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[cicciobtc]

This week there is the Hungarian Gp (Hungaroring) in F1.

This track seems to be favorable to Ferrari, but the big favorite is still Lewis Hamilton who won 5 times here and made 5 pole positions.

If he does better than Vettel will go first in the world championship standings.

[bbc.reporter]

@cicciobtc. The FIA has also made stricter impositions on the oil burning issue that has been supposedly giving the Mercedes team an advantage in qualifying. I will bet on Sebastian and Kimi to be on pole if there are good odds available.

[joshy23]

Guys, this is a old article but I think its worth sharing:

Remembering Lewis Hamilton’s F1 debut, 10 years ago today

A friendly warning before you read this piece: prepare to feel old.

As we begin to get ready for the start of the new Formula 1 season in Australia next Sunday, the preseason favorite is Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton.

With three world titles to his name and more than 50 race wins chalked up, Hamilton is one of F1’s modern-day superstars. As well as showcasing devastating speed on-track, he has developed a burgeoning celebrity reputation off it, gracing red carpets all over the world.

There can be little doubt that Hamilton is one of the most famous and talented drivers in F1’s history, but there was a time when things were very different.

Ten years ago today, a young kid from the rather unremarkable town of Stevenage, England made his grand prix debut in Australia. There were no piercings; no tattoos; no celebrities on his arm. Only his father and mentor, Anthony, was there to cheer him on in the garage. But the on-track display that was delivered made the world stand up and take notice of Lewis Hamilton.

For the full article here's the link: http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/03/18/remembering-lewis-hamiltons-f1-debut-10-years-ago-today/

I'm not a fan of Lewis Hamilton in the beginning. But seeing how to grown in the sports he love, has somewhat change my perspective about him.

[cicciobtc]

Who will win the Gp of Hungary?
 
Lewis Hamilton  @1.85
Sebastian Vettel @4.50
Valtteri     Bottas @5.50
Max Verstappen @11.00
Daniel Ricciardo  @12.00
Kimi Raikkonen   @15.00


This gp is very important and will tell us if vettel can continue to fight for the championship win, if bottas will only be the second driver of the Mercedes or instead will be free to win; And we will see if the red bull have reduced the gap.

[cicciobtc]

Here are the first 10 times of the FP1 of the Gp of Hungary:

1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull     gap     1’18"486
2 Kimi Raikkonen   Ferrari      +00″234
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes  +00"372  
4 Valtteri Bottas  Mercedes    +00″762  
5 Max Verstappen  Red Bull    +00″849  
6 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari        +01″077
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren   +01"501
8 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren +01"519
9 Nico Hulkenberg Renault      +01"664
10 Jolion Palmer Renault         +01"975


Amazing time for Ricciardo! He is very close at record of track of Barrichello in 2004 (1’18"436)

[joshy23]

Renault's Jolyon Palmer endured a miserable day as he drew a red flag late in the first session after losing his front wing and then crashed hard into the barriers in the afternoon. It was a session full of incident, with Palmer not the only driver to hit the barriers at speed. Just under 40 minutes from the end of the run, Sauber's Pascal Wehrlein found the wall at Turn 11 having failed to recover after losing his rear end.

[bbc.reporter]

Here are the first 10 times of the FP1 of the Gp of Hungary:

1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull     gap     1’18"486
2 Kimi Raikkonen   Ferrari      +00″234
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes  +00"372  
4 Valtteri Bottas  Mercedes    +00″762  
5 Max Verstappen  Red Bull    +00″849  
6 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari        +01″077
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren   +01"501
8 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren +01"519
9 Nico Hulkenberg Renault      +01"664
10 Jolion Palmer Renault         +01"975


Amazing time for Ricciardo! He is very close at record of track of Barrichello in 2004 (1’18"436)

Mercedes and Ferrari will be pushing hard on the 2nd and 3rd practice and one of them will break the track record. What kind of tires were they using when Daniel got that time?

[cicciobtc]

Pole position top 10 times:

1SEBASTIAN VETTEL Ferrari       1:16:276
2KIMI RAIKKONEN     Ferrari           +0:168
3VALTTERI BOTTAS Mercedes      +0:254
4LEWIS HAMILTON Mercedes       +0:431
5MAX VERSTAPPEN Red Bull         +0:521
6DANIEL RICCIARDO Red Bull         +0:542
7FERNANDO ALONSO McLaren     +1:273
8STOFFEL VANDOORNE McLaren +1:618
9CARLOS SAINZ JR Toro Rosso    +1:636
10JOLYON PALMER Renault F1     +1:722

Great time (record of track) and pole position for Vettel! If the Ferrari will not make mistakes, can make first and second piace

[bbc.reporter]

What did I tell everyone? After the stricter rules on the oil burning issue will get some of Mercedes' advantages away from them. Renault has been complaining about this issue since the beginning of the season.

[Dux2K]

Full Hungarian Grand Prix Race Results from the Hungaroring, Round 11 of the 2017 Formula 1 World Championship. 

1. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    70 laps 
2. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    +0.9s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   +12.4s 
4. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   +12.8s 
5. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    +13.2s 
6. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    +1m 11.2s 
7. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    +1 lap 
8. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap 
9. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap 
10. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    +1 lap 

11. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    +1 lap 
12. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    +1 lap 
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
14. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    +1 lap 
15. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    +2 laps 
16. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    +2 laps 

Did not finished 

17. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    68 laps 
18. Paul di Resta    GBR   Williams - Mercedes    61 laps completed 
19. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    19 laps completed 
20. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    0 laps completed

[CarlesPuyol]

I would like to see here some tips for the next races from those who watch and involved in that sport.

[bbc.reporter]

@CarlesPuyol. After a Ferrari win it is time to start looking at what Mercedes will do in the next race. If the betting is giving Lewis Hamilton +200 odds or more to get 1st in qualifying it might be a good bet. It would be better if his teammate Valterri could get +500 or more because you can bet on him also. Valterri can sometimes be very fast in qualifying.

[mnixxo]

Next two races in Spa and Monza will be different from the last Hungaroring.  Drivers can reach high speed at various points around the tracks. On the other hand at Hungaroring there is no space for overtaking. So I think Mercedes will have adventure in the next two races. So two doubles for Mercedes in next two races for me.

Few words for last GP.

Thumbs ups: Hamilton to allowing Valtteri Bottas to retake third place and finish on the podium. And of course Alonso for his 6th place with very very bad Mclaren Honda.

On the othe hand thumbs down for Verstappen after ramming into Ricciardo forcing him out of the race.

[tokeweed]

Next two races in Spa and Monza will be different from the last Hungaroring.  Drivers can reach high speed at various points around the tracks. On the other hand at Hungaroring there is no space for overtaking. So I think Mercedes will have adventure in the next two races. So two doubles for Mercedes in next two races for me.

Few words for last GP.

Thumbs ups: Hamilton to allowing Valtteri Bottas to retake third place and finish on the podium. And of course Alonso for his 6th place with very very bad Mclaren Honda.

On the othe hand thumbs down for Verstappen after ramming into Ricciardo forcing him out of the race.

I would like to see Hamilton win with a big grin at Monza for sure just to make things more interesting this season.  I'm getting kinda bored with F1 lately.  I know the fight for the championship is very close but for some reason I'm not into watching it.  I'm craving for some EPL football!

[Loepuenkyou]

after hungarian series, driver championship

1. Sebastian Vettel   202
2. Lewis Hamilton     188
3. Valtteri Bottas     169
4. Daniel Ricciardo   117
5. Kimi Räikkönen    116

vetell still first placed, and defeat 14 point with hamilton
iam not understand why hamilton this season not competitive and not strong

[mnixxo]

after hungarian series, driver championship

1. Sebastian Vettel   202
2. Lewis Hamilton     188
3. Valtteri Bottas     169
4. Daniel Ricciardo   117
5. Kimi Räikkönen    116

vetell still first placed, and defeat 14 point with hamilton
iam not understand why hamilton this season not competitive and not strong

Hamilton should focus more at racing not doing other things. But i think his time is coming soon and he will be winning again. It is something like it was last season with Nico by his side. Last four GP he won, but 5 GP before in Belgium, Italy, Singaopre, Malaysia, Japan not.

[joshy23]

after hungarian series, driver championship

1. Sebastian Vettel   202
2. Lewis Hamilton     188
3. Valtteri Bottas     169
4. Daniel Ricciardo   117
5. Kimi Räikkönen    116

vetell still first placed, and defeat 14 point with hamilton
iam not understand why hamilton this season not competitive and not strong

Vettel's victory on Sunday, extends his advantage at the summit of the Formula One driver standings. I think he just put enough breathing room for him and Hamilton.

I would like to see Hamilton win with a big grin at Monza for sure just to make things more interesting this season.  I'm getting kinda bored with F1 lately.  I know the fight for the championship is very close but for some reason I'm not into watching it.  I'm craving for some EPL football!

I'm expecting Hamilton to do something here and he did, but unfortunately it is not enough to upset the Ferrari's. I'm expecting that he will try to take Monza to make the driver championship fight more catching the attention.

[cicciobtc]

Full Hungarian Grand Prix Race Results from the Hungaroring, Round 11 of the 2017 Formula 1 World Championship. 

1. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    70 laps 
2. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    +0.9s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   +12.4s 
4. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   +12.8s 
5. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    +13.2s 
6. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    +1m 11.2s 
7. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    +1 lap 
8. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap 
9. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap 
10. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    +1 lap 

11. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    +1 lap 
12. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    +1 lap 
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    +1 lap 
14. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    +1 lap 
15. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    +2 laps 
16. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    +2 laps 

Did not finished 

17. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    68 laps 
18. Paul di Resta    GBR   Williams - Mercedes    61 laps completed 
19. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    19 laps completed 
20. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    0 laps completed

Important victory for Ferrari. Finally Raikkonen was helpful to his team. Probably the championship will be decided at the last race!

[LTU_btc]

Despite Vettel lead, I'm still seeing Hamilton as favorite to win championship. After summer break we will have 2 gp's in fast tracks, which is better for Meecedes. Next good track for Ferrari is Singapore.
Anyway, this season is hardly predictable and it makes more interesting to watch.
P.S It was really nice to see that Hamilton given back third position to Bottas in last GP. I expected that he will find thousands reasons why he should stay in 3rd place.

[mnixxo]

Agree with you that Mercedes will have advantage in the next two circuits.

Interestingly enough fastest pit stop - Hungaroring 2017

1. 2.29s - WILLIAMS - Di Resta
2. 2.33s - WILLIAMS - Stroll
3. 2.44s - TORO ROSSO - Kvyat
4. 2.56s - MERCEDES - Hamilton
5. 2.65s - FERRARI - Raikkonen
6. 2.76s - TORO ROSSO - Sainz
7. 2.96s - HAAS - Grosjean
8. 3.01s - FERRARI - Vettel
9. 3.08s - RENAULT - Palmer
10. 3.11s - McLAREN - Alonso

So Williams is the fastest in the pit stop.