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[tokeweed]

^  Bottas giving it everything he’s got to protect Schumacher’s record and making sure that Hamilton will have one of the worst seasons in F1.    He’s making it harder for his team mate to win the championship than Verstappen.  Lol.

Ok since there’s an increasing number of people in the gambling section who rally watches F1 and bets on F1 instead of posting in here just for their sigs, let’s hear all your thoughts from a betting perspective.  I mean..  That’s what we’re all in here for right?    Or are we just bs’ing ourselves?

Personally, I don't bet much on F1. Sometimes I make H2H bets or bet on race winner. But it's not football or basketball, motorsport just isn't best sports.
I'm here more for discussions and it's great that we have people who are genuinely interested in F1 and we can have deeper discussion. Not like in most football threads :/.

What’s 10 bucks just to make the race more interesting?    If you win the bet then you can go bet 20 bucks on a football match.    Seriously tho..  There’s value to be had in these races.

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Since it was announced that he is going to be an Alfa Romeo driver as of the next season, he has collected more points than Hamilton and Verstappen.

Bottas : 51 pts
Verstappen : 36 pts
Hamilton : 35 pts

EZ game for him, this statistic is useless .

On time Hamilton and Verstappen collided for 0 points in the race for both.

And both of them got also a penalty with -20 position for Max and (for now) -10 for Hamilton.

[justdimin]

Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.

Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

I would say the same, except that Perez is still below his potential, Bottas has a benefit for Mercedes, he also continuously scores points for the Constructors' World Championship, Perez still has to improve. But I think he will, he gets along better and better with the car and will also score more and more continuously.

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.

At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

[AndySt]

Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.
Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

I would say the same, except that Perez is still below his potential, Bottas has a benefit for Mercedes, he also continuously scores points for the Constructors' World Championship, Perez still has to improve. But I think he will, he gets along better and better with the car and will also score more and more continuously.
Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.
At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

Of course, it may be silly to say after half a season, but maybe Perez still could not fully adapt to the design of the Red Bull car. There is an opinion that the design of the Red Bull car is quite specific to the conditions of Formula 1 and if Verstappen has already spent the sixth season in the team and has already adapted remarkably to the car and all changes for him are gradual, then Perez spends only the first season and did not come from the Red Bull system. Bottas is a good enough driver, which is sometimes shown by his wins and more frequent poles, but still, for all his qualities, he cannot claim the position of the first number of the team, which Hamilton is always, especially if we recall the conditions of his arrival at Mercedes. By the way, in Alfa Romeo, Bottas may well be number one given his experience, but a lot depends on the figure of his partner.

[Cnut237]

Since it was announced that he is going to be an Alfa Romeo driver as of the next season, he has collected more points than Hamilton and Verstappen.

Bottas : 51 pts
Verstappen : 36 pts
Hamilton : 35 pts

EZ game for him, this statistic is useless .

On time Hamilton and Verstappen collided for 0 points in the race for both.

And both of them got also a penalty with -20 position for Max and (for now) -10 for Hamilton.

That's exactly what I was going to say!

[DIA7]

Perez is doing what Bottas should do when Hamilton is leading, make opponents lose time for overtaking.
He is a good second drive for Redbull.

Bottas is almost useless and it's years I'm saying it.

I would say the same, except that Perez is still below his potential, Bottas has a benefit for Mercedes, he also continuously scores points for the Constructors' World Championship, Perez still has to improve. But I think he will, he gets along better and better with the car and will also score more and more continuously.

Bottas will fade into obscurity at Alfa, how long did Bottas get a contract, after that will be the end of career.

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.

At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

The number one problem for Perez is that his usually underperformed in Q3 so he starts far behind the top and cannot offer the assistance to Verstappen also he was unlucky on some races as RedBull strategy most of the time is not helping him, as he dropped points one time so that Hamilton doesn't get extra points from fast lap so he pitted and took it from him but it costs him losing points from the race.
I think both Bottas and Perez are helping their own team but Bittas is also benefitting from qualifying high and getting more points for the Constructors championship.

[Koal-84]

Since it was announced that he is going to be an Alfa Romeo driver as of the next season, he has collected more points than Hamilton and Verstappen.

Bottas : 51 pts
Verstappen : 36 pts
Hamilton : 35 pts

EZ game for him, this statistic is useless .

On time Hamilton and Verstappen collided for 0 points in the race for both.

And both of them got also a penalty with -20 position for Max and (for now) -10 for Hamilton.

I would see it the same way, there were penalty's and Verstappen has bad luck with the tires several times this year or he was shot out.

Bottas drives now certainly liberated that is of course also correct but for the title he has never really fought, not this year and also not in the past year a good midfield driver (wingman) no more and no less, next year the wind will turn for Hamilton in his own team by Russell.

[CryptoBuds]

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.
At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

The number one problem for Perez is that his usually underperformed in Q3 so he starts far behind the top and cannot offer the assistance to Verstappen also he was unlucky on some races as RedBull strategy most of the time is not helping him, as he dropped points one time so that Hamilton doesn't get extra points from fast lap so he pitted and took it from him but it costs him losing points from the race.
I think both Bottas and Perez are helping their own team but Bittas is also benefitting from qualifying high and getting more points for the Constructors championship.

^ I think that if Perez could be a bit more consistent, Verstappen would have done better than he is doing right now. Not that Max is doing bad right now, but there is always room for improvement. Bottas has to be one of the best wingmen in F1. He himself is a very good driver and supports Hamilton very good. But I'm afraid he might lose some of his sharpness when he switches to Alfa Romeo as Mercedes clearly has a better car than them. But I knew that the track favored Mercedes a bit but never expected Bottas would win it with a big margin from the 2nd placed Verstappen.

[el kaka22]

I do not think that Bottas is suddenly better racer just because he is no longer contractually obligated to follow orders. If he was still looking for that contract then he may have listen to the team but he is no longer at Mercedes starting from next year.

I believe he got so much points thanks to last race, he came in first and before this race he wasn't really great at Sochi neither, so I believe he is doing fine but not for a long time. He will be doing a lot worse in the upcoming races, even if he doesn't listen to team orders, he will not be doing great. It just means that Bottas had few good races which he always had anyway, and I believe he will go back to being boring once again.

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So during the last winter, we had only 3-4 days of tests for saving money.

Now they are talking about going back to the old schedule with 4+4 days for a total of 8 days in 2 weeks.

We will know more tomorrow.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-proposte-otto-giornate-test-invernali-2022-catalogna-bahrein-calendario-588711.html

[DIA7]

I agree that Bottas is definitely better than Perez, this is obvious on drivers' standings as well but also it is obvious from the very last race as well. Mercedes seems to find some more speed, even Bottas managed to keep Max behind which wasn't something I expected to be fair.
At the end of the day Perez missed so many chances to be there, whereas Bottas always uses his chances and gains points. Dude may not be the best driver in the world, and he is racing in a wonderful car, but he also managed to come in second so many years behind Hamilton as well, that should show you that he has been a good teammate to Hamilton even if not a great driver himself. Where is perez? Dude is so much behind Max, if you want a good teammate, then that teammate should be around you, this is why Bottas has been great but he is now 30+ years old and since they can't fire Hamilton, they needed to send Bottas away to get a younger blood.

The number one problem for Perez is that his usually underperformed in Q3 so he starts far behind the top and cannot offer the assistance to Verstappen also he was unlucky on some races as RedBull strategy most of the time is not helping him, as he dropped points one time so that Hamilton doesn't get extra points from fast lap so he pitted and took it from him but it costs him losing points from the race.
I think both Bottas and Perez are helping their own team but Bittas is also benefitting from qualifying high and getting more points for the Constructors championship.

^ I think that if Perez could be a bit more consistent, Verstappen would have done better than he is doing right now. Not that Max is doing bad right now, but there is always room for improvement. Bottas has to be one of the best wingmen in F1. He himself is a very good driver and supports Hamilton very good. But I'm afraid he might lose some of his sharpness when he switches to Alfa Romeo as Mercedes clearly has a better car than them. But I knew that the track favored Mercedes a bit but never expected Bottas would win it with a big margin from the 2nd placed Verstappen.

Bottas winning in Turkey came as a bit of surprise but it was not a long shot because he performed well in qualifying and Verstappen was not feeling that the car was well optimized for this GP and that's made him not making it to Bottas.
And this time there have been questions raised by RedBull over the speed that Mercedes have as they are saying they are not on DRS but fast enough to the speed reached with  DRS going on straights despite that Lewis Hamilton had a big wing at the back his speed in long runs have not been matched by RB cars recently.

[Koal-84]

So during the last winter, we had only 3-4 days of tests for saving money.

Now they are talking about going back to the old schedule with 4+4 days for a total of 8 days in 2 weeks.

We will know more tomorrow.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-proposte-otto-giornate-test-invernali-2022-catalogna-bahrein-calendario-588711.html

A few days of testing with the new tire regulations will certainly not hurt the teams even if it costs a little more.

This weekend will be en boring for motorsport friends, no MotoGP and also no Formula 1 this weekend. And next weekend is again both at once, you have to understand, but it is so. MotoGP moves from the USA to Europe and in Formula 1 it is the other way around, in the Moto GP it is not understandable to fly across the Atlantic just because of one race, there were big mistakes made in the planning, ok there are also overseas races canceled.

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We have the official calendar for 2022 with 23 races.


Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-ufficializzato-il-calendario-2022-imola-monza-bahrain-abu-dhabi-588987.html

New race: MIAMI USA




Source: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/miami-presentato-un-nuovo-layout-per-il-gp-di-formula-1/4668793/

[LTU_btc]

^^
I think we still may see some changes in calendar because of covid. It's still kinda strange that opening round will be not in Australia and I still haven't changed opinion that final race should be in Brazil, not completely boring Abu Dhabi.
Again, no China in calendar, but good to see return of Canada and Japan. New race in Miami car parking probably will be another boring city track. But it's good that in 2022 it will be last race in Sochi track, in 2023 they will move to Igora Drive track

[Iranus]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

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^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.

Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

[blue Snow]

Congrats to Marquez, he did again, and welcome back. He found a way, 3 circuits left after the finish, with this performance I'm sure he will be got the championship for the next year.

While Quartararo, just a little bit to locked the title, he must be a winner on Misano circuit on Italy Next to do that. Bagnaian still has a chance but it's hard if he got at all race, his point 277. And Quartarao Point now is 254, he only needs a top 10 race on 3 circuits left to locked Champions.

[Koal-84]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.

Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

[Iranus]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.
Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

That is true. I also enjoy the races held in Canada,  overall I love the environment. Don't know why you don't like the Japanese one but people have different choices and that's fine. I think them expanding F1 to newer areas and increasing the races is good for everyone in general. The fans have more races to enjoy and the racers even might get paid more.

[Luzin]

Congrats to Marquez, he did again, and welcome back. He found a way, 3 circuits left after the finish, with this performance I'm sure he will be got the championship for the next year.

While Quartararo, just a little bit to locked the title, he must be a winner on Misano circuit on Italy Next to do that. Bagnaian still has a chance but it's hard if he got at all race, his point 277. And Quartarao Point now is 254, he only needs a top 10 race on 3 circuits left to locked Champions.

~snip~

It is certain that Quartararo will be world champion this season. Even though Bagnaia's chances are still big, I'm sure Quartararo will look safe for the world champion even though he hasn't been able to have it in this weekend's race at Misano. If that happens then the world championship record returns to Yamaha after 6 years. 2015 was Yamaha's year because they won the world MotoGP with Jorge Lorenzo.

About Marquez, his potential for next season is still very big. Perhaps the competitors should be wary, he began to rediscover the contributing factors that made him look great. I'm not surprised because he's still relatively young, and I've said that before.