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It has been a looooong time since we have seen a race without Max, and it was definitely a great one to show you that it is not actually that dominated by Max because of a better car, but because of the skill level he has. Perez is racing a Red Bull car too, and we have seen how he wasn't doing that great, for the past 2 years, how many times Perez came in second? Not many times to be fair.

This is why it is quite important to remember that if Max didn't race, as we can see from this game, we would still see others win, it is not like Mercedes Hamilton issue, if Hamilton failed then Bottas won, this one isn't like that, it's Max that dominates. In the end, Max was bound to have at least one problem, you can't just have zero reliability issues forever until you retire, and turns out, this one was the one.

If max had no problems, he would probably win again. But it was good to see that the F1 cars are also machines and can have problems. Max will probably win another 10 races after that. In russell's accident, I don't think it was alonso's fault, the 20-second penalty was not fair. Finally, I will add that I hope to see ricciardo retire from the tracks in the near future and that young people who deserve that seat can sit in the seat he occupies. Ferrari is by far the second fastest car on the grid so far. Frankly, Ferrari has been doing a good job since its collaboration with Frederick Vasseur. It gives a lot of hope for the future.

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What do you think about the panalty they given to Alonso?
Is his fault if Russell has crashed? If yes the penalty is even too light.

Not sure about its fault, he seems to slowed down, I'm pretty sure judges have seen the telemetry before giving the time penalty to him.

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What do you think about the panalty they given to Alonso?
Is his fault if Russell has crashed? If yes the penalty is even too light.

Not sure about its fault, he seems to slowed down, I'm pretty sure judges have seen the telemetry before giving the time penalty to him.

When that incident happened, I didn't think that Alonso was at fault for this incident, but when I saw the reply in slow motion, there Alonso braked twice, and caused Russell to be unable to control his car from behind because his position at that time was at high speed. Alonso was guilty of this and he deserved a penalty, but I felt that the penalty was still quite light considering how messy Russell's car was after the accident. The FIA should have given Alonso a heavier penalty.

[Koal-84]

Disaster in MotoGP.
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As expected, the ranking is dominated by Ducati and KTM.
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I don't see it the same way as you with a disaster, it was a very good race with a racing accident between Bagnaia and Marc, which doesn't have to happen but can.

Otherwise, it was a good race with a lot of bad luck for Vinales at the end, and good to see that three manufacturers can compete for the podium, at the beginning I thought it would be a Formula Ducati, very good.

In addition, a new star is rising at KTM with Acosta, KTM should definitely sign a long-term contract with Acosta for the next few years.

[Pulsar77]

Sainz is still the only driver who is able to break Verstappen and Red Bull's win streak. 



I started to think Ferrari shouldn't have decided to part ways with Sainz. Look at how ambitious he is now. He collected only a few points less than Leclerc last season. He did this although he had a slightly weaker car than Leclerc. They have agreed with a driver like Hamilton who has 7 titles achieved of course. But I hope they don't regret to pay a huge sum to him later on. 

The problem in Verstappen's car was worrying as the car started to burn shortly. Thankfully the fire didn't get much bigger. By the way the race wasn't very fun but we stil saw a different podium of course. Now Ferrari is right behind Red Bull in constructor and driver standings both.

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Sainz is still the only driver to win besides Max Verstappen and Perez after so many races that I forgot the number to be honest and this proves that Carlos is indeed an F1 gem that should find a GOOD TEAM asap for 2025 season because the hunger he will have for podiums this year will be top tier as long as his car and race strategist will allow him to because after all Charles is the Nr1 driver.

Charles is Ferrari's current poster boy. They will give that man the number 1 seat over Sainz who's continuously improving despite being shadowed by Charles at most times. He's a great driver that can go very aggressive against better teams, and I believe he will do even more if he's in a team with a better car as the number 1 driver.

There aren't a lot of many good teams with a good car that is better than Ferrari right now, and it'll be tough for them to choose Sainz over their boys even. I just kinda wish that the red guys will see Sainz more than a 2nd driver, as he's been very consistent for quite some time now while Leclerc is always struggling to get better placement not until Sainz comes in for help.

Uh no...  It's just the start of the season so let's stop the nonsense.  And if you look at the drivers' standings since Sainz transferred to Ferrari, Leclerc has out pointed Sainz two out of three seasons.  So saying that Ferrari give seat one to Sainz is lol and it would def be a cause for tension within the team.  As if there isn't enough tension already with Sainz given the boot in favor of Hamilton.  :/

Anyway can't wait for the next race in Suzuka.  That one is going to be good.

[Koal-84]

Sainz is still the only driver who is able to break Verstappen and Red Bull's win streak. 

I don't think it was a good decision by Ferrari to get Hamilton instead of Sainz (also not instead of Leclerc), the last few years were not the decisive things that had thrown Ferrari back, either the car was not at eye level or big mistakes were made in the pits/strategy. Of course, mistakes also come from the drivers who are under a lot of pressure, I would have been happier if Ferrari had continued with this driver pairing for another two years, because overall the whole team is better this year.

[FanEagle]

Max not being able to finish the race actually didn't made it so much more fun to be fair. Hamilton went away too, and the last crash of Russell was a horrible one, dude was quite scared if you heard the radio, he kept saying red flag over and over again so that everyone would slow down a lot, because yellow flag means they just slow down to delta, but red flag means that they end up slowing down to minimum pit stop levels, so a crash would be harder, but with yellow you are still racing just under delta levels and that means a crash would still be possible.

This is why I believe that he was actually quite scared, he was right at the middle of the road, and he was sideways, meaning that he could have gotten another car crash into him and could be dire. Thankfully, nothing bad happened.

[Pulsar77]

I don't think it was a good decision by Ferrari to get Hamilton instead of Sainz (also not instead of Leclerc), the last few years were not the decisive things that had thrown Ferrari back, either the car was not at eye level or big mistakes were made in the pits/strategy. Of course, mistakes also come from the drivers who are under a lot of pressure, I would have been happier if Ferrari had continued with this driver pairing for another two years, because overall the whole team is better this year.

Right? There wasn't any need to rush for that before the beginning of this season already. Ferrari should have waited and observed Sainz's performance during the season and then made their decision. Sainz is like he is showing what Ferrari will be missing after this decision.    If he wasn't a competitive driver then I wouldn't have found this change nonsensical.

It is believed that Hamilton wouldn't do his best if Ferrari doesn't give a fast and smooth car to him. Hamilton wants to be at a team where he can achieve his 8th championship. If Ferrari doesn't offer better conditions than Mercedes then they would go around in circles.

[joniboini]

Bagnaia and Marquez have thrown away a lot of points and what they have done good so far.

Marc suggests that the crash is Bagnaia's fault[1]. On the other hand, Bagnaia claims that the incident was just that, an incident, and not his fault[2]. Looks like there is no further clash between them though, so that's good. Some already write how Ducati needs to handle their relationship better just in case things like this happen again[3]. And oh boy, the comments are fiery. I believe finding who is at fault is not helping anybody, at least not publicly. If there is a problem Ducati should handle it privately IMO, making everything public will only attract nasty speculations and dumb comments.

[1] https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-says-portugal-motogp-clash-was-bagnaias-mistake/10591424/
[2] https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/03/24/motogp/bagnaia-the-accident-with-marquez-zero-points-and-not-my-fault.html
[3] https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-motogp-civil-war-threat-ducati-must-now-delicately-manage/10591785/

[Koal-84]

Right? There wasn't any need to rush for that before the beginning of this season already. Ferrari should have waited and observed Sainz's performance during the season and then made their decision. Sainz is like he is showing what Ferrari will be missing after this decision.    If he wasn't a competitive driver then I wouldn't have found this change nonsensical.

It is believed that Hamilton wouldn't do his best if Ferrari doesn't give a fast and smooth car to him. Hamilton wants to be at a team where he can achieve his 8th championship. If Ferrari doesn't offer better conditions than Mercedes then they would go around in circles.

I think Hamilton will be fully motivated, he was just looking for a new challenge, and somehow every Formula 1 driver wants to become world champion in Formula 1 with the traditional manufacturer Ferrari, the last one was Kimi a long time ago. I can understand Hamilton's decision, but not Ferrari's.

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Sainz is still the only driver who is able to break Verstappen and Red Bull's win streak. 

The second time is just a situation to "be in the right spot at the right time" after the car failure for Max.
It must also be said that much more is expected from Charles and that lately he is not that much superior to Sainz.

Are we sure that Ferrari was right to fire Carlos and hire Hamilton?

On a marketing level, certainly yes, on a sporting level I'm starting to have doubts given the performances of both drivers, it must also be said that it could only be a temporal good shape for the Ferrari driver and in bad shape for the Englishman.

[Distraction]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

[swogerino]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

I don't think Ferrari made a wrong move with signing Hamilton and having him on board for the 2025 season.No matter how much of a talented driver Sainz maybe he is nowhere near being 7 times world Champion and having the driving skills of Hamilton so in this matter Ferrari has made the right choice.If they manage to give a winning car or even near winning car to Hamilton then most likely we will see a very beautiful season for 2025.

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during an interview given by Toto Wolff we were able to learn about MErcedes' point of view on the driver situation for after Hamilton.

Toto said that Max is on the Mercedes shortlist and that sooner or later he will go to Mercedes.
If this were true it would imply a downgrading of Russel to second driver or it would open up the possibility of the driver being sold to other teams.

[FanEagle]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

I don't think Ferrari made a wrong move with signing Hamilton and having him on board for the 2025 season.No matter how much of a talented driver Sainz maybe he is nowhere near being 7 times world Champion and having the driving skills of Hamilton so in this matter Ferrari has made the right choice.If they manage to give a winning car or even near winning car to Hamilton then most likely we will see a very beautiful season for 2025.

I agree, Ferrari move wasn't one that was related to just talent, don't get me wrong Hamilton is talented enough, dude has the highest amount of championships along with the greatest racer in history. However, we need to remember that we are not talking about just talent here, we are talking about fame as well.

Hamilton is more famous than Sainz, we have to accept that and on top of that "everyone dreams of driving a Ferrari" story is coming to a full circle as well, because Vettel tried to beat Hamilton, and Hamilton won with Mercedes, but now even Hamilton who beat Ferrari, wants to join Ferrari, that type of story itself is selling the story. This is why I believe that we are going to end up seeing Hamilton preferred.

[Koal-84]

during an interview given by Toto Wolff we were able to learn about MErcedes' point of view on the driver situation for after Hamilton.

Toto said that Max is on the Mercedes shortlist and that sooner or later he will go to Mercedes.
If this were true it would imply a downgrading of Russel to second driver or it would open up the possibility of the driver being sold to other teams.

I heard this rumour with Verstappen and Mercedes in the Austrian news today, so there must be something to it, but whether Verstappen really wants to change, basically Hamilton has probably earned very well at Mercedes, so I could imagine that Max gets a very lucrative offer from Mercedes, another one from Mercedes' point of view, Sainz doesn't have a team yet either and would certainly be an option in my opinion.

[tokeweed]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so.  

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

Yeah I kinda agree but then again if your second driver's contract expires at the end of 2024 and then you hear the news that a better, famous driver is also available at the end of 2024, what should Ferrari do?  It was a no brainer call to swipe Hamilton real quick before another team gets him.  And it's also gonna be the same when Horner will be available.  They'll poach him so fast, no other team will be able to interview him.  And as I already said, where Horner goes Newey goes.  Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will be a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

Edit:  Typos.

[joniboini]

Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will he a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

How is their car though? My knowledge of F1 comes from a meme community and as far as I can see Ferrari had trouble with their car last year. I read some news saying things will be different this season[1], and the first impression looks solid as far as the racing result goes. Do you think the result is sustainable, or does track affect how their car will perform?

[1] https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13059824/ferrari-reveal-striking-new-2024-formula-1-car-the-sf-24-as-they-aim-to-improve-fortunes

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Too bad there was an accident between Marc and Pecco that made them crashed although March was still able to finish in 16th place
Bad luck for Vinales as well because he crashed in the last lap while he should be able to finish on 2nd position to make a good overall result on this 2nd race after he won the Sprint Race yesterday.
For the rookie Pedro Acosta, nothing else to say except "amazing" as he rides like nothing to lose and he does not care about who his competitors.
He can be said as the next "baby alien" or "baby alien reincarnation" LOL because his riding style looks similar to Marc when he was young.

Finishing in 16th position was a huge loss because in that position there were no points that Marquez could take, although this was also not bad for the team and sponsors because they seemed to appreciate the party even though they had fallen due to an accident in the race. I also feel sorry for Vinales because he had to fall because of a problem with his motorbike in the last lap and that really hurt him as a rider who was able to carry his Aprilia motorbike quite well since the race started. Apart from that, there is also a lot of praise for a rookie like Pedro Acosta because he can compete with senior riders who ride factory motorbikes. Meanwhile, he only has a satellite motorbike from KTM.