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[cicciobtc]

Pole Position Gp Singapore top 10:

1.Sebastian Vettel Ferrari         1:39:491
2.Max Verstappen Red Bull       +0:323
3.Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull      +0:349
4.Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari          +0:578
5.Lewis Hamilton Mercedes     +0:635
6.Valtteri Bottas Mercedes       +1:319
7.Nikolas Hulkenberg Renault +1:522
8.Fernando Alonso McLaren     +1:688
9.Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren   +1:907
10.Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso      +2:565

Amazing pole position for Vettel with the new track record! he can win and earn so many points on Hamilton
2 Red Bulls look very strong on this track.
Raikkonen may slow Hamilton, while Bottas is the worst among the top 6 drivers.

[tokeweed]

Lol_Ferrari.  I think they hate Verstappen so much that they were willing to risk crashing out of the race by being really aggressive vs him.  It's like both Vettel and Raikonen wanted to squeeze him out.

Hamilton is now up by 28 points or so...

[LTU_btc]

Lol_Ferrari.  I think they hate Verstappen so much that they were willing to risk crashing out of the race by being really aggressive vs him.  It's like both Vettel and Raikonen wanted to squeeze him out.

Hamilton is now up by 28 points or so...

But Verstappen moved into side of Raikkonen to block him and Kimi didn't had enough place. But I can't understand why Vettel risked so much to squeeze Max. And despite great start, Alonso appeared on first corner at very wrong time...
I think it was crucial race in fight for championship. Ferrari had to win easily today. There are no more tracks left, where Ferrari will have big advantage. Now Vettel in very complicated situation.

[azguard]

Can believe what happen on this race, to be honest before the race i was hopping to find that i can place bet on safety car.

Looking again and again on replay start from all possible angles that i found i most person i fell sorry are Vettel and Alonso. Alonso with McLaren for the first time since they have Honda made awesome start shame was this incident with Max and Kimi. Cannot blame both of them but Seb and Alonso got the biggest impact one was first other was kicked in crash. Anyway good race for Lewis he didnt have any competition here but this is very bad setback for Ferrari drivers. Didnt find out anything for this crash incident and believe that they will be some severe punishment for next race by race officials.

[LTU_btc]

Didnt find out anything for this crash incident and believe that they will be some severe punishment for next race by race officials.

According to FIA press release, they will not take actions against drivers:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131884/fia-takes-no-action-over-start-crash
I also watched that moment many times and it's very hard to say who is most responsible for this accident. Track was wet and drivers had to be more careful

[mnixxo]

What a race. Awesome start for Kimi cost him this race. Verstappen could little slow down. Nobody was behind him, so there was no fear of crash. Vettel went too left to Verstappen. Kimi had maybe 20-30 cm on his lift side too. So everybody of these three drivers could do something to avoid this crash. But nobody did anything. It was easy race for Lewis. And Alonso? This man is out of luck. I feel sorry for him.

[nimethasa]

iam not believe 2 ferari with max vestapen redbull crash in start Gp sigapore
2 ferari crash in start, i think is bad start 2 ferari can accident same time
i think raikonen , must second driver, because vettel can chance world championship this season

[bbc.reporter]

I reckon none of the 3 were to blame for the crashes. Sebastian had his nose in ahead of Max so Max should give way. But the problem was Kimi, he was also at the other side trying to overtake Max. So Max had no choice but to keep it straight and his wheel hit Kimi's wheel then they crashed.

This is another fortuitous event for Lewis with 6 races left.

[cicciobtc]

Lol_Ferrari.  I think they hate Verstappen so much that they were willing to risk crashing out of the race by being really aggressive vs him.  It's like both Vettel and Raikonen wanted to squeeze him out.

Hamilton is now up by 28 points or so...

But Verstappen moved into side of Raikkonen to block him and Kimi didn't had enough place. But I can't understand why Vettel risked so much to squeeze Max. And despite great start, Alonso appeared on first corner at very wrong time...
I think it was crucial race in fight for championship. Ferrari had to win easily today. There are no more tracks left, where Ferrari will have big advantage. Now Vettel in very complicated situation.

Yes, Vettel and Ferrari wasted a great chance.
Vettel would surely be back in first place in the world championship and now has a 28 point gap! The championship seems to be compromised now.

[pereira4]

Can believe what happen on this race, to be honest before the race i was hopping to find that i can place bet on safety car.

Looking again and again on replay start from all possible angles that i found i most person i fell sorry are Vettel and Alonso. Alonso with McLaren for the first time since they have Honda made awesome start shame was this incident with Max and Kimi. Cannot blame both of them but Seb and Alonso got the biggest impact one was first other was kicked in crash. Anyway good race for Lewis he didnt have any competition here but this is very bad setback for Ferrari drivers. Didnt find out anything for this crash incident and believe that they will be some severe punishment for next race by race officials.

What I was expecting became true: Fernando Alonso is the best pilot with rain and would need a crazy start in order to get a podium this year, but unfortunately the accident with Vettel happened.

If Vettel didn't push Alonso out of the track, it would have been almost a guaranteed top3 result for Alonso, but his bad luck continues. He was so pissed that reportedly he made a hole on the hotel wall with a punch.

[bbc.reporter]

@pereira4. That is what the news writers say about Fernando's sure chances to be in the podium but did he really have that chance? I reckon the Honda engines are still very much underpowered compared to that of their rivals.

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 14 of 20 races:

1.Hamilton         263    gap
2.Vettel               235     -28
3.Bottas              212     -51
4.Ricciardo         162    -101
5.Raikkonen       138    -125
6.Verstappen        68    -195
6.Perez                 68    -195
8.Ocon                  56    -207
9.Sainz                  48    -215
10.Hulkenberg      34    -229




Standings Teams after 14 of 20 races:

1.Mercedes   475    gap
2.Ferrari        373    -102
3.Red Bull     230
4.Force India 124
5.Williams       59
6.Toro Rosso    52
7.Renault         42
8.Haas             37
9.McLaren        17
10.Sauber          5



Hamilton with 28 points ahead of Vettel now has the championship in his hands. Vettel must win at least 4 of the 6 races left if he wants to try to win the championship.

The "teams" championship is definitely closed (Mercedes has 102 points ahead of Ferrari).

[tokeweed]

Vettel needs to do something special to win that championship.  Is it still mathematically possible for Vettel to gain the points and chase Hamilton?  I think Hamilton needs to be out of the podium places for three or so races and Vettel gets first place in those three or so races to get back the points he lost.

That something that's sadly not gonna happen.

[cicciobtc]

Incredible, Valentino Rossi (38 years old) will go to Aragon after only 20 days from the bad accident.
He made a few rounds on Misano's track and then decided to go to Aragon.
 If he is going to run at Aragon it's almost a miracle (the doctors had estimated at least 40 days for rehabilitation).
Congratulations to Valentino Rossi for his courage and his desire to run as soon as possible.

[cicciobtc]

Valentino Rossi has passed the physical texts today and has officially been eligible to participate in the Aragon race.
He actually has difficulty just walking and tomorrow in free practice we will see if he is competitive and he will be able to play a decent race.
He said he no longer thinks about winning the World Championship and only wants to try to end the race and possibly take a few points

[cicciobtc]

FP1 Gp Aragon:

1.MARQUEZ         2:01.420
2.ZARCO                +0.608
3.MILLER                +0.679
4.PEDROSA           +0.928
5.IANNONE           +1.537
6.DOVIZIOSO        +1.673
7.CRUTCHLOW     +1.767
8.RABAT                +2.253
9.   P.ESPARGARO +2.274
10.A.ESPARGARO  +2.321

18.ROSSI               +2.823


Wet track in the first free practice at Aragon, with Marquez who dominated the session.
Rossi with these climatic conditions did not risk much and sighed the 18th time

[Dux2K]

FP1 Gp Aragon:

1.MARQUEZ         2:01.420
2.ZARCO                +0.608
3.MILLER                +0.679
4.PEDROSA           +0.928
5.IANNONE           +1.537
6.DOVIZIOSO        +1.673
7.CRUTCHLOW     +1.767
8.RABAT                +2.253
9.   P.ESPARGARO +2.274
10.A.ESPARGARO  +2.321

18.ROSSI               +2.823


Wet track in the first free practice at Aragon, with Marquez who dominated the session.
Rossi with these climatic conditions did not risk much and sighed the 18th time

This season is over for rossi anyway but he is brave to take the race after so little time,  still think t th is is a bad idea.

[cicciobtc]

FP3 Gp Aragon top 10:

1.MARQUEZ      1:48.252
2.VIÑALES           +0.310
3.PEDROSA         +0.431
4.BAUTISTA        +0.531
5.KALLIO            +0.559
6.DOVIZIOSO     +0.629
7.ESPARGARO    +0.668
8.CRUTCHLOW   +0.769
9.IANNONE         +0.887
10.ROSSI             +0.971


Finally there is the sun at Aragon, but Marquez continues its dominance and is the great favorite of the race.
Incredible 10th time for V. Rossi who is now qualified to Q2 for the pole position and will start, at worst  12th tomorrow!

[cicciobtc]

Pole position Gp Aragon top 10:

1.VINALES        1:47:635
2.LORENZO        +0.100
3.ROSSI              +0.180
4.CRUTCHLOW   +0.195
5.MARQUEZ        +0.328
6.PEDROSA         +0.472
7.DOVIZIOSO      +0.502
8.ESPARGARO     +0.524
9.BAUTISTA        +0.552
10.IANNONE       +0.654

Amazing Valentino Rossi third place,almost a miracle to him!
Pole position Vinales,at  surprise only fifth Marquez (fallen)

[Dux2K]

MotoGP race results

1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 42m 6.816s 
2.. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 42m 7.695s 
3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP17) 42m 8.844s 
4. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 42m 12.072s 
5. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 42m 12.698s 
6. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 42m 13.778s 
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP17) 42m 14.271s 
8. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar (GP16) 42m 14.726s 
9. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 42m 19.818s 
10. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 42m 20.891s 
11. Mika Kallio FIN Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 42m 24.008s 
12. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 42m 27.448s 
13. Jack Miller AUS EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 42m 30.702s 
14. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac (GP16) 42m 32.339s 
15. Tito Rabat ESP EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 42m 32.898s 
16. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 42m 37.118s 
17. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 42m 38.690s 
18. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia (GP16) 42m 38.764s 
19. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 42m 43.112s 
20. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac (GP17) 42m 44.658s 
21. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia (GP15) 42m 54.415s 
22. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 42m 54.463s 
Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) DNF 
Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar (GP15) DNF