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i'm surprise only 979 backers so to speak... really??? maybe waves is not fully understood or maybe dao/eth is getting all the attention from the community? regret for registering too late been reading this forum on and off since all the talk on ethereum and bashing from the nxt community in 2014 not I can't get to paste the signature for tokens  It is not too late my friend, you can still invest if you believe in the project. The ICO will end on May 31, 2016, so there's a lot of time for your to ride the train of success. |
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May 21, 2016, 05:01:27 AM |
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Can't wait to start trading some Waves!  I can't wait to start hodling some waves!  |
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May 21, 2016, 05:14:24 AM |
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thank you Bobo81 for update on googlespread. Yes, thank you! Your work is always very appreciated. |
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May 21, 2016, 05:19:48 AM |
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thank you Bobo81 for update on googlespread. Yes, thank you! Your work is always very appreciated. I'm working even saturday ! Lol ! You're welcome guys ! Are you agree with my news formulas ? |
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May 21, 2016, 05:24:45 AM |
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thank you Bobo81 for update on googlespread. Yes, thank you! Your work is always very appreciated. I'm working even saturday ! Lol ! You're welcome guys ! Are you agree with my news formulas ? of course we agree with your news formula I personally like it. Good job |
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May 21, 2016, 05:37:07 AM |
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thank you Bobo81 for update on googlespread. Yes, thank you! Your work is always very appreciated. I'm working even saturday ! Lol ! You're welcome guys ! Are you agree with my news formulas ? of course we agree with your news formula I personally like it. Good job I like your new formula bobo81 good job on making an unofficial price of waves everyday. |
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I've been curious about WAVES since the start of this thread, but haven't spent the time to research beyond what information is in the OP. Still a bit hesitant to get in during the ICO, so I ask you all this: What is WAVES bringing to the table that merits an investment? Recently I've been under the impression that the majority of ICOs attempt to lure in buyers using fancy wording, massive walls of text and nonsensical technical jargon. So many coins claim to offer 'useful new features' or 'the next standard' when in reality they're nothing more than an average clone with a shiny new GUI; all its investors merely in it to make a quick buck before moving on to the next. Serious answers please - I'm curious what WAVES has to offer. What I'm most interested in is if anything new is being brought to the table. Sell this to me, guys - I'd love to be a part of the next big thing  Thanks in advance! |
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I've been curious about WAVES since the start of this thread, but haven't spent the time to research beyond what information is in the OP. Still a bit hesitant to get in during the ICO, so I ask you all this: What is WAVES bringing to the table that merits an investment? Recently I've been under the impression that the majority of ICOs attempt to lure in buyers using fancy wording, massive walls of text and nonsensical technical jargon. So many coins claim to offer 'useful new features' or 'the next standard' when in reality they're nothing more than an average clone with a shiny new GUI; all its investors merely in it to make a quick buck before moving on to the next. Serious answers please - I'm curious what WAVES has to offer. What I'm most interested in is if anything new is being brought to the table. Sell this to me, guys - I'd love to be a part of the next big thing Thanks in advance! @Arrakeen, Unlike many other crypto-initiatives, the Waves platform has unique real use cases that prove to be superior to the substitute centralized services of the current time. There might be a lot use cases for it, but let me tell you the most prevalent and featured ones. First of all, we need to understand the underlying technology. It's asset-to-asset trading. That simple, actually. But the opportunities this feature will bring about is countless and enormous. It means that you will be able to create your own asset (like you can do with Counterparty or Nxt), and trade it against other assets created by others. Now let's take a look at the real use cases. 1) Fiat integration: If a financial company creates its own asset and says that "I will sell this token for 1 USD and also buy it back at the same price," and comes up with a legal document showing its liability for the convertibility of the asset into real USD, then that asset is the USD-token. Its value is 1 USD, backed by real USD held in the bank account of that financial institution. Now it means that you can trade any crypto-asset created in the platform against that USD-token. What are those assets in the platform? BTC, for instance, or ETH. So it means there is no need to worry about the reliability and security of the centralized exchanges. Bitfinex, Poloniex, Coinbase etc... In those hackable systems, you store your cryptos in hot wallets, and pay tons of transaction fees. But when you trade in the decentralized exchange of the Waves platform, you will hold your cryptos as well as your fiat in your Waves wallet, and the trading fees are just the network fees of the platform, that is, a few cents. 2) Crowdfunding projects: Think of it like a decentralized Kickstarter. You may issue your own token and sell it against USD in the platform. The positive consequences of such an application is apparent. You don't pay fees to a middleman. Your shares in the crowdfunding project is tradable. So it's like the company gets listed in a stock exchange right in the crowdfunding phase. And you don't have to take into account the price volatility of bitcoin, since you get the money already as USD. 3) International money transfers: That's a straight conclusion of the fiat integration. There will be many gateways in many countries, each issuing their local currency. Now if Alice wants to send 100 USD to Bob, and Bob wants EUR instead of USD, it's easily achievable by buying USD-tokens, converting them in the decentralized exchange to EUR-tokens and then send them to Bob, who will then use the EUR-gateway to get the tokens converted to real fiat and sent to his bank account. Now this is what disrupts the traditional centralized model most. A platform to be the infrastructure of a wide range of companies which are competitors of Kickstarter, PayPal, and Bitfinex. I hope the long-term potential is obvious here. So why invest in Waves? Because each transaction in the platform will require a transaction fee, which is payable in Wave coins. So the adoption of the platform means the demand for the Wave coins, which should increase its value. Note that the Waves platform doesn't only serve to the cryptocurrency community, but because of the fiat integration, it aims to be the decentralized network for the non-crypto folks as well. I hope that counts as an explanation, and I hope you join us! Best, Jian |
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May 21, 2016, 08:15:38 AM |
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I've been curious about WAVES since the start of this thread, but haven't spent the time to research beyond what information is in the OP. Still a bit hesitant to get in during the ICO, so I ask you all this: What is WAVES bringing to the table that merits an investment? Recently I've been under the impression that the majority of ICOs attempt to lure in buyers using fancy wording, massive walls of text and nonsensical technical jargon. So many coins claim to offer 'useful new features' or 'the next standard' when in reality they're nothing more than an average clone with a shiny new GUI; all its investors merely in it to make a quick buck before moving on to the next. Serious answers please - I'm curious what WAVES has to offer. What I'm most interested in is if anything new is being brought to the table. Sell this to me, guys - I'd love to be a part of the next big thing Thanks in advance! @Arrakeen, Unlike many other crypto-initiatives, the Waves platform has unique real use cases that prove to be superior to the substitute centralized services at the moment. There might be a lot use cases for it, but let me tell you the most prevalent and featured ones. First of all, we need to understand the underlying technology. It's asset-to-asset trading. That simple, actually. But the opportunities this feature will bring about is countless and enormous. It means that you will be able to create your own asset (like you can do with Counterparty or Nxt), and trade it against other assets created by others. Now let's take a look at the real use cases. 1) Fiat integration: If a financial company creates its own asset and says that "I will sell this token for 1 USD and also buy it back at the same price," and comes up with a legal document showing its liability for the convertibility of the asset into real USD, then that asset is the USD-token. Its value is 1 USD, backed by real USD held in the bank account of that financial institution. Now it means that you can trade any crypto-asset created in the platform against that USD-token. What are those assets in the platform? BTC, for instance, or ETH. So it means there is no need to worry about the reliability and security of the centralized exchanges. Bitfinex, Poloniex, Coinbase etc... In those hackable systems, you store your cryptos in hot wallets, and pay tons of transaction fees. But when you trade in the decentralized exchange of the Waves platform, you will hold your cryptos as well as your fiat in your Waves wallet, and the trading fees are just the network fees of the platform, that is, a few cents. 2) Crowdfunding projects: Think of it like a decentralized Kickstarter. You may issue your own token and sell it against USD in the platform. The positive consequences of such an application is apparent. You don't pay fees to a middleman. Your shares in the crowdfunding project is tradable. So it's like the company gets listed in a stock exchange right in the crowdfunding phase. And you don't have to take into account the price volatility of bitcoin, since you get the money already as USD. 3) International money transfers: That's a straight conclusion of the fiat integration. There will be many gateways in many countries, each issuing their local currency. Now if Alice wants to send 100 USD to Bob, and Bob wants EUR instead of USD, it's easily achievable by buying USD-tokens, converting them in the decentralized exchange to EUR-tokens and then send them to Bob, who will then use the EUR-gateway to get the tokens converted and sent to his bank account. Now this is what disrupts the traditional centralized model most. A platform to be the infrastructure of a wide range of companies which are competitors of Kickstarter, PayPal, and Bitfinex. I hope the long-term potential is obvious here. So why invest in Waves? Because each transaction in the platform will require a transaction fee, which is payable in Wave tokens. So the adoption of the platform means the demand for the Wave tokens, which should increase its value. Note that the Waves platform doesn't only serve to the cryptocurrency community, but because of the fiat integration, it aims to be the decentralized network for the non-crypto folks as well. I hope that counts as an explanation, and I hope you join us! Best, Jian Great post Jolly.For me Waves is a long term investment.I like the idea of lend my shares and recieve interests. Have a good day!!! |
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Devesh
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May 21, 2016, 08:25:50 AM |
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So it was like a company or something that we have our share by just owning some waves.
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Bobo81
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May 21, 2016, 08:27:21 AM |
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thank you Bobo81 for update on googlespread. Yes, thank you! Your work is always very appreciated. I'm working even saturday ! Lol ! You're welcome guys ! Are you agree with my news formulas ? of course we agree with your news formula I personally like it. Good job I like your new formula bobo81 good job on making an unofficial price of waves everyday. Great news ! Thanks guys ! Is it correct with your Waves balance ? |
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May 21, 2016, 08:47:06 AM |
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So it was like a company or something that we have our share by just owning some waves.
@Devesh, Not really. In business entities the profit comes from producer surplus, which is reflected to the price of the shares of the business in this or that way. The Waves platform is the product itself, and the way you could make money with Wave tokens depends on consumer surplus. Best, Jian |
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May 21, 2016, 08:49:57 AM |
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So waves holders will get something like a dividend from shares in a company.
I am more interested in the value of tokens themselves as a means for trading goods and services.
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May 21, 2016, 08:50:27 AM |
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One last push and we could beat the LISK ICO.
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May 21, 2016, 09:08:24 AM |
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One last push and we could beat the LISK ICO.
Lisk ICO was terribly behind us at this point, they raised most of their money in the last week |
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May 21, 2016, 09:13:00 AM |
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So waves holders will get something like a dividend from shares in a company.
I am more interested in the value of tokens themselves as a means for trading goods and services.
@Batmanvsduecare, Do you arrive at this conclusion because of something I said? Best, Jian |
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May 21, 2016, 09:16:00 AM |
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Why has Waves development stagnated? By the way, i only see this person with this pseudonymous "gagarin" commiting changes on core. So right now is there only one person developing on Waves platform? I was willing to invest, but i don't see it gaining power on development here. Yelllow flags???  we're testing the lite client now. after that we'll continue the development. priority is a good and stable network and the POC lite client. Cool, there'll be a lite client too, I didn't know that! |
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May 21, 2016, 10:09:55 AM |
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I am a bit confused by these numbers. For example, if I put in .75 BTC on 4/26 and .25 BTC on 5/9, according to your graph I should have gotten, respectively, around 11,303 (=.75/.00006635) + 2731.9 (=0.25/00009151) = 14034, but I see 9580 LISK. 4454 are missing, around 46% off. Something is very off here. Have I made a mistake or what is wrong here? Thanks in advance, IAS |
BTC = Black Swan.
BTC = Antifragile - "Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty. Robust is not the opposite of fragile.
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May 21, 2016, 10:12:19 AM |
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Can somebody update me? I just want to remember/know, is there an official launch day? (I know the ICO will be open for 11 days more)
Is any bonus still available?
Thanks, sorry for my english
I think launch day is the 1st of June. There is no more bonus now I think. Goodluck! Your english is fine man! From what I recall, the sales of Waves tokens will end the 1st of June, while the waves platform will launch some time this summer. So far the plan is to have wallets available when the ICO ends and that exchanges will be able to start trading once the tokens are paid out to everyone. |
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May 21, 2016, 10:14:01 AM |
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I've been curious about WAVES since the start of this thread, but haven't spent the time to research beyond what information is in the OP. Still a bit hesitant to get in during the ICO, so I ask you all this: What is WAVES bringing to the table that merits an investment? Recently I've been under the impression that the majority of ICOs attempt to lure in buyers using fancy wording, massive walls of text and nonsensical technical jargon. So many coins claim to offer 'useful new features' or 'the next standard' when in reality they're nothing more than an average clone with a shiny new GUI; all its investors merely in it to make a quick buck before moving on to the next. Serious answers please - I'm curious what WAVES has to offer. What I'm most interested in is if anything new is being brought to the table. Sell this to me, guys - I'd love to be a part of the next big thing Thanks in advance! @Arrakeen, Unlike many other crypto-initiatives, the Waves platform has unique real use cases that prove to be superior to the substitute centralized services at the moment. There might be a lot use cases for it, but let me tell you the most prevalent and featured ones. First of all, we need to understand the underlying technology. It's asset-to-asset trading. That simple, actually. But the opportunities this feature will bring about is countless and enormous. It means that you will be able to create your own asset (like you can do with Counterparty or Nxt), and trade it against other assets created by others. Now let's take a look at the real use cases. 1) Fiat integration: If a financial company creates its own asset and says that "I will sell this token for 1 USD and also buy it back at the same price," and comes up with a legal document showing its liability for the convertibility of the asset into real USD, then that asset is the USD-token. Its value is 1 USD, backed by real USD held in the bank account of that financial institution. Now it means that you can trade any crypto-asset created in the platform against that USD-token. What are those assets in the platform? BTC, for instance, or ETH. So it means there is no need to worry about the reliability and security of the centralized exchanges. Bitfinex, Poloniex, Coinbase etc... In those hackable systems, you store your cryptos in hot wallets, and pay tons of transaction fees. But when you trade in the decentralized exchange of the Waves platform, you will hold your cryptos as well as your fiat in your Waves wallet, and the trading fees are just the network fees of the platform, that is, a few cents. 2) Crowdfunding projects: Think of it like a decentralized Kickstarter. You may issue your own token and sell it against USD in the platform. The positive consequences of such an application is apparent. You don't pay fees to a middleman. Your shares in the crowdfunding project is tradable. So it's like the company gets listed in a stock exchange right in the crowdfunding phase. And you don't have to take into account the price volatility of bitcoin, since you get the money already as USD. 3) International money transfers: That's a straight conclusion of the fiat integration. There will be many gateways in many countries, each issuing their local currency. Now if Alice wants to send 100 USD to Bob, and Bob wants EUR instead of USD, it's easily achievable by buying USD-tokens, converting them in the decentralized exchange to EUR-tokens and then send them to Bob, who will then use the EUR-gateway to get the tokens converted and sent to his bank account. Now this is what disrupts the traditional centralized model most. A platform to be the infrastructure of a wide range of companies which are competitors of Kickstarter, PayPal, and Bitfinex. I hope the long-term potential is obvious here. So why invest in Waves? Because each transaction in the platform will require a transaction fee, which is payable in Wave tokens. So the adoption of the platform means the demand for the Wave tokens, which should increase its value. Note that the Waves platform doesn't only serve to the cryptocurrency community, but because of the fiat integration, it aims to be the decentralized network for the non-crypto folks as well. I hope that counts as an explanation, and I hope you join us! Best, Jian A great and informative post Jian, thanks for taking the time to write this! |
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