

[exemplaar]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

The earth for example.  If the earth were a just little bit closer or farther then it couldn't sustain life like it does.  It's gravity is perfect, you aren't crushed and you don't fly off because its spinning so fast.  I suppose that it was pure luck that it ended up that way?  The entire universe is so perfectly ordered, I suppose that is pure chance as well.  The human body has organs and glands that we don't even know what they do.
But what you want is a picture of God or His DNA or something like that.  Well, that isn't going to happen like I said previously, then faith wouldn't be required.

Yeah, why have something measurable when you can have faith.

Yes, exactly that. Faith is the portal to enter the matrix of God. Without faith forget it. No evidence will be no good for you.

The real question here is not in providing the proof, it is the condition of a heart. Do you want to hear words to fit your agenda, or ultimate logic?

Atheists are walking, living contradictions. All the time they will appeal to logic and on the same side they will deny the ULTIMATE one, LOGOS. This is simple called madness or insanity if you like.

A simple equation: You and I are a creature, so we have been created, thus we have a Creator. So even you atheists, the Creator deniers are proof that Creator exist.   

What proof do you want from a spritual God?  For example, I'm living proof. Yes, you don't know me, so you will have to do your own research as i did. Seek and you will find. The comprehension of Truth is even closer than your own breath.

Also atheists have very bad memory, so in time to time refreshing is needed. Refreshing the memory of top1 atheist 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNpi2d5oEs

enjoy video

[blackbird307]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure ...

Your assertion is based on what?  Have you died and came back?  Has anyone died, say for a week and came back to tell us that God exist?  Post a link, I'd love to send my fellow atheists to investigate.

... If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

Why would I want to define something that has no evidence in reality.  I'm not in the business of writing Harry Potter's novels.

If you believe in God, you define it and provide evidence of its existence.  I can guarantee you'll win a Nobel Price and will be rich beyond your dreams if you provide a testable, scientific proof that supernatural beings exist.  Anything, ghosts, angels, devil, god, tooth fairies etc...

It just does not make sense to prove that something does not exist if that something does not exist.  It does not exist because there is no proof of it's existence.   What else is there to prove?

It is childish.  It is like asking someone to prove that Santa Claus does not exist.  It is a made up story like all religions.  Grow up people.

As we explore the world and discover how it actually works, the space for religion and superstition gets smaller and smaller...

Can you prove that he doesn't exist?  What is at the center of every galaxy?  When did we discover this?  How much do we actually know about black holes?  Time is relative, but how?  So, the universe with it's immense order and perfection was created by chance?  There will never be physical proof that god exists until the savior comes again or until you die.  Then you will be able to see with your own eyes how things really are.  If physical proof exists of God then there is no need to believe or have faith in Him, hence the lack of physical proof.

Cay you prove that He does exist?

The earth for example.  If the earth were a just little bit closer or farther then it couldn't sustain life like it does.  It's gravity is perfect, you aren't crushed and you don't fly off because its spinning so fast.  I suppose that it was pure luck that it ended up that way?  The entire universe is so perfectly ordered, I suppose that is pure chance as well.  The human body has organs and glands that we don't even know what they do.
But what you want is a picture of God or His DNA or something like that.  Well, that isn't going to happen like I said previously, then faith wouldn't be required.

Yeah, why have something measurable when you can have faith.

Yes, exactly that. Faith is the portal to enter the matrix of God. Without faith forget it. No evidence will be no good for you.

The real question here is not in providing the proof, it is the condition of a heart. Do you want to hear words to fit your agenda, or ultimate logic?

Atheists are walking, living contradictions. All the time they will appeal to logic and on the same side they will deny the ULTIMATE one, LOGOS. This is simple called madness or insanity if you like.

A simple equation: You and I are a creature, so we have been created, thus we have a Creator. So even you atheists, the Creator deniers are proof that Creator exist.   

What proof do you want from a spritual God?  For example, I'm living proof. Yes, you don't know me, so you will have to do your own research as i did. Seek and you will find. The comprehension of Truth is even closer than your own breath.

Also atheists have very bad memory, so in time to time refreshing is needed. Refreshing the memory of top1 atheist 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNpi2d5oEs

enjoy video

Well then, I think I'll forget it.
Do you know that thing called gut instinct? Intuition? Common sense? Well my common sense tells me there is no God. And I for one, I'm gonna go with my gut on this.

[exemplaar]

Ok, you choose who will you follow.

I have a feeling that someone reprogrammed your gut, instinct and intuition if you describe it as "that thing". Is it visible? What is it? How can i see it?

Your statement is 100% debunking the atheist dogma, please recheck here your beliefs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRq6qKp78W8

[blackbird307]

Ok, you choose who will you follow.

I have a feeling that someone reprogrammed your gut, instinct and intuition if you describe it as "that thing". Is it visible? What is it? How can i see it?

Your statement is 100% debunking the atheist dogma, please recheck here your beliefs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRq6qKp78W8

I'm not a sheep to need to follow anyone. I learn and do my own thing. No need to be a follower. You can live without.