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[Dux2K]

Full Qualifying results for MotoGP Catalunya

Bad performance for factory Yamaha drivers,  not good for then for tomorrow race

1.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   43.870s   [Lap 5/7]   340km/h (Top Speed) 
2.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.201s    +0.331s   [2/7]   344km/h 
3.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.220s    +0.350s   [6/7]   344km/h 
4.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   44.320s    +0.450s   [5/5]   342km/h 
5.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   44.348s    +0.478s   [7/7]   338km/h 
6.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.381s    +0.511s   [5/7]   338km/h 
7.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.451s    +0.581s   [5/6]   340km/h 
8.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   44.600s    +0.730s   [3/5]   338km/h 
9.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.620s    +0.750s   [6/8]   339km/h 
10.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.740s    +0.870s   [6/6]   346km/h 
11.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.852s    +0.982s   [7/7]   344km/h 
12.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   44.928s    +1.058s   [6/8]   343km/h 
13.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.661s   338km/h   
14.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   44.681s   338km/h   
15.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   44.829s   341km/h   
16.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   44.919s   338km/h   
17.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   45.162s   339km/h   
18.   Karel Abraham   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   45.641s   340km/h   
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   45.741s   339km/h   
20.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   45.887s   344km/h   
21.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m   48.803s   331km/h   
Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   No Time   
Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   No Time

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[cicciobtc]

Full Qualifying results for MotoGP Catalunya

Bad performance for factory Yamaha drivers,  not good for then for tomorrow race

1.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   43.870s   [Lap 5/7]   340km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.201s    +0.331s   [2/7]   344km/h
3.   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.220s    +0.350s   [6/7]   344km/h
4.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   44.320s    +0.450s   [5/5]   342km/h
5.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   44.348s    +0.478s   [7/7]   338km/h
6.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.381s    +0.511s   [5/7]   338km/h
7.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m   44.451s    +0.581s   [5/6]   340km/h
8.   Jonas Folger   GER   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   44.600s    +0.730s   [3/5]   338km/h
9.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.620s    +0.750s   [6/8]   339km/h
10.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.740s    +0.870s   [6/6]   346km/h
11.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m   44.852s    +0.982s   [7/7]   344km/h
12.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   44.928s    +1.058s   [6/8]   343km/h
13.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.661s   338km/h   
14.   Johann Zarco   FRA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m   44.681s   338km/h   
15.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   44.829s   341km/h   
16.   Loris Baz   FRA   Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   44.919s   338km/h   
17.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   45.162s   339km/h   
18.   Karel Abraham   CZE   Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   45.641s   340km/h   
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   45.741s   339km/h   
20.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m   45.887s   344km/h   
21.   Sam Lowes   GBR   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m   48.803s   331km/h   
Bradley Smith   GBR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   No Time   
Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   No Time

Very bad Yamaha.
But I expect an unpredictable Gp because there is a lot of degradation and I expect to see so many falls. Marquez fell about 10 times in 3 days!
Today it will be important to take some points without risking too much

[cicciobtc]

Results of MotoGP Catalunya:

1 DOVIZIOSO A. Ducati 44'41''518
2 MARQUEZ M.  HONDA     +3''544
3 PEDROSA D.   HONDA     +6''774
4 LORENZO J.    Ducati      +9''608
5 ZARCO J.     Yamaha     +13''838
6 FOLGER J.   Yamaha      +13''921
7 BAUTISTA A.  Ducati      +16''763
8 ROSSI V.     Yamaha      +20''821
9 BARBERA H.  Ducati       +23''952
10 VINALES M. Yamaha     +24''189
11 CRUTCHLOW C. HONDA +28''329
12 BAZ L.           Ducati     +33''281
13 REDDING S.   Ducati     +35''200
14 ABRAHAM K.  Ducati      +39''436
15  RABAT T.    HONDA       +40''872
16 IANNONE A. SUZUKI      +43''221
17 GUINTOLI S. SUZUKI     +44''655
18 ESPARGARO P. KTM       +48''993
19 LOWES S.    APRILIA       +55''492

OUT: Miller, Petrucci, A. Espargaro.

Surprisingly Dovizioso's victory (second consecutive victory).
Great second place for Marquez after falling so many times this weekend.
Disastrous today the official Yahama of Rossi and Vinales.

[azguard]

Surprisingly Dovizioso's victory (second consecutive victory).
Great second place for Marquez after falling so many times this weekend.
Disastrous today the official Yahama of Rossi and Vinales.

Great driving was from Dovi he controlled this race and after he took leading position he was unstoppable, but Yamaha's better to forget this weekend for good, they have very bad performance and Rossi tried his best but Vinales made position only to error from drivers in front of him he was even worst then Rossi this weekend.

[Dux2K]

Full Canadian Grand Prix race results following Round 7 of the 2017 World Championship at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. 

1. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   70 laps 
2. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   +19.783s 
3. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    +35.297s 
4. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   +35.907s 
5. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   +40.476s 
6. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    +40.716s 
7. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    +58.632s 
8. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    +1m 00.374 
9. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    +1 lap 
10. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
11. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    +1 lap 
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
13. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    +1 lap 
14. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    +1 lap 
15. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    +1 lap 

Did not finish 

16. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    67 laps completed 
17. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    55 laps completed 
18. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    7 laps completed 
19. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    0 laps completed 
20. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    0 laps completed 

[LTU_btc]

Dux2K, you posted wrong results, Vettel finnished 4th, not 6th. And after everything what happened in start, I think it's not bad result for him.
Alonso had chances to collect first points in this season, but only two laps before finnish he stopped due to engine problems.
It's nice to see that Lance Stroll finnished in 9th place at his home GP, and this is the first points in his F1 career.

[ArdiPrabowo]

Results of MotoGP Catalunya:

1 DOVIZIOSO A. Ducati 44'41''518
2 MARQUEZ M.  HONDA     +3''544
3 PEDROSA D.   HONDA     +6''774
4 LORENZO J.    Ducati      +9''608
5 ZARCO J.     Yamaha     +13''838
6 FOLGER J.   Yamaha      +13''921
7 BAUTISTA A.  Ducati      +16''763
8 ROSSI V.     Yamaha      +20''821
9 BARBERA H.  Ducati       +23''952
10 VINALES M. Yamaha     +24''189

Surprisingly Dovizioso's victory (second consecutive victory).
Great second place for Marquez after falling so many times this weekend.
Disastrous today the official Yahama of Rossi and Vinales.

amazing ducati peformance can back to bak win, after win in muggello, this now win again in catalunya
ussualy in cantulanya yamaha is very strong, iam not understand why yamaha performance is very bad

this season i think ducati with dovizioso can compete world championship, can compete with vinales and marques

[tokeweed]

This is turning out to be one of the more exciting seasons in F1 in recent years.  If the back and forth between Ferrari and Mercedes keep up we could see the Driver's championship might be decided on the last race.  When was the last time that happened?

[cicciobtc]

Standing MotoGP after 7 races:


1) Vinales     111  
2) Dovizioso  104    -7
3) Marquez    88     -23
4) Pedrosa     84     -27
5) Rossi         83     -28
6) Zarco        75     -36
7) Lorenzo     59     -52
8 ) Folger       51     -60  
9) Crutchlow  45     -66
10)Petrucci    42     -69


5 riders in just 28 points, of 3 different teams.
Each of these can win this unpredictable world championship.
Honda seems more constant, while Yamaha on some tracks is far superior to other teams while in some tracks it is very weak.
Dovizioso is the great surprise of this start of the championship.

[pereira4]

Full Canadian Grand Prix race results following Round 7 of the 2017 World Championship at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. 

1. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   70 laps 
2. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   +19.783s 
3. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    +35.297s 
4. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   +35.907s 
5. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   +40.476s 
6. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    +40.716s 
7. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    +58.632s 
8. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    +1m 00.374 
9. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    +1 lap 
10. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
11. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    +1 lap 
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
13. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    +1 lap 
14. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    +1 lap 
15. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    +1 lap 

Did not finish 

16. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    67 laps completed 
17. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    55 laps completed 
18. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    7 laps completed 
19. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    0 laps completed 
20. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    0 laps completed 

Damn it's a really sad sight to see Fernando Alonso consistently not being able to finish a single race. Looks like the championship is going to end with 0 wins by Alonso.

Hamilton is probably going to win again this year if he keeps winning. I think Vettel will have a streak of bad luck at the end with his car and Hamilton will take the lead.

[LTU_btc]

Damn it's a really sad sight to see Fernando Alonso consistently not being able to finish a single race. Looks like the championship is going to end with 0 wins by Alonso.

It's obvious that Alonso will end season without wins. It was already clear before season that he won't be able to fight for a win. I'm not even sure that Alonso will get some points this season.

[Dux2K]

Damn it's a really sad sight to see Fernando Alonso consistently not being able to finish a single race. Looks like the championship is going to end with 0 wins by Alonso.

It's obvious that Alonso will end season without wins. It was already clear before season that he won't be able to fight for a win. I'm not even sure that Alonso will get some points this season.

This season is over for him, if he could take some point it would be good but from this point of view that's not gonna happen.  Better for him to change team or McLaren to take Mercedes engines.

[bbc.reporter]

Damn it's a really sad sight to see Fernando Alonso consistently not being able to finish a single race. Looks like the championship is going to end with 0 wins by Alonso.

It's obvious that Alonso will end season without wins. It was already clear before season that he won't be able to fight for a win. I'm not even sure that Alonso will get some points this season.

It would be better for Fernando to move on and transfer to another team next year. I hope to see him in Redbull or back to Renault. McClaren will not be the team they were years ago unless Honda gives them a good engine. But all the promised upgrades are always delayed.

[pereira4]

Damn it's a really sad sight to see Fernando Alonso consistently not being able to finish a single race. Looks like the championship is going to end with 0 wins by Alonso.

It's obvious that Alonso will end season without wins. It was already clear before season that he won't be able to fight for a win. I'm not even sure that Alonso will get some points this season.

Correct, I meant to say "points" not "wins". I was expecting Alonso to at least get 1 damn point, just 1, so you dont have a big ugly 0 as score. He was doing great this race, 10th position would give him a point, but the damn car had to crash in the last lap, he is cursed with bad luck. Let's hope he gets a good luck streak soon, odds say he should have good luck soon.

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 7 races:

Vettel          141    gap
Hamilton     129    -12
Bottas          93     -48
Raikkonen    73     -68
Ricciardo      67     -74
Verstappen   45     -96
Perez           44     -97
Ocon           27    -114
Sainz           25   -116
Massa          20   -121






Standings Teams after 7 races:

Mercedes   222     gap
Ferrari       214     -8
Red Bull     112  -110
Force India  71  -151
Toro Rosso  29  -193
Williams    , 22  -200
Renault       18  -204
Haas           15  -207
Sauber         4   -218



Despite a really unlucky Gp, Vettel with a great comeback came fourth with limiting the damage.

Mercedes overtakes Ferrari, but for both of the world titles there will be great balance until the end

[tokeweed]

Another race weekend!  Ok, I've been reading that Honda still has hope in the partnership with McClaren.  We'll see how it all pans out for them after the much anticipated engine upgrade will finally be used this weekend.  And there's also more and more news of Williams' link with Honda as well.

Here's the schedule for the race. 

2017 Formula 1 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Timetable

Fri 23 Jun – Sun 25 Jun 2017
Practice 1    Fri    13:00 – 14:30   
Practice 2    Fri    17:00 – 18:30
Practice 3    Sat   14:00 – 15:00
Qualifying    Sat   17:00 – 18:00
Race           Sun   17:00 – 19:00

2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix | F1 Fast Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8AWJ-6pGqo

Enjoy! 

[ArdiPrabowo]

Standings Drivers after 7 races:

Vettel          141    gap
Hamilton     129    -12
Bottas          93     -48
Raikkonen    73     -68
Ricciardo      67     -74
Verstappen   45     -96
Perez           44     -97
Ocon           27    -114
Sainz           25   -116
Massa          20   -121


Standings Teams after 7 races:

Mercedes   222     gap
Ferrari       214     -8
Red Bull     112  -110
Force India  71  -151
Toro Rosso  29  -193
Williams    , 22  -200
Renault       18  -204
Haas           15  -207
Sauber         4   -218



Despite a really unlucky Gp, Vettel with a great comeback came fourth with limiting the damage.

Mercedes overtakes Ferrari, but for both of the world titles there will be great balance until the end

world championship batle still only sebastian vettel and lewis hamilton
if counstuction still mercedes and ferari, but mercedes still strong candidate

[cicciobtc]

Here are the odds updated after 7 races of 20:


Drivers:

Hamilton      @1.90
Vettel          @1.90
Bottas       @45.00
Raikkonen @90.00


Cars:

Mercedes    @1.45
Ferrari        @2.75
Red Bull  @250.00


Perfect balance between Hamilton and Vettel at quote@1.90
At this time interesting the Ferrari at quote@2.75, it seems very highin comparison to the great balance seen up to this point.

[tokeweed]

Here are the odds updated after 7 races of 20:


Drivers:

Hamilton      @1.90
Vettel          @1.90
Bottas       @45.00
Raikkonen @90.00


Cars:

Mercedes    @1.45
Ferrari        @2.75
Red Bull  @250.00


Perfect balance between Hamilton and Vettel at quote@1.90
At this time interesting the Ferrari at quote@2.75, it seems very highin comparison to the great balance seen up to this point.

The Ferrari line isn't really 'high' as in has value.  That's because Bottas has a way better chance to win than Raikonnen does.  Maybe it's good to start looking when the line moves up to 3.50.  Sometimes the sports books make very efficient lines and it's hard to get an edge on them.  They're also very smart in making them look like it's 'high'.  Don't fall for it.

[cicciobtc]

Here are the odds updated after 7 races of 18 for the MotoGP:

Vinales     @1.85
Marquez   @3.60
Dovizioso  @5.50 
V. Rossi    @8.00
Pedrosa    @9.50
Zarco      @50.00
Lorenzo   @66.00


5 riders struggling to win the world Championship! This year there is great balance and unpredictability in MotoGp.
Interesting the quote at @8.00 for V. Rossi.
I think he can return to victory in the next Gp of Assen and so this quote will drop a lot.