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[Pulsar77]

Yesterday it was 30 years since Ayrton Senna died, for me he was one of the greatest of all time, I always watched the races to see him, it was all very sad... Is anyone here from Senna's time? he was incredible, especially driving in the rain.

I couldn't watch him live unfortunately but I would have really liked to. He is considered as one of the special drivers in F1 history. One of the legends. 

I watched the replays of some races in those times and realized how difficult job the drivers had. Because there was no technology like today. No HALO and no other strong security measures for the safety of drivers. It is really sad to lose a great driver like Senna in a racing accident.    These days thankfully races are prevented from being deadly ones at a high rate. I hope the number of deaths would go down to 0 in this sport.

[FanEagle]

Adrian Newey leaving is a terrible terrible news for Red Bull, because there will be the famous 2026 changes, and when that happens they will need a car that is amazing, and Newey is by far the best designer in the world, without him they are not going to build a car that is great.

If it is all about just money, then Aston Martin has a very rich owner, and he is willing to get his son as much chances as possible, father stroll already hired bunch of engineers from red bull to have a decent car, if he could get Newey as well then I am assuming that with 2026 changes then even Aston Martin could end up with the best car and it wouldn't be a shock. Plenty of teams have changes when you look at regulation changes, so it is all going to be a surprise to us all.

[LTU_btc]

Yesterday it was 30 years since Ayrton Senna died, for me he was one of the greatest of all time, I always watched the races to see him, it was all very sad... Is anyone here from Senna's time? he was incredible, especially driving in the rain.

Nope, I wasn't even born back then. But saw many movies, videos about him. It was such tragic weekend, don't forget that day before Roland Ratzenberger died in tragic crash. Senna wanted to honour him as Austrian flag was found in his car...
It was such wild and such dangerous times in F1. And despite that safety level since improved unbeleavable, we still have tragic crashes happening...

Adrian Newey leaving is a terrible terrible news for Red Bull, because there will be the famous 2026 changes, and when that happens they will need a car that is amazing, and Newey is by far the best designer in the world, without him they are not going to build a car that is great.

If it is all about just money, then Aston Martin has a very rich owner, and he is willing to get his son as much chances as possible, father stroll already hired bunch of engineers from red bull to have a decent car, if he could get Newey as well then I am assuming that with 2026 changes then even Aston Martin could end up with the best car and it wouldn't be a shock. Plenty of teams have changes when you look at regulation changes, so it is all going to be a surprise to us all.

Before leaving Red Bull he is going to work on RB17 hypercar, so, it's not that he will be free very soon.
Somehow I don't see him in Aston Martiin. Stroll is rich, but I think it's not just about money. And I'm concerned about Red Bull. Yeah, we all hate such dominance, but it would be sad if  they will collapse after so much efforts and successful seasons.

[swogerino]

Adrian Newey leaving is a terrible terrible news for Red Bull, because there will be the famous 2026 changes, and when that happens they will need a car that is amazing, and Newey is by far the best designer in the world, without him they are not going to build a car that is great.

If it is all about just money, then Aston Martin has a very rich owner, and he is willing to get his son as much chances as possible, father stroll already hired bunch of engineers from red bull to have a decent car, if he could get Newey as well then I am assuming that with 2026 changes then even Aston Martin could end up with the best car and it wouldn't be a shock. Plenty of teams have changes when you look at regulation changes, so it is all going to be a surprise to us all.

Most manufacturers are already looking ahead and doing tests for when the regulation comes,I mean simulations and although simulations do not offer the real value at least they give an insight as where to go with the car so it would be of no surprise if Aston Martin becomes the fastest car of the track.

I think though that the real news is the fact that Audi is heavily promoting their coming to F1 and I believe them to bring a very competitive car since already the first year of their arrival,they surely have the technical expertise and know how from many other race divisions they have raced and won including the Le Mans with that R15 TDI Audi.

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https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/news/f1-rumor-carlos-sainz-declines-audi-contract-lm22

What do you guys think about this? Is this rumor true that Sainz rejected Audi's invitation to join their team in 2026? because he feels that Red Bull or Mercedes are the best choices for his future career, and most likely Audi will not be able to give him the best performance since they are a new team in F1.

But I personally see that Sainz doesn't really want to join the Audi team, seeing how he is very competitive and has good potential to join RB or Mercedes. The problem is that Sainz Sr. is now very close to the Audi team and he wants Sainz to join the team, just like he joined Audi in rally racing - and maybe that is the reason that forced Sainz to join the team, despite his potential it's already very good to be at RB or Mercedes.

[Distraction]

Before leaving Red Bull he is going to work on RB17 hypercar, so, it's not that he will be free very soon.
Somehow I don't see him in Aston Martiin. Stroll is rich, but I think it's not just about money. And I'm concerned about Red Bull. Yeah, we all hate such dominance, but it would be sad if  they will collapse after so much efforts and successful seasons.

I have also heard about this later on. This means we are pretty likely to see another Red Bull domination next season.    But as long as Newey joins a team right away for 2025 season he can be a big help for that team to catch up with Red Bull. I hope to see him joining Ferrari, fingers crossed. 

Hamilton has also commented on a probable deal between Newey and Ferrari. He is also eager to work together. I can't wait for the day the 2025 season starts already, haha.

It looks like it has a good potential for a fierce championship rivalry, FINALLY!

[tokeweed]

according to insiders the announcement of Adrian Nevwy's farewell will be made tomorrow, it was supposed to be today but it was delayed.

According to these insiders, the favorite for the hiring is Ferrari and he should work for the 2026 car.

So even if he signs this month with Ferrari he shouldn't be able to work for the 2025 car, I believe due to company secrecy contractual rules.

Oof..  That early?  Been looking all over online but I can't find anything about Newey having already made an announcement.  But you know what, I hope he leave this early because fck Jos Verstappen and fck Max Verstappen.  These guys have become so arrogant they think they could run the team and still win trophies...

I'm loving Hamilton now and Ferrari.  Newey should go there and build them the fastest car they've haven't had in years!  Hopefully Horner follows him and they both win a constructor's championship with Ferrari.

[coinlocket$]

according to the latest news circulating in formula one we have some news.

Williams is trying to talk to Adria Newey to try to bring him home after so many years, but they are unlikely to succeed.
Max Vertappen said that he will not go to Mercedes neither for 250 million year if the car will be stuck for 5th 6th position.

[Pulsar77]

according to the latest news circulating in formula one we have some news.

Williams is trying to talk to Adria Newey to try to bring him home after so many years, but they are unlikely to succeed.
Max Vertappen said that he will not go to Mercedes neither for 250 million year if the car will be stuck for 5th 6th position.

Newey to Williams? Hmm.. It'd be really unexpected while Ferrari rumours are circulating a lot recently. A potential signing with Williams would be a huge step forward to start a new project to bring back the team to its good old days. 

Newey's effective engineering would help with the development of the car a lot. But I'm still thinking that his next place will be Ferrari. When Ferrari have amazing drivers like Leclerc - Hamilton it'd be better to benefit from an engineer like him to play for the top. As for Verstappen, he wouldn't find it sensible to leave the team for a big struggle of course.

[swogerino]

according to the latest news circulating in formula one we have some news.

Williams is trying to talk to Adria Newey to try to bring him home after so many years, but they are unlikely to succeed.
Max Vertappen said that he will not go to Mercedes neither for 250 million year if the car will be stuck for 5th 6th position.

Of course he would not love to be paid 250 million dollars and not win anything.The level this drivers fight is not for money anymore,they fight for pride and glory and this is something Mercedes cannot give him yet.He waited many years at Redbull before winning his first Championship and now he is winning his 4th with them,he makes enough money to make an easy life for generations to come if he is not stupid with money management,what he fights for is to become the greatest driver of all times,he has clearly expressed it and wants to achieve it with Redbull,until at least the end of 2025 he should be able to make the most out of such ambition.

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Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Time
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m28.595s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m28.700s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m28.711s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m28.784s
5   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m28.817s
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m28.868s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m29.012s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m29.056s
9   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m29.163s
10   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m29.175s
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m29.178s
12   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m29.189s
13   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m29.314s
14   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m29.393s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m29.445s
16   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m29.495s
17   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m29.636s
18   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m29.891s
19   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m30.023s
20   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.099s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1047786/1/2024-f1-miami-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

RBR as top as always followed by Ferrari, Charles got a spin so he coultn practice.

[Distraction]

Here we have the sprint qualifying results.



The weekend didn't start well for Leclerc indeed with a spin in FP1. However he returned with a really great performance. He finished the sprint qualifying session right behind Verstappen. It looks like Leclerc has started to show his best performances lately.    But it feels like Perez will overtake him in the sprint. Ferrari still need to put much more to their racing pace.

Ricciardo was the biggest surprise of the session. Taking the 4th place with that car is really impressive. But it wouldn't be surprising to see him collecting 0 points from the sprint. 

[FanEagle]

Did not expect Ricciardo to be at such a good place, but if I learned anything from watching f1 for this long, I can say that he has a huge risk. Cars behind him, at least a few of them, have better pace, which means that they will try to just go past him right on the first lap, even maybe first corner as soon as the race starts.

That poses some risks, because when the race starts fresh, overtaking is harder, when it is like lap 25 or something, it is just you and the other car and usually most often is on a straight, with drs, that is how majority of the overtakes are, here though on first lap, you get no drs, and it is almost always on the corners. If Ricciardo can end up being fourth by lap 3 or so, he would definitely end with a great result, but I fear that he may get hit by someone.

[tokeweed]

according to the latest news circulating in formula one we have some news.

Williams is trying to talk to Adria Newey to try to bring him home after so many years, but they are unlikely to succeed.
Max Vertappen said that he will not go to Mercedes neither for 250 million year if the car will be stuck for 5th 6th position.

Lolol.  Not happening tho I would love to see an old school team make a come back arc.  It would be good not just for the older guys watching this but also for the new guys.  But Newey ain't winning sht without a good team principal like Horner.  So it should be part of the deal if any team wants to hire Newey's services.

As for Verstappen...  I think no team would be willing to take a risk of getting him rn.  Not with the baggage he's carrying called Jos Verstappen.  The guy is somewhat of a control freak.

Anyway, any good leans and picks for this race?

[swogerino]

Did not expect Ricciardo to be at such a good place, but if I learned anything from watching f1 for this long, I can say that he has a huge risk. Cars behind him, at least a few of them, have better pace, which means that they will try to just go past him right on the first lap, even maybe first corner as soon as the race starts.

That poses some risks, because when the race starts fresh, overtaking is harder, when it is like lap 25 or something, it is just you and the other car and usually most often is on a straight, with drs, that is how majority of the overtakes are, here though on first lap, you get no drs, and it is almost always on the corners. If Ricciardo can end up being fourth by lap 3 or so, he would definitely end with a great result, but I fear that he may get hit by someone.

Ricciardo has a high rate of making an incident in the start of the Sprint race unless he is very careful and willing to let himself lose some positions in the beginning,he has Ferrari and McLaren behind him which should have absolutely no problem overtaking him in the very early stages of the Sprint race.Anyway this is just to entertain us as the official qualification starts today or better for us in Europe tonight at 22 PM so there is quite some time until then and I would love to see some really drastic changes in the top 10 of the starting grid for the race of tomorrow,that would assure us of some good racing and not a boring one,as I said before I am very much curious to see how the upgrade as benefited Ferrari although the full package will only be available at Imola later.

[Velvet78]

Ricciardo has been getting warnings by the team on his future there. As Tsunoda has been doing better than him for a while it can be said like Ricciardo has been given an ultimatum. If he doesn't start performing better he is likely to find himself at the door.    This performance was really good by him though. But we will see if this will be the start of a good series.

Of course it is too difficult for a Racing Bulls car to maintain this kind of a position. But he can at least keep up with Tsunoda and maybe even get a little better to secure his place in the team. But I don't know how much Ricciardo cares about getting sacked though as he isn't as competitive as in the past.

[coinlocket$]

Verstappen for a change won the sprint race ahead of the Ferrari of Leclerc and his Redbull teammate.
Riccardo managed to maintain fourth position ahead of Sainz.
Disaster for Norris out at the first corner and cause of safety car, quite boring race, one of the worst sprint races so far since they were introduced.

[LTU_btc]

Verstappen for a change won the sprint race ahead of the Ferrari of Leclerc and his Redbull teammate.
Riccardo managed to maintain fourth position ahead of Sainz.
Disaster for Norris out at the first corner and cause of safety car, quite boring race, one of the worst sprint races so far since they were introduced.

I think Miami track isn't the best place for Sprint race. It was nice to see him defending 4th place, but I think that he would stand no chance for such achievement in track like Monza. It's also worth to mention Yuki Tsunoda who went up from P15 to P8 and got 1 point. Prety impressive.
Poor Norris, he was innocent here completely, same like Alonso who was in sandwich. First I thought, oh no, Stroll did something stupid again, but after replay it's clear that was Hamilton fault, strange that he didn't got penalty.

[swogerino]

Verstappen for a change won the sprint race ahead of the Ferrari of Leclerc and his Redbull teammate.
Riccardo managed to maintain fourth position ahead of Sainz.
Disaster for Norris out at the first corner and cause of safety car, quite boring race, one of the worst sprint races so far since they were introduced.

The Safety Car surely impacts for the bad small races like the sprints yet the track of Miami does not let you overtake that easily and that is why the track is boring,I remember last year season or the season before that where Ferrari was fighting to win races and they were attacked by a better Redbull and the Redbull took a lot of laps to overtake.I hope that the race of tomorrow is not of the same quality as the sprint or the races that we have raced here before,despite being a relatively new track still we have not seen a race full of emotions,I think the only good race from the USA is Austin,Texas,every other race has been boring in the USA.

[püsür]

Verstappen for a change won the sprint race ahead of the Ferrari of Leclerc and his Redbull teammate.
Riccardo managed to maintain fourth position ahead of Sainz.
Disaster for Norris out at the first corner and cause of safety car, quite boring race, one of the worst sprint races so far since they were introduced.

Verstappen did not speak very well about the car, but he can manage to take pole in any way. It seems like he will close the week with maximum points again. Anyway, the formula 1 audience is divided into two. Those who watch f1 and those who watch f1.5. f1.5 is the race that is evaluated excluding Verstappen. Norris interestingly said that he is happy as if he won in races where he can finish in 2nd place behind max. Jokingly, verstappen opened a different level in f1. No matter what anyone says, the man is a machine and not someone who can be compared to anyone.