Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[jaberwock]

I don't understand why people talk so much about Sebastian Vettel's name as a possible replacement for Hamilton.
I honestly can't believe that Hammilton will leave F1 despite the problems that occurred last season, but if that is the case, my bets on a replacement go to Pierre Gasly, one of the highlights of Formula 1 in recent years and, whenever he can, reveals dissatisfaction with Red Bull for leaving him at AlphaTauri, or Esteban Ocon, who has had a connection with Mercedes since the middle of the last decade.

That is mainly because most of the people who got into this sport are around my age or older, sure there are newer and younger generations these days but the 30+ or even 40+ year olds that watch it are a big demographic of it. Which means they have seen Schumacher race, and that was with Ferrari mostly.

So, when Vettel got that many championships with Red Bull and switched to Ferrari later on, they saw him as the next coming, and that is why they loved him, plus he was the first one to actually test Hamilton as well, with a car that is nearly 0.5+ seconds faster, Hamilton managed to get the title but Vettel made it closer than it should be.

Hence, we all love Vettel and if Hamilton leaves, then seeing Vettel in the best possible car would be lovely thing to do. Combine that with the fact that he is driving a car that is beneath his talents, everyone wants to see him race in a great car before he retires.

[AakZaki]

There had been rumors about the cancellation of the pre-season test for MotoGP at the Sepang circuit due to the Covid-19 pandemic, but today I read the news that the pre-season test schedule will take place as usual.
~snip~

It seems like in my country the new variant has started to spread, but this is not as much as the first time. If this is cancelled of course I am sad, I hope the test and the race will continue. Because of this maybe I'm going to race in my country, in Mandalika.  After being used in the WSBK event last year, I think Mandalika is ready to host this year's Moto GP. Although there is bad news about some employees who are on duty during wsbk but they have overcome it. I don't think there will be any problems that let the riders, the team and Dorna down. Indeed, currently through local media phak circuit managers still continue to add existing facilities to meet international circuit standards that have been issued by Dorna. There is still about a month more, I think Mandalika will be ready to host MotoGP.

[redsun114]

I just realized that F1 is the type of "sport" that people do not talk about in the sports world. I know that we are used to seeing sports being done by people and only people, so when a machine gets in the way everyone talks about how it is a "racing" thing and not a sports thing but I feel like it is still sports. I mean these drivers lose so much weight every single time they go out there, we all remember many times when the water was not given because of some malfunction to many racers and they almost passed out from sweating and losing weight and no water.

So, these are athletes as well, and they are doing a sport, just because it was a race and they had a machine doesn't mean they are not athletes. This stigma should be broken, they are the best at what they do in the entire world, and they should be considered highly regarded just like football or basketball players.

[coinlocket$]

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

Well, the engine progress is stopped until 2025/2026 so in the end, Honda needs only to press buttons on the CNC machine to get the work done.

However Redbull and other teams can work on upgrading the electrical engine part.

[Distraction]

I'm contented with hearing that Honda will continue to build engines for the Red Bull F1 team. This is very important for Red Bull because they must be quite happy about Honda's engines so far. Verstappen won a title by the car that Honda's engine was installed in. Since this partnership, Red Bull have been very powerful in F1 and they have become the number one rival of Mercedes. Thanks to this situation, we watched a superb and competitive season. I think that Red Bull will be powerful in the coming season also.

[Captain Corporate]

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

Well, the engine progress is stopped until 2025/2026 so in the end, Honda needs only to press buttons on the CNC machine to get the work done.

However Redbull and other teams can work on upgrading the electrical engine part.

 I feel like that won't be the case. If they are coming back until 2025 and there is another upgrade on the engine that they could do, then they will probably do it as well. I am not saying that they will put in a ton of cash into building a better one, but if the only thing they will do is press the CNC machine's buttons then red bull could have done that without the need of Honda anyway, so if they came back then there must be some other reason that would be logical for them to comeback. That is all the simplest thinking really, just the fact that "if they won't improve it, then they are not needed but if they came back then they are needed so they must be improving" that's literally all that I can think of and it sounds enough.

[LTU_btc]

I just realized that F1 is the type of "sport" that people do not talk about in the sports world. I know that we are used to seeing sports being done by people and only people, so when a machine gets in the way everyone talks about how it is a "racing" thing and not a sports thing but I feel like it is still sports. I mean these drivers lose so much weight every single time they go out there, we all remember many times when the water was not given because of some malfunction to many racers and they almost passed out from sweating and losing weight and no water.

So, these are athletes as well, and they are doing a sport, just because it was a race and they had a machine doesn't mean they are not athletes. This stigma should be broken, they are the best at what they do in the entire world, and they should be considered highly regarded just like football or basketball players.

When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head . You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.

[Republikcoin.com]

I think Ducati will be the favourites for next season. Their performance was outstanding last season. Imagine there are 3 ducati riders in the top five final class of the race. I was very surprised, the ducati bike set-up seemed to be developed for all. It looks very different in Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda riders. There are some riders who dominate, so it looks very different on the stingan of their bike. Because it looks like they put their star drivers first. It's just my opinion, I don't see the truth but it's very visible in the race.

Maybe what you say is also true, because from the data it has been seen that Ducati develops all motorbikes for all riders according to their own wishes because Ducati riders also know that Ducati motorbikes have more power than other manufacturers such as Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda.

That's also correct but the last years Ducati also improve the handling and have the strongest engine, so with Mord performance from the in-liners i think Ducati is the fast bike 2022 and Bagnaia is a very very good driver.

For this season Bagnaia will adapt himself to the new Ducati bike and will try to be consistent from the start of the season because considering Marquez has been back in racing from the start of this season and will also try to fight until the end of the season.

I don't really understand the Yamaha bike engine but I see that. Yamaha lost a lot on the straight track. If they don't clean up soon maybe they will be difficult to compete in the next year. I think if the combination is fast in the corners and the straights it will be incredible. But it seems like it's just a dream, the Racers will have to work very hard if it comes true.  But it's certainly interesting. Ducati may have come a long way, they should be the favourites for next season's championship.

It's the same with Suzuki where they also lag behind on the straights, but when it comes to tilts or corners, the Suzuki engine performs better than all other manufacturers.
So it's clear that what Yamaha and Suzuki need to improve here is the engine power on a straight track, that's the only problem and I think the riders can definitely adapt themselves to the character of the new engine.

[redsun114]

When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head . You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.

Because they are in a machine and you do not see them physically do the work all that much, people do not realize any of this. Hell even getting that much g force during braking without doing anything else, literally just sit down and let some system give you the g force these drivers are getting while you are simply just watching in front of your TV and people would understand the difficulty of it.

However since Messi scores goals and they see it, or Lebron jumps really hard or Tyson punched really hard etc etc, people "saw" these players be in sports, because you do not see the drivers themselves and only like a small part of their helmet during the race, people do not realize how hard it is to their body. This is not just about talent and mental power or whatever, it is also very much about your body as well, you can't be just super talented and amazing but with a horrible fat body and still be good, impossible.

[laurenB7742]

When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head . You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.

Because they are in a machine and you do not see them physically do the work all that much, people do not realize any of this. Hell even getting that much g force during braking without doing anything else, literally just sit down and let some system give you the g force these drivers are getting while you are simply just watching in front of your TV and people would understand the difficulty of it.

However since Messi scores goals and they see it, or Lebron jumps really hard or Tyson punched really hard etc etc, people "saw" these players be in sports, because you do not see the drivers themselves and only like a small part of their helmet during the race, people do not realize how hard it is to their body. This is not just about talent and mental power or whatever, it is also very much about your body as well, you can't be just super talented and amazing but with a horrible fat body and still be good, impossible.

Yes, I agree. Just the fact that they just 'sit and drive' doesn't mean it's easy for them. In order to be among the very best drivers in the world, they also need to maintain healthy fitness.

As you said, fitness or physical endurance is visible to the fans of other sports like football or basketball, but it's not very visible to the viewers of F1. It feels like they are just 'driving'. But you know, the force while turning corners or while braking is real and it affects the body a lot.

[Juggy777]

When I read your post, I literally hear that Kimi team radio about drink in my head . You're right, F1 and racing series drivers should be physically fit. It's not only about losing weight. They also experience so much G force during braking, going trough corners or during crash. What if you will put someoneinto the car who isn't read for it and they may be some very bad consequences.

Because they are in a machine and you do not see them physically do the work all that much, people do not realize any of this. Hell even getting that much g force during braking without doing anything else, literally just sit down and let some system give you the g force these drivers are getting while you are simply just watching in front of your TV and people would understand the difficulty of it.

However since Messi scores goals and they see it, or Lebron jumps really hard or Tyson punched really hard etc etc, people "saw" these players be in sports, because you do not see the drivers themselves and only like a small part of their helmet during the race, people do not realize how hard it is to their body. This is not just about talent and mental power or whatever, it is also very much about your body as well, you can't be just super talented and amazing but with a horrible fat body and still be good, impossible.

Yes, I agree. Just the fact that they just 'sit and drive' doesn't mean it's easy for them. In order to be among the very best drivers in the world, they also need to maintain healthy fitness.

As you said, fitness or physical endurance is visible to the fans of other sports like football or basketball, but it's not very visible to the viewers of F1. It feels like they are just 'driving'. But you know, the force while turning corners or while braking is real and it affects the body a lot.

I totally agree with you’ll that F1 drivers have to be sharp, plus they need to be mentally ready knowing that a car may just crash into them, and that one cannot feel when he’s watching the race. Furthermore being physically fit can help them deal with the pressure of racing, hence physical fitness of F1 drivers is very important even if viewers can’t understand it’s importance while viewing the race.

[Republikcoin.com]

After independent teams like Pramac Racing who still use Ducati engines launched their Livery for this season which was yesterday to be exact.

Now for tomorrow it's the turn of the Yamahan Factory Racing team and also the Suzuki Ecstar team who will soon launch their Livery this season, so at first glance, do you think they will both get a slight change in color or will it be exactly the same as last year?
Please predict my friends

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[Luzin]

Now for tomorrow it's the turn of the Yamahan Factory Racing team and also the Suzuki Ecstar team who will soon launch their Livery this season, so at first glance, do you think they will both get a slight change in color or will it be exactly the same as last year?
Please predict my friends

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I think they will still equal the dominance of light blue. Yamaha is still in dark blue and a black combination with main sponsor Monster Energy.
Actually I don't really care about the livery color of the bike, I'm happy with the performance of their bike although I have my own favorite color. 

Right now I can't wait for the race because it's been a long time. Ducati, Yamaha, Zuzuki and Honda then there's Aprillia, it might be a lot of surprises but last year's Ducati performance certainly made them favourites this year.

[redsun114]

Obviously I talked about this in the wrong place I mean of course you guys are going to agree with me, this is basically the most common talking point in F1. However, the outside world do not thinks about this as the same thing.

I have talked with friends and most of them thinks this is something you do with your brain and your talents and that's it, sure of course body matters a bit, like you can't be out of shape fat person but you do not have to be physically as fit as football or basketball players. That's not true, the amount of g force these guys get every single race and the amount of weight they lose every single race is the proof that they are forcing their own body to limits every single time.

[coinlocket$]

Ferrari is ready.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1489285482555002886



Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.

[Republikcoin.com]

I think they will still equal the dominance of light blue. Yamaha is still in dark blue and a black combination with main sponsor Monster Energy.
Actually I don't really care about the livery color of the bike, I'm happy with the performance of their bike although I have my own favorite color. 

Oh it's amazing if you also have your own favorite color in MotoGP, and if I may ask what color it is and in which team? because there are already several teams that have launched their livery for this season now.

Right now I can't wait for the race because it's been a long time. Ducati, Yamaha, Zuzuki and Honda then there's Aprillia, it might be a lot of surprises but last year's Ducati performance certainly made them favourites this year.

It's clear because the benchmark for the highest performance last year was on Ducati, although the Ducati Handling section was still a bit poor compared to Suzuki, but for this year, Ducati's competitors will also make new, improved performances even though Ducati also doesn't stay silent about this because still trying to become World champion as their main target.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah Mercedes to be the favorite to win both championships is really expected.  But Ferrari having the car to go for second, not too sure with RBR def having the chance to compete for first.  I mean if it’s either Mercedes or Red Bull that go win the whole thing it means Ferrari just goes for third at best.  But the gap between who ever’s third and Merc - RBR could be way smaller because of the new specs.  So we’ll see...  I’m hoping for an interesting and surprising season...  With a twist.  But that’s too much to ask.  Lol.

 Honestly, considering the fact that it was closer between RBR and Mercedes this year, and considering there will be new cars coming up next season if something unexpected happens, then this is the season for it. We still do not know what will happen, maybe Mercedes will still dominate because they have the engine for it and the engine is a major part of the deal, we all remember how Hamilton did when he had a small change in his engine, dude went from 20th to 1st in a weekend thanks to it. So I do not know if I would expect Mercedes to be worse. But with the new cars, we could expect others to get better and that could make things more interesting.

Maybe...  We’ll see.  All cars are starting their designs from scratch.  Gone are the days when some teams were using designs from the bigger teams of seasons prior.  Like Aston Martin’s 2021 car was a clone of Mercedes’ car of 2020 or was it 2019.  But you get the point.  This coming season everything is from scratch.  So if anything I think Red Bull could have the advantage.  They got the best car designer and engineer in Adrian Newey.

Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.

I fear it could be Vettel’s last season at Aston Martin.  There are rumors swirling around that there would be up to 11 seats available after this season.  So Vettel could prolly take one of those seats.  Crossing my fingers for Williams.  I think they’re on the up with the new specs.

[SquallLeonhart]

Ferrari is ready.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1489285482555002886

Meanwhile, Aston Martin is rumored to have a different style of his car and probably they did a wrong car.

I can't wait to see the cars. Most of them will be this month and that is a good enough reason to actually try to start predicting stuff. I know that it would be WAY too early, but we would at least know who cared and who didn't. Like just to give an example you would know Haas didn't care about their car by just looking at it, or you would know Red Bull cared a lot by just looking at it.

Then we will have the test sessions, which is still too early, hell even first one or two races are usually not enough to predict anything but you would know some stuff. So this is basically just something that we could consider as "it is getting closer" and that's fine by me.

[coinlocket$]

The 1st car is here and it is a Haas.



Source: https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1489554296995733505/photo/1

Looks pretty cool and they should using the most used configuration, need to see Aston Martin see a completely different idea.

[LTU_btc]

Haas design looks pretty much same like previous season. But I think it was difficult to expect something more from them. Russian flag in livery - how unexpected . I'm waiting for Alpine to show their car - last season they had most beautiful car.

Then we will have the test sessions, which is still too early, hell even first one or two races are usually not enough to predict anything but you would know some stuff. So this is basically just something that we could consider as "it is getting closer" and that's fine by me.

I read that there won't be much data from Barcelona tests. There won't be TV coverage, spectators and journalists in track, probably no live timing too. Only tests in Bahrain will be more public.