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[coinlocket$]

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race.  If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.

I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.

This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races...


We will see next year.

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[Juggy777]

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race.  If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.

I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.

This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races...


We will see next year.

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.

Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

[Davian144]

This is the best and most emotional race ever, Fabio's is Champion, Rossi's Farewell to the Italian fans, Honda 1st & 2nd, Bastianini podium, Aprilia 7th & 8th in Italy, Ducati double DNF

All of these events happened simultaneously in one day so it deserves to be said to be the most emotional, but of all these events the one that got the most response was "Rossi's Farewell to the Italian fans" because it was the last home race for him so he wanted to gift his beloved Helmet to the fans in the stands, the estimated price of the helmet can reach 130 thousand euros.

[laurenB7742]

Yep Perez is the perfect number 2 for Redbull, a not top-class driver who can't compete for Max and does everything the owner tell him to do.
He is doing great but he can't fight Max and this is boring for the sport.
I'm missing the 2016 with fight Rosberg Hamilton.
This year however is quite fun to watch since we have 2 winning cars, imagine the case where we have Red Bull dominating and Max winning 99% of races..
We will see next year.

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.
Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

I wouldn't say that Hamilton's winning era is finished but what's interesting is that Hamilton has got a very tough competition which is very good for the viewers. As before it felt like Hamilton wins every race he drives in. But now Max gives a tough competition to Hamilton. And I also agree with you. As long as Perez is helping Max give a challenge to Hamilton for the win, I'm all up for that.

[tokeweed]

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race.  If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

Lol.  Have you been following the whole season?  Perez has not been a very good support for Verstappen or a good second driver at Red Bull.  Look at most of his finishes. If he had finshed better at every race RBR should be ahead in the constructor championship or at least make it very close.

[DireWolfM14]

Congratulation Quartararo as MotoGP champions this year.

This is the first time French racer as MotoGP champion, this moment very excited, he makes a little party in Emilia Romana, all eyes on Quartararo even though he didn't get on the podium. I'm very deeply regretted Bagnaia, 3 laps left he got crashed, I don't know what happen, looks like he's daydreaming. this makes Marquez in the 2nd line have grown up to 1st position. But he can't change anything, Quartararo was locked his title for this year.

Really, this is the first time a French rider takes the championship?  Wow, that is a big deal.  Congrats to Fabio, he deserves it.  He's had a great season, and was obviously the better rider most of the season.  I say most because of the Repsol gorilla in the room.  Two races in a row Marquez takes a 4+ second lead and and the top spot on the podium.  It's looking like Marc is back to 100% of his former self.  If he can stay healthy the 2022 season is going to be his to lose.

Ducati is still leading the manufacturer's competition, but they're only 12 points ahead of Yamaha.  There's still a chance for Yamaha to take the lead, and secure both the rider and manufacturer's championship.  Should be a fun couple of races to finish out the season.

[Jackl87]

^^ @coinlocket$ & @tokeweed, I have mixed feelings about the decisions Mercedes took in regards to pitting. Maybe it was a good idea, maybe it was a bad idea I don't know. But what I can is that Bottas has not been very good in recent times, except for the time he won the race.  If you look at Red Bull, they have the perfect pair of drivers. Max pushing for the win while Perez has been very good support for him, holding down Hamilton or whoever comes trailing him. I have to give huge credit to Perez in these recent races as his good form has made it easier for Max to win the races.

To be honest i don't think you give Bottas enough credit here in comparison to Perez. I think that Bottas was extremely unlucky this whole season so far and still managed to win a race and achieve some nice results. Just look at the grand prix of monaco for example he was close to getting the pole their but then he had to cancel his last lap because of an accident and then in the race he was also on the track of winning this most prestigious grand prix of all and then somehow one of the the impact wrenches completely failed and he even had to retire the car. This is the first time i have seen this happen personally, so that really was extremely unlucky.

[AakZaki]

~snip~ no other yamaha rider managed to become world champion and of course Fabio Quartararo should be proud of the title because that way he also managed to make Yamaha end its degree fasting  this season.

Sad for Ducati and happy for Yamaha, yes this is a race with winners and losers. The title has been locked for Yamaha and Quartararo, and leaving only 2 MotoGP series. Next season looks like it will be more difficult for Yamaha, Marquez has started back and maybe he will be fit next season, then from Ducati they are of course a serious threat for next year. I also hope Quartararo doesn't sink like Joan Mir, after winning this year.

[Davian144]

Sad for Ducati and happy for Yamaha, yes this is a race with winners and losers. The title has been locked for Yamaha and Quartararo, and leaving only 2 MotoGP series. Next season looks like it will be more difficult for Yamaha, Marquez has started back and maybe he will be fit next season, then from Ducati they are of course a serious threat for next year. I also hope Quartararo doesn't sink like Joan Mir, after winning this year.

Don't worry mate, Quartararo won't just sink like Joan Mir this season, because Quartararo has a different mentality and Yamaha has confirmed to give Quartararo a better bike next season.

Oh yes, there is a bit of good news that along with covid-19 which has started to run out in several countries in Europe, MotoGP will re-implement Paddock Girl at the Algarve series in Portugal next week.
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Sad for Ducati and happy for Yamaha, yes this is a race with winners and losers. The title has been locked for Yamaha and Quartararo, and leaving only 2 MotoGP series. Next season looks like it will be more difficult for Yamaha, Marquez has started back and maybe he will be fit next season, then from Ducati they are of course a serious threat for next year. I also hope Quartararo doesn't sink like Joan Mir, after winning this year.

Don't worry mate, Quartararo won't just sink like Joan Mir this season, because Quartararo has a different mentality and Yamaha has confirmed to give Quartararo a better bike next season.

Oh yes, there is a bit of good news that along with covid-19 which has started to run out in several countries in Europe, MotoGP will re-implement Paddock Girl at the Algarve series in Portugal next week.
WELCOME BACK UMBRELLA GIRL

yes i also agree Quartararo wont sink next year, as a yamaha rider motogp 2021 his performance were excellent and he make yamaha really different this season. his performance always increase every year if we see his stat thats why make me sure he will compete in top motogp 2022 board.

about the UMBRELLA GIRL hmmm this what we are waiting guys. 

[Davian144]

yes i also agree Quartararo wont sink next year, as a yamaha rider motogp 2021 his performance were excellent and he make yamaha really different this season. his performance always increase every year if we see his stat thats why make me sure he will compete in top motogp 2022 board.

I've seen how Quartararo in moto3 and moto2 even though he didn't have a champion in that class, but when he entered MotoGP on the Yamaha satellite team from Malaysia sponsored by Petronas, he immediately became the Rookie of the year champion at that time even though he was in his second season in MotoGP. he looks less consistent in the second half of the season, last year to be precise guys

about the UMBRELLA GIRL hmmm this what we are waiting guys. 

There is no need to wait for it because it has happened in previous years except last year.

[DireWolfM14]

Don't worry mate, Quartararo won't just sink like Joan Mir this season, because Quartararo has a different mentality and Yamaha has confirmed to give Quartararo a better bike next season.

I hope you're right about Quartararo.  He struggled the last few races, but this past week he showed his champion qualities by coming up from 17th to finish 4th.  It makes for a very boring season when one rider takes a huge lead early on and dominates.  I would hate to see Marquez walk away with it next year without any challengers.  Pecco Bagnaia is another rider that can make Marc look more like a mere mortal. 

MotoGP will re-implement Paddock Girl at the Algarve series in Portugal next week.
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Now that's the best news I've heard all year.

[Davian144]

I would hate to see Marquez walk away with it next year without any challengers.  Pecco Bagnaia is another rider that can make Marc look more like a mere mortal. 

Next season Ducati factory will field 8 bikes and this is a nightmare ("said Joan Mir"), and I also see that next season's Ducati riders will always interfere with the front row to get a win as seen in last week's Race where Bastianini who also started the race from 16th and managed to finish in the top three (Podium) so that it makes him more motivated for next year especially he will use the 2021 Ducati Spec motorbike for next year, this is clearly dangerous for anyone.

Now that's the best news I've heard all year.

Actually there are some more news that will be run next year, but so far I haven't updated because I'm still busy with my routine work.

[blue Snow]

Ducati is still leading the manufacturer's competition, but they're only 12 points ahead of Yamaha.  There's still a chance for Yamaha to take the lead, and secure both the rider and manufacturer's championship.  Should be a fun couple of races to finish out the season.

2 races left, the Ducati team are leading in the head after Yamaha. Bagnaia, Zarco, and Miller, If they are got on the podium on the remaining race, Ducati could be the domination on the standing board. but at the moment Joan mir (Suzuki) is in the 3rd position, he got the podium in Aragon, Styria, Assen, Mugello, Algarve, and no.1 on Ricardo Tormo. If he won and got a podium in the 2 last races he will take for 2nd position (Bagnaian). Ducati has to watch him.

[DireWolfM14]

Ducati is still leading the manufacturer's competition, but they're only 12 points ahead of Yamaha.  There's still a chance for Yamaha to take the lead, and secure both the rider and manufacturer's championship.  Should be a fun couple of races to finish out the season.

2 races left, the Ducati team are leading in the head after Yamaha. Bagnaia, Zarco, and Miller, If they are got on the podium on the remaining race, Ducati could be the domination on the standing board. but at the moment Joan mir (Suzuki) is in the 3rd position, he got the podium in Aragon, Styria, Assen, Mugello, Algarve, and no.1 on Ricardo Tormo. If he won and got a podium in the 2 last races he will take for 2nd position (Bagnaian). Ducati has to watch him.

The Suzuki team are currently 88 points behind second place Yamaha in the manufacturer's championship.  Assuming Yamaha earns no points going forward, Suzuki would need to take all three podium places in one of the remaining races to narrow the gap to 30.  It's certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Considering all the talent Ducati has on their bikes, I figure it's a done deal and they'll be champs for the second year in a row.

[Cnut237]

Perez has not been a very good support for Verstappen or a good second driver at Red Bull.  Look at most of his finishes. If he had finshed better at every race RBR should be ahead in the constructor championship or at least make it very close.

Neither Perez nor Bottas has been great. If you have a situation like this season where two teams are quite evenly matched and fighting for the title, it's absolutely crucial that the second driver steps up. Look at the last race, Red Bull had the advantage because Bottas was further down the grid and once the race started, Perez was able to stay near the front two, which gave Red Bull the crucial tactical edge at the pits stops. This is what the second driver should be doing every race. If it's a Merc track, then Bottas should be up there so that they can control Verstappen; if it's a Red Bull track then Perez should do the same to control Hamilton. If it's a neutral track, both Bottas and Perez should be in the mix, giving their team-mate whatever advantage they can.

[S A KHAIR]

Perez has not been a very good support for Verstappen or a good second driver at Red Bull.  Look at most of his finishes. If he had finshed better at every race RBR should be ahead in the constructor championship or at least make it very close.

Neither Perez nor Bottas has been great. If you have a situation like this season where two teams are quite evenly matched and fighting for the title, it's absolutely crucial that the second driver steps up. Look at the last race, Red Bull had the advantage because Bottas was further down the grid and once the race started, Perez was able to stay near the front two, which gave Red Bull the crucial tactical edge at the pits stops. This is what the second driver should be doing every race. If it's a Merc track, then Bottas should be up there so that they can control Verstappen; if it's a Red Bull track then Perez should do the same to control Hamilton. If it's a neutral track, both Bottas and Perez should be in the mix, giving their team-mate whatever advantage they can.

But in the recent races, Bottas hasn't been doing as good as Perez in my opinion (though he started a bit behind on the grid) Max won the recent few races and a lot of credit goes to Perez for holding off Hamilton or at least trying to do so. On the other hand, Hamilton is not getting the support from Bottas he needs to outperform Red Bull drivers. Last few races he got 2v1'ed by Red Bull.

[coinlocket$]

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.

Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

Well, next year we will have a reset anyone, the next year with the new car will probably win who will find a "grey area" in the regulation like BRAWNGP did back on days.

Anyway this tight competition is good for the sport but the second drivers are not existing, they are too weak.

[swogerino]

@coinlocket$ if the Hamilton winning era finally ends it’ll be great for F1, because it’s become boring each year to see him win it, however the season isn’t over yet so we all should be optimistic about Max chances but not overconfident.

Also it’s fine if Perez isn’t competing with Max, because for me personally the need is to see a new champion and till Perez is helping Max get there I’m happy to see him play a supportive role.

Well, next year we will have a reset anyone, the next year with the new car will probably win who will find a "grey area" in the regulation like BRAWNGP did back on days.

Anyway this tight competition is good for the sport but the second drivers are not existing, they are too weak.

Next year yes it will be a new start but I doubt we are in the same lines as in 2009,right now I believe all the teams have done the due search and due diligence before taking the steps to build the new car for 2022.I think maybe Ferrari can be somewhat ahead as they have already tried new packages for the 2022 car since late 2020 and during this season but that is just an assumption.

Hamilton era I doubt it will end soon even if Verstappen wins this 2021 Championship I know the fighting spirit of Hamilton and most probably he will become the first 8 times Champion of F1.

[AakZaki]

Don't worry mate, Quartararo won't just sink like Joan Mir this season, because Quartararo has a different mentality and Yamaha has confirmed to give Quartararo a better bike next season.

Oh yes, there is a bit of good news that along with covid-19 which has started to run out in several countries in Europe, MotoGP will re-implement Paddock Girl at the Algarve series in Portugal next week.
WELCOME BACK UMBRELLA GIRL

I hope so, because it will make the race even more interesting even though we will lose the legend no 46 on the circuit. I think Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, will be very competitive.

Glad to hear this news, at least I will get to see beautiful women who are next to cool motorbikes and great racers. This is a bit of a breath of fresh air at least there will be job openings for umbrella girls. Hopefully not only in Europe but in all series there will be umbrella girls again.