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[justdimin]

That's kind of the problem though, it shows the dominance of the car when he got his championships. You could say the same with MSC and Hamilton, except they both won championships in another car. And were very competitive even with lesser cars. Vettel, less so.

Hamilton has literally just 1 championship with not a dominating car and that was a season I will give you that he was decent. Not that he dominated, he was just 1 point ahead of Massa who had 1 more retired as well as some issues, to be fair everyone had more retired and issued cars compared to Hamilton that season even if we can't say he was the fastest car, if his teammate didn't get 3 retired races and some issues, I am pretty sure Kova would be closer as well.

Schumi was a great, I am not arguing against that, but Hamilton certainly is closer to Vettel in my mind. If we are saying vettel only won thanks to dominating car, then we can say Hamilton has only 1 championship with mclaren and all others are worthless, is that okay to say? I would say Schumi is great, Hamilton is great, and Vettel is great, we do not have to bring someone down to say other one is great.

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[Jackl87]

That's kind of the problem though, it shows the dominance of the car when he got his championships. You could say the same with MSC and Hamilton, except they both won championships in another car. And were very competitive even with lesser cars. Vettel, less so.

Hamilton has literally just 1 championship with not a dominating car and that was a season I will give you that he was decent. Not that he dominated, he was just 1 point ahead of Massa who had 1 more retired as well as some issues, to be fair everyone had more retired and issued cars compared to Hamilton that season even if we can't say he was the fastest car, if his teammate didn't get 3 retired races and some issues, I am pretty sure Kova would be closer as well.

Schumi was a great, I am not arguing against that, but Hamilton certainly is closer to Vettel in my mind. If we are saying vettel only won thanks to dominating car, then we can say Hamilton has only 1 championship with mclaren and all others are worthless, is that okay to say? I would say Schumi is great, Hamilton is great, and Vettel is great, we do not have to bring someone down to say other one is great.

I also think that we do not need to belittle the achievements of other drivers just to elevate our personal driver above them. If you are looking through twitter and through the comments on Youtube then there are always fights and arguments going on between the fans of Schumacher, Hamilton and Senna. For a lot of people Senna is still the greatest of all time even though he won the championship "only" 3 times. I also think that you can not say that Hamilton is the best of all time just because he had the most championships, i mean in the end the car is still the most important factor in the formula 1 and to determine which driver is really the best they all had to drive in the same car.

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Livery Prediction @rnfracingofficial 2022 ! Now, this is the Team Launch for January 24th, Gesss! &

Livery Prediction @gresiniracing 2022 ! Don't forget the 15th Gess!

This is just an estimate and could be wrong because this is only a prediction from some people who like to design images before they are actually launched

Source: https://www.instagram.com/gpnews.ig/

[CryptoBuds]

That's kind of the problem though, it shows the dominance of the car when he got his championships. You could say the same with MSC and Hamilton, except they both won championships in another car. And were very competitive even with lesser cars. Vettel, less so.

Hamilton has literally just 1 championship with not a dominating car and that was a season I will give you that he was decent. Not that he dominated, he was just 1 point ahead of Massa who had 1 more retired as well as some issues, to be fair everyone had more retired and issued cars compared to Hamilton that season even if we can't say he was the fastest car, if his teammate didn't get 3 retired races and some issues, I am pretty sure Kova would be closer as well.

Schumi was a great, I am not arguing against that, but Hamilton certainly is closer to Vettel in my mind. If we are saying vettel only won thanks to dominating car, then we can say Hamilton has only 1 championship with mclaren and all others are worthless, is that okay to say? I would say Schumi is great, Hamilton is great, and Vettel is great, we do not have to bring someone down to say other one is great.

I also think that we do not need to belittle the achievements of other drivers just to elevate our personal driver above them. If you are looking through twitter and through the comments on Youtube then there are always fights and arguments going on between the fans of Schumacher, Hamilton and Senna. For a lot of people Senna is still the greatest of all time even though he won the championship "only" 3 times. I also think that you can not say that Hamilton is the best of all time just because he had the most championships, i mean in the end the car is still the most important factor in the formula 1 and to determine which driver is really the best they all had to drive in the same car.

^ You are right. A lot of variables come into play while determining the best driver. An important variable, in that case, is the car itself and also his opponents.
Maybe if Hamilton drove 30 years back, he wouldn't win this many titles (just saying). This is a reason why I'm a fan of all the drivers having the same car. In this way, the better driver is rewarded.

But for example, if we give the Merc car to Vettel or someone like that, they will surely get good results there's no denying that. I'm not saying that Vettel is a bad driver but I'm all in for having the same car for everyone.

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We have some rendering for next year, not official but should be very close to the reality.

Enjoy.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/2022-i-teaser-pubblicati-sui-social-dalla-f1-foto-mercedes-aston-martin-mclaren-redbull-600761.html

[alegotardo]

But for example, if we give the Merc car to Vettel or someone like that, they will surely get good results there's no denying that. I'm not saying that Vettel is a bad driver but I'm all in for having the same car for everyone.

I think F1 wouldn't be the same if all cars were the same.
Of course, we have many manufacturers who have cars at a much lower level than others.

However, it is also possible to see that in the best cars, each one has its characteristics that influence a lot in certain opportunities, but it does not make this or that better than the other.
A lot also depends on the circuit and even the weather during the race.

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After undergoing a medical examination with Dr Sánchez Dalmau last Monday to analyze his diplopia situation. And Dr Sanchez also confirmed a clear improvement with Marc Marquez's condition.

With this progress, Marquez got permission to ride a motorbike and as we know Marquez and his team agreed to choose Motocross to start training after a three month absence.

Will Marc be taking part in the Pre-season Test in Sepang, Malaysia (5-6 February 2022)

Source : Motogp.com
Source: https://www.instagram.com/gpindonesia.id/

[bounceback]

With this progress, Marquez got permission to ride a motorbike and as we know Marquez and his team agreed to choose Motocross to start training after a three month absence.

Will Marc be taking part in the Pre-season Test in Sepang, Malaysia (5-6 February 2022)

Marc Marquez's current condition seems to have improved so that makes me very sure Marquez will take part in the pre-season test which will take place soon at the Sepang Malaysia circuit and will also appear again for the 2022 Moto GP championship, as we know Marc Marquez is one of the racers who is thirsty for won the title and has a strong mentality so that he will do his best this season even though the injury has not fully recovered.

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Marc Marquez's current condition seems to have improved so that makes me very sure Marquez will take part in the pre-season test which will take place soon at the Sepang Malaysia circuit and will also appear again for the 2022 Moto GP championship, as we know Marc Marquez is one of the racers who is thirsty for won the title and has a strong mentality so that he will do his best this season even though the injury has not fully recovered.

Marquez's efforts in recovering from his injury are very good and also very good because he has been able to do warm-up exercises with his motorbike and also physically.
But don't forget that for this year there are many good riders who are also hungry to win and always want to be better than others and this is a new challenge for Marquez in terms of fighting many riders who are younger than him.

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@gresiniracing officially launched the motorbike for 2022 what do you think about the livery??

From 1-10 how much do you give for the livery @gresiniracing this 2022 season??

Personally, overall it's pretty good, although there are a few red lines that interfere with the color, and maybe that's also the default from the factory Ducati this time
The problem is that the Gresini team uses the Ducati GP21 spec which was used by the Ducati manufacturer itself last year.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/gpindonesia.id/

[CryptoBuds]

But for example, if we give the Merc car to Vettel or someone like that, they will surely get good results there's no denying that. I'm not saying that Vettel is a bad driver but I'm all in for having the same car for everyone.

I think F1 wouldn't be the same if all cars were the same.
Of course, we have many manufacturers who have cars at a much lower level than others.

However, it is also possible to see that in the best cars, each one has its characteristics that influence a lot in certain opportunities, but it does not make this or that better than the other.
A lot also depends on the circuit and even the weather during the race.

^ Yes, we have both pros and cons to both ideas - same cars and different cars. But I think what if F1 decides to have both types of races? 'Where the current one is still there and they add a new event or type where all the cars are same. That will truly give the better drivers their acknowledgment. I'm not saying that the current situation where there are different cars is a bad one, but what I'm saying is they can have another mode where the cars are the same.

[swogerino]

But for example, if we give the Merc car to Vettel or someone like that, they will surely get good results there's no denying that. I'm not saying that Vettel is a bad driver but I'm all in for having the same car for everyone.

I think F1 wouldn't be the same if all cars were the same.
Of course, we have many manufacturers who have cars at a much lower level than others.

However, it is also possible to see that in the best cars, each one has its characteristics that influence a lot in certain opportunities, but it does not make this or that better than the other.
A lot also depends on the circuit and even the weather during the race.

^ Yes, we have both pros and cons to both ideas - same cars and different cars. But I think what if F1 decides to have both types of races? 'Where the current one is still there and they add a new event or type where all the cars are same. That will truly give the better drivers their acknowledgment. I'm not saying that the current situation where there are different cars is a bad one, but what I'm saying is they can have another mode where the cars are the same.

I would be strongly in favor of such happening.Of course it would be catastrophic to have a Monaco F1 race with the same cars for some but for me would be really beautiful seeing all the drivers with an equal car during this really slow track.The best of where this can happen is in SPA in Belgium,I would love that really fast race with the same car for the drivers.I think it would add to the beauty of a F1 calendar if we held a couple of such events and also the driver will get better recognition and in the top cars any driver would have a chance to go if they show good skills during such events.

It may look impossible for this to happen but it would be very beautiful for us F1 fans.

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The calendar for next season is out:  https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/995354/1/all-f1-2022-dates-preseason-testing-calendar-and-car-launches

The 2022 season kicks off at Bahrain on March 20.  Preseason testing is on February 23 - 25 at Barcelona the another one at  Bahrain on March 10 - 12.  It’s happeniiing...    And Aston Martin is going to be the first team to show their car on February 10.  Can’t believe it’s just three weeks or so away.  Can’t wait!

And there’s going to be a race in Miami, Florida for the first time ever.  I’m not sure if it’s a street circuit or a real track.  Hopefully a street circuit.

[sana54210]

I think F1 wouldn't be the same if all cars were the same.
Of course, we have many manufacturers who have cars at a much lower level than others.

However, it is also possible to see that in the best cars, each one has its characteristics that influence a lot in certain opportunities, but it does not make this or that better than the other.
A lot also depends on the circuit and even the weather during the race.

We actually have that. It is called indycar and all cars are give or take the exact same if I am not wrong. Obviously you could have a lot better testing of the tires, or the angles of the wings and all sorts of small tweaks on your car, but all engines, all ers and drs and suspension and whatever else you can imagine is all the same. So, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having the same car for every driver.

However, there is also nothing wrong with having the better car neither, it makes the season a lot more entertaining to watch if you ask me. This is why I believe both of them are good, you could do it either way and as long as there is a close rivalry between drivers, then there is fun involved. The only time it is boring was when Hamilton just had a 100000+ seconds faster car and dominated a few years back, season usually ended like 500 races earlier each season, by like third race you see the difference and you knew he would get it.

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Yes it's true as you said, this season will probably be the toughest season for Marc Marquez because he has to compete with riders who are younger than him and also have the ability to compete on amazing tracks like Quartararo, Pecco Bagnaia and Jorge Martin, and all three are the best rookies last season and will certainly be a difficult competitor to beat by Marc Marquez.

The best rookie last season was Jorge Martin while Quartararo and Pecco Bagnaia are no longer rookies even though they are still very young and also have good talent, but for this season not only the three of them will be the marquez's toughest opponents, but there are also Joan Mir and Bastianini who have this season then also made a bit of a surprise even though he didn't win Rookie of the year.

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Before deciding to take part in the Sepang and Mandalika Tests in early February, the next step (after trying motocross) Marc will do a test with many laps using the RC213V-S or CBR1000R motorbike as he did before deciding to comeback after a long absence due to a humerus injury.
Usually Marc does it at the Catalunya Circuit.
But don't know when.
This step is taken to determine whether the diplopia problem has completely recovered or not, whether there is a problem or not when driving the motor at high speed.

A few days ago, I also read in one of the foreign media, it was reported that Stefan Bradl will also have a private test in Jerez on January 26-27. Still the same, Bradl is also in preparation for the tests at Sepang and Mandalika.

#ShakeDownTest : January 31 - February 2
#SepangTest : February 5-6
#MandalikaTest : February 11-13

Source: https://www.instagram.com/ipulsaepul93/

[Republikcoin.com]

The MotoGP championship this season seems very exciting to watch, even though this season we are no longer accompanied by one of the MotoGP legends, namely Vallentino Rossi (VR46) who has decided to retire, but we don't need to doubt that anymore because this season of course we will continue to be able to watch fierce duel between young riders while on the track, honestly I can't wait for the MotoGP race to be held soon.

Please be patient, mate, because there are many things that you have to see or pass, such as the launch of the livery for each team that will compete in this season, after that there will be a pre-season test that will be held at the Sepang circuit and then followed by another mandalika next month, so it's still ongoing there are many things to look forward to and this is very important to map the strength of each team before the race starts.

[CryptoBuds]

I would be strongly in favor of such happening.Of course it would be catastrophic to have a Monaco F1 race with the same cars for some but for me would be really beautiful seeing all the drivers with an equal car during this really slow track.The best of where this can happen is in SPA in Belgium,I would love that really fast race with the same car for the drivers.I think it would add to the beauty of a F1 calendar if we held a couple of such events and also the driver will get better recognition and in the top cars any driver would have a chance to go if they show good skills during such events.

It may look impossible for this to happen but it would be very beautiful for us F1 fans.

^ You are right. Having a new mode in F1 will also be a big refreshment for fans, organizations, and also the drivers in my opinion. Yes, there will be haters for a new mode but I think that it's worth a try. As we are not replacing the current mode, if things go south, the new mode could be shut down. But I really want that the better drivers to get rewarded for their driving skills rather than relying on their organization to make a better car.

[Koal-84]

What the Honda riders (except Marc Marquez) say about the new RC213V ahead of the first test rides. One focus was on the rear wheel grip, but it will be meaningful at the test rides in Sepang in 3 weeks. So far the Honda riders are happy and see progress, but also the other teams are probably making positive progress/development.

https://www.speedweek.com/amp/motogp/news/186943/Die-neue-RC213V-Das-sagen-die-Honda-Piloten.html

[tokeweed]

I would be strongly in favor of such happening.Of course it would be catastrophic to have a Monaco F1 race with the same cars for some but for me would be really beautiful seeing all the drivers with an equal car during this really slow track.The best of where this can happen is in SPA in Belgium,I would love that really fast race with the same car for the drivers.I think it would add to the beauty of a F1 calendar if we held a couple of such events and also the driver will get better recognition and in the top cars any driver would have a chance to go if they show good skills during such events.

It may look impossible for this to happen but it would be very beautiful for us F1 fans.

^ You are right. Having a new mode in F1 will also be a big refreshment for fans, organizations, and also the drivers in my opinion. Yes, there will be haters for a new mode but I think that it's worth a try. As we are not replacing the current mode, if things go south, the new mode could be shut down. But I really want that the better drivers to get rewarded for their driving skills rather than relying on their organization to make a better car.

What mode?  Lol.  It’s actually going to be dumb imho.  Imagine having no competition in car development and with only one car company monopolizing the construction of the cars every year.  In that world, Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Sainz, Norris and the rest of the field would all be driving a Ferrari.  

Anyway...  Sainz looks ready to take seat no. 1 at Ferrari.  Bad news for Leclerc.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/995374/1/sainz-100-ready-fight-2022-f1-title-ferrari