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[LTU_btc]

It was only matter of time, but now it's official - Max Verstappen is World Champion for the 3rd time. Such things doesn't happens on Saturday often in F1. But he didn't even had to do much today. There was 3 safet cars in such short sprint, but despite that, there was enough good racing. Very happy for Piastri win, it's amazing to see what he is doing in debut season. Medium tyres weren't working very well in early phase of sprint, but later drivers with these tyres had huge advantage.
That accident where Ocon and Perez made sandwhich from Hulkenber was Ocon's fault, but I'm wondering how many times in their careers Perez and Ocon got involved together. Remember what they were doing being teammates in Force India...

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[swogerino]

No one cares if Max won it on a Saturday or a Sunday,the good thing out of this is that he is the fiance of the daughter of Nelson Piquet who happen also to be the last driver on F1 to have won a F1 Championship on a Saturday,so just a good coincidence as for the rest we all knew who was the Champion of 2023 from a long long time ago.

The real news is that Piastri guy winning a race,a Sprint race but nevertheless a race and he is on his debut season,he has shown signs of great driving but today with that driving he showed that he really deserves the title at McLaren and most likely they at McLaren are preparing for a very good race tomorrow.

[dothebeats]

The real news is that Piastri guy winning a race,a Sprint race but nevertheless a race and he is on his debut season,he has shown signs of great driving but today with that driving he showed that he really deserves the title at McLaren and most likely they at McLaren are preparing for a very good race tomorrow.

The guy has a lot of potential if he keeps on driving like this. I've been eyeing at him for a few weeks now and he's really good at a lot of technical aspects of the track that they're racing on. It's not every time that a driver on his debut gets to be better than the rest of the flock who has been driving in F1 for years. Mad respect to this guy, and hopefully he continues this good performance under McLaren in order to contend for future championships.

[coinlocket$]

And yeah Max won the title and for me, this is the most boring season I can remember.
I think in the last decade I've missed around 10 GP, 5 are from this season.

There is no competition.


BTw Piastri is a great driver.

[retreat]

And yeah Max won the title and for me, this is the most boring season I can remember.
I think in the last decade I've missed around 10 GP, 5 are from this season.

There is no competition.


BTw Piastri is a great driver.

Yeah, Max winning the world championship was predicted and everyone expected it seeing how he performed this season. He deserves this title and congratulations to him. I hope that next season the racing can be even more exciting, because this season is quite boring.
And for Piastri and Lando, I see that these two young drivers have quite potential in fighting Max and RBR. Hopefully these two McLarens can provide interesting competition in the next season.

[swogerino]

And yeah Max won the title and for me, this is the most boring season I can remember.
I think in the last decade I've missed around 10 GP, 5 are from this season.

There is no competition.


BTw Piastri is a great driver.

It is not Max fault,honestly I don't remember more boring seasons since the era of Schumacher at Ferrari as they had absolutely no competition while in this actual season at least we have seen some sort of it,Ferrari won a race,McLaren won a sprint race,in those seasons of Ferrari dominance no other team could win a race and even the team mate Barrichello when were winning some races the order from the team came,let Schumacher pass,never seen more boring team orders than these.Schumacher was near being Champion and nothing would have changed if they let Barrichello pass.

As for Piastri I think we can all agree it is a great driver,coming here in the debut season and winning something.

[Distraction]

It was one of the really surprising starts this season. Hamilton wanted to overtake Russell from the outside at turn 1. However they touched and Hamilton was out of the race. Russell was criticized a lot for causing his teammate to be out at the beginning already. Russell was able to return to the race and he even finished in 4th place.

But Mercedes and Hamilton got a big hit by that poor incident. Maybe they could have been on podium with both of their drivers.

Sainz couldn't even race interestingly. It was another shock to me because he seemed really good until then. It was a good day for McLaren with two drivers on podium of course after all these incidents. 

[LTU_btc]

It was interesting race, despite all these penalties for track limits. That accident between Hamilton and Russel was completely Lewis fault. And it's a bit strange because this season it's more common that George is making huge mistakes. Perez performance was simply disgraceful today and he is just lucky that Riccardo got injury and Lawson isn't experienced enough to get seat in Red Bull.
Another awesome race for Mclaren with double podium and in constructors cup they're getting close to Aston Martin.
But damn, this race was so difficult phisically for drivers. I never saw before drivers trying to rest their hands on straights. Sargeant had even to retire and was barely able to get out of car by himself.

[coinlocket$]

Perez performance was simply disgraceful today and he is just lucky that Riccardo

The time for Perez is over, he never deserved an RBR, and he does not deserve it now for sure.

Riccardo will take his spot IMHO

[Spack17]

Perez is so done indeed. He gained only 3 positions in this whole race. It is really hard to believe when we consider the power of his car. Maybe he doesn't drive the same car with Verstappen probably. But it must still be faster than all other cars technically. I don't know what is going wrong on Perez side because of that. 

At the same time Perez must have still given what Red Bull wanted from him. Because he is still the second-placed driver in the standings. Hamilton's being out in this race prevented the gap with Perez from being closer. As long as Perez doesn't drop down from the 3rd place Red Bull might not think of replacing him yet.

[Captain Corporate]

I agree, but not like they are going to fire him on the middle of the season, they are going to look for another driver after the season is over. We still have plenty of races left, and could Perez make a comeback and keep his position? Maybe, if he ends up being the second (or even a few times first) this season and keeps that up for all the races that is left, I think he could still convince the team to keep him. However, we have seen him not do all that well so far, and I do not see a reason why he would get any better suddenly. The real question would be who to get instead of him, Daniel Ricciardo is a great driver but feels like he is way too old to become a second driver to them, I think a young talent, someone 24 or younger should be the point, that would allow them to get a talent that could give them at least a decade with them and would make more sense however there aren't that many of those available right now.

[Volgastallion]

Perez is so done indeed. He gained only 3 positions in this whole race. It is really hard to believe when we consider the power of his car. Maybe he doesn't drive the same car with Verstappen probably. But it must still be faster than all other cars technically. I don't know what is going wrong on Perez side because of that. 

At the same time Perez must have still given what Red Bull wanted from him. Because he is still the second-placed driver in the standings. Hamilton's being out in this race prevented the gap with Perez from being closer. As long as Perez doesn't drop down from the 3rd place Red Bull might not think of replacing him yet.

Yeah Perez is out i think, he cant do so many msitakes, i think he have his head in another thing (i dont know what). McClaren is gonna catch Aston martin so easily in the 4 position if they continues in this way, plus they have two drivers for fight and Aston MArtin only one......

[retreat]

I agree, but not like they are going to fire him on the middle of the season, they are going to look for another driver after the season is over. We still have plenty of races left, and could Perez make a comeback and keep his position? Maybe, if he ends up being the second (or even a few times first) this season and keeps that up for all the races that is left, I think he could still convince the team to keep him. However, we have seen him not do all that well so far, and I do not see a reason why he would get any better suddenly. The real question would be who to get instead of him, Daniel Ricciardo is a great driver but feels like he is way too old to become a second driver to them, I think a young talent, someone 24 or younger should be the point, that would allow them to get a talent that could give them at least a decade with them and would make more sense however there aren't that many of those available right now.

Perez can make a comeback on his performance or not at all(?), no one knows, but what is certain is that his seat is wanted by other drivers and the possibility that he will be replaced by RBR is very big if you see how RBR is quite firm in firing drivers even in the middle of the season. It's even possible that Perez could be in 3rd place if Hamilton can get a good place in the remaining races ahead and if that happens it might be a strong case for RBR to replace him.

[swogerino]

I agree, but not like they are going to fire him on the middle of the season, they are going to look for another driver after the season is over. We still have plenty of races left, and could Perez make a comeback and keep his position? Maybe, if he ends up being the second (or even a few times first) this season and keeps that up for all the races that is left, I think he could still convince the team to keep him. However, we have seen him not do all that well so far, and I do not see a reason why he would get any better suddenly. The real question would be who to get instead of him, Daniel Ricciardo is a great driver but feels like he is way too old to become a second driver to them, I think a young talent, someone 24 or younger should be the point, that would allow them to get a talent that could give them at least a decade with them and would make more sense however there aren't that many of those available right now.

Perez can make a comeback on his performance or not at all(?), no one knows, but what is certain is that his seat is wanted by other drivers and the possibility that he will be replaced by RBR is very big if you see how RBR is quite firm in firing drivers even in the middle of the season. It's even possible that Perez could be in 3rd place if Hamilton can get a good place in the remaining races ahead and if that happens it might be a strong case for RBR to replace him.

Perez did not get any point yesterday or it got only because of the penalty of Stroll don't remember well but what I know though is the same as everybody this guy is the most underachiever of all the time in F1.Even Barrichello at the time of Schumacher dominance was doing much better and collecting a lot more good positions overall than him,usually Barrichello used to come second while Perez used to do so but now is having a lot of difficulty to do just that,I don't know what happened to him as I only assume he may have family problems,I remember Hamilton having a bad season when he broke up with Nicole his girlfirend.

[Distraction]

Source: https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/1711085330374295864

Hamilton sent a tweet about the incident at the beginning of the race. He said that he watched the replay and accepted that it was fully his fault in fact. His apology to his team and Russell is valuable of course. Because probably due to the heat of the race he couldn't realize it and he said through the radio that he was taken out by his own teammate.

After watching it again I was also clear about it. Hamilton just pushed his luck too much from outside. He cost Mercedes really valuable points. 

Verstappen's ambition is really just something else. He announced his title in the sprint race already but he still continues to race the same without any relaxation.

[swogerino]

Source: https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/1711085330374295864

Hamilton sent a tweet about the incident at the beginning of the race. He said that he watched the replay and accepted that it was fully his fault in fact. His apology to his team and Russell is valuable of course. Because probably due to the heat of the race he couldn't realize it and he said through the radio that he was taken out by his own teammate.

After watching it again I was also clear about it. Hamilton just pushed his luck too much from outside. He cost Mercedes really valuable points. 

Verstappen's ambition is really just something else. He announced his title in the sprint race already but he still continues to race the same without any relaxation.

It was all over the Instagram pages of F1 and related F1 meme pages that pictures speaks a thousand words and they shared a picture of Hamilton hugging Russell and acknowledging his fault with a different message though and that was "it was a racing incident and I take full responsibility of it,after watching the replay many times I saw that George had nowhere to go so sorry".

Max was not racing without relaxation in fact he was relaxing all the race yesterday as many messages in the radio to him were telling him to step up on the gas pedal and to drive a bit faster,he only started listening to these messages on the last stage of the race where he got the fastest lap,he is just managing the races now.

[Volgastallion]

The Mercedes team surely was very pissed off after the crash between teammattes, more thinking that second position its not sealed in their favour and Ferrari is looking better in this last races, they are having the luck in their side with the rise of McClaren, because McClaren is taking a lot a of points but they are far away behind.

[Spack17]

It was a really disappointing race for Ferrari at the same time. Sainz couldn't even start the race and I was really shocked to see that. Because there wasn't any problem with engine until the race. Leclerc also couldn't create a big competition for podium either. But Ferrari were at least lucky about Mercedes' having a bad day at the same time.

Because currently these two teams are fighting each other hard for 2nd place. There is a gap like 28 points right now. There are still 5 more races so everything can change in this competition. I believe Ferrari have a potential to capture this position but let's see.

[FanEagle]

At this point I would say Red Bull could actually consider Yuki Tsunoda as their new second driver. It would be good because Daniel could end up being the first driver and then they could get someone else for the second driver there, someone very young. I do not know whose rights they have or who they can sign a contract with, but if they do it this year right away, that would benefit them like crazy for next season. Waiting for next season will be what they will do, but not what they should do.

In a world where they kick Perez out right now quickly and get Tsunoda, that would mean that they could just get some young driver to develop until next season, then they will end up checking what they can do with the situation during the off season. They could also try to go with Tsunoda staying and Daniel going to Red Bull, but that wouldn't look that good for this quick move, plus if Tsunoda is not good enough to replace Perez at this stage, why are they still giving him a spot anyway.

[Davian144]

This week the Mandalika Indonesia MotoGP will return and what is very unfortunate is that a rider named Marco Bezzecchi suffered an injury to his collarbone while training at the Motor Ranch in Tavullia. Hopefully he can go to Mandalika this week to race. Because when he had the accident he was immediately operated on by a team of doctors from the Orthopedic and Traumatology Unit of the University of Modena and Reggio Calabria in order to make an early confirmation whether or not to race in the remaining series this season.