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[coinlocket$]

Also the fact that it was the F1 that decided to withdraw, and not Japan which is the difference. Japan could have said no to Olympics because of the pandemic, but they didn't

There was too much political interest in saying no to the Olympics game. Billions of dollars spent in stadiums and structures.
Japan needed the games.

The GP track is already there it will be not a big loss if they skip 1 year.

[jamkesmas]

I read in the local media that Vinales can race together. But with a note that Aprilia had to throw away one of their drivers to be replaced. It could be Lorenzo Savador but it seems impossible. It looks like Johann Zarco, 2 years ago who broke his contract with KTM. But will it happen? I do not know. Or he will just be a racer for the test or wilcard. But sorry if I misunderstood about this.

The Aprilia racer seat in MotoGP 2021 is still filled by Aleix Espargaro and Lorenzo Savadori, but considering Lorenzo Savadori's position as a (emergency) racer, it is very likely that Lorenzo Savadori will be replaced by Maverick Vinales, and besides that we also know that Lorenzo Savadori is Aprilia's test driver who replace Andrea Iannone who is absent until mid-2023.

[blue Snow]

. but I heard the rumors Aprilia wants Vinales with the team in the next race (Silverstone circuit England), can this happen?

I read in the local media that Vinales can race together. But with a note that Aprilia had to throw away one of their drivers to be replaced. It could be Lorenzo Savador but it seems impossible. It looks like Johann Zarco, 2 years ago who broke his contract with KTM. But will it happen? I do not know. Or he will just be a racer for the test or wilcard. But sorry if I misunderstood about this.

too many victims, better for Vinales to race on the next year. a mistake that he must bear himself. I called his blunder when damage the motorcycle.

the next MotoGP in Silverstone circuit England is the next week,  but the news it's not around about that game but is still hot about Vinales. As we know Yamaha was removing Vinales from the Yamaha team rather fast because he makes destroy on purpose his motorcycle on styria. And know Vinales doesn't have a team until 2022 because of his contract with Aprilia in 2022. but I heard the rumors Aprilia wants Vinales with the team in the next race (Silverstone circuit England), can this happen?

I think this is unlikely to happen, as we already know, Vinales has been announced to be an Aprilia rider in MotoGP 2022, but Massimo Rivola as Aprilia boss wants to see Vinales make his debut in the team as soon as possible, but given the time is short, then most likely Vinales will not will be able to follow the British MotoGP race next week with the Aprilia team.

Maybe this was Vinales thinking before damage the Yamaha cycle, he wants to change the motor ASAP,  but make a wrong decision and now, he can't race until the next years.

The Aprilia racer seat in MotoGP 2021 is still filled by Aleix Espargaro and Lorenzo Savadori, but considering Lorenzo Savadori's position as a (emergency) racer, it is very likely that Lorenzo Savadori will be replaced by Maverick Vinales, and besides that we also know that Lorenzo Savadori is Aprilia's test driver who replace Andrea Iannone who is absent until mid-2023.

I hear the news Cal Crutchlow replace Vinalles and Jake Dixon to replace Morbidelli because Morbidelli still didn't fit yet.

[Koal-84]

. but I heard the rumors Aprilia wants Vinales with the team in the next race (Silverstone circuit England), can this happen?

I read in the local media that Vinales can race together. But with a note that Aprilia had to throw away one of their drivers to be replaced. It could be Lorenzo Savador but it seems impossible. It looks like Johann Zarco, 2 years ago who broke his contract with KTM. But will it happen? I do not know. Or he will just be a racer for the test or wilcard. But sorry if I misunderstood about this.

too many victims, better for Vinales to race on the next year. a mistake that he must bear himself. I called his blunder when damage the motorcycle.

the next MotoGP in Silverstone circuit England is the next week,  but the news it's not around about that game but is still hot about Vinales. As we know Yamaha was removing Vinales from the Yamaha team rather fast because he makes destroy on purpose his motorcycle on styria. And know Vinales doesn't have a team until 2022 because of his contract with Aprilia in 2022. but I heard the rumors Aprilia wants Vinales with the team in the next race (Silverstone circuit England), can this happen?

I think this is unlikely to happen, as we already know, Vinales has been announced to be an Aprilia rider in MotoGP 2022, but Massimo Rivola as Aprilia boss wants to see Vinales make his debut in the team as soon as possible, but given the time is short, then most likely Vinales will not will be able to follow the British MotoGP race next week with the Aprilia team.

Maybe this was Vinales thinking before damage the Yamaha cycle, he wants to change the motor ASAP,  but make a wrong decision and now, he can't race until the next years.

The Aprilia racer seat in MotoGP 2021 is still filled by Aleix Espargaro and Lorenzo Savadori, but considering Lorenzo Savadori's position as a (emergency) racer, it is very likely that Lorenzo Savadori will be replaced by Maverick Vinales, and besides that we also know that Lorenzo Savadori is Aprilia's test driver who replace Andrea Iannone who is absent until mid-2023.

I hear the news Cal Crutchlow replace Vinalles and Jake Dixon to replace Morbidelli because Morbidelli still didn't fit yet.

It wasn't very smart of Vinales what he did there, why did he go into the pits at all? Did he not feel like finishing the race?

By the way, it is already official that Crutchlow will ride instead of Vinales in Silverstone. I do not think that Morbidelli is already fit again, Crutchlow would have driven instead of Morbidelli also in Silverstone, at least so was the plan.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2021/08/20/crutchlow-in-for-vinales-at-silverstone/387222

In any case, it will be very difficult for Yamaha in the team points...

[LTU_btc]

There is one bad and good thing about upcoming weekend:
Bad one - it's last weekend of summer.
And good one - F1 action is finally back in one of best tracks - Spa. And as always, there will be lot of orange fans supporting Verstappen Mclaren. But seriously, Max really need to win it after bad period, because gap to Hamilton may become too big.
So far weather dorecasts shows rain and low temperatures whole weekend. Unpredictable Spa weather may be big factor.

The GP track is already there it will be not a big loss if they skip 1 year.

I don't really know. For me it seems that we won't have some GP's like Japan, Canada, Australia as long as Covid will be there.

[Turbolinea]

There is one bad and good thing about upcoming weekend:
Bad one - it's last weekend of summer.
And good one - F1 action is finally back in one of best tracks - Spa. And as always, there will be lot of orange fans supporting Verstappen Mclaren. But seriously, Max really need to win it after bad period, because gap to Hamilton may become too big.
So far weather dorecasts shows rain and low temperatures whole weekend. Unpredictable Spa weather may be big factor.

Hamilton has made a comeback from a big point difference and now he is ahead of Verstappen in the driver standings by 8 points. Verstappen got really unlucky in the last two races. And the situation was the opposite for Hamilton. He benefited from these chances superbly. Verstappen needs to concentrate on the next race in Spa. He should end the race as the winner absolutely to get in-form again.

I really want to see Verstappen becoming the champion at the end of the season. I think that it is his time now.

[AndySt]

Also the fact that it was the F1 that decided to withdraw, and not Japan which is the difference. Japan could have said no to Olympics because of the pandemic, but they didn't

There was too much political interest in saying no to the Olympics game. Billions of dollars spent in stadiums and structures.
Japan needed the games.
The GP track is already there it will be not a big loss if they skip 1 year.

Yes, public opinion is already so agitated by the past Olympic Games and the Paralympic Games that are currently taking place, that it is not in the interests of government officials to provoke this opinion again once again. Therefore, this decision was probably mutual, because the cooperation will certainly continue in the future and there is no point in holding the stage in uncomfortable conditions when there is an opportunity to move the stage to another place with mutual interest. When there are applicants who agree to hold this stage with a certain number of spectators, and not in Japan without spectators, then for every reasonable organizer of the competition in the person of the F1 management, the choice is obvious.

[aesma]

Also the fact that it was the F1 that decided to withdraw, and not Japan which is the difference. Japan could have said no to Olympics because of the pandemic, but they didn't

There was too much political interest in saying no to the Olympics game. Billions of dollars spent in stadiums and structures.
Japan needed the games.

The GP track is already there it will be not a big loss if they skip 1 year.

Actually cancelling the Olympics would probably have been cheaper for Japan. Yes the stadiums etc. were built, but they were built either way. The Olympics happened, but with no spectators, and no tourists, so they brought in absolutely no money for Japan. Just more costs (food, accomodations, security, healthcare, etc.).

On the other hand you have sponsors who pitched in, so maybe it was still slightly better to run them, but in the end, I don't think the choice was made according to money, but rather image and politics. It would have been an absolute disaster for Japan to cancel them, an humiliation.

Cancelling the GP doesn't have that issue, maybe the government even pushed for it, banning spectators and not wanting to provide healthcare facilities etc.

[Juggy777]

Also the fact that it was the F1 that decided to withdraw, and not Japan which is the difference. Japan could have said no to Olympics because of the pandemic, but they didn't

There was too much political interest in saying no to the Olympics game. Billions of dollars spent in stadiums and structures.
Japan needed the games.

The GP track is already there it will be not a big loss if they skip 1 year.

Actually cancelling the Olympics would probably have been cheaper for Japan. Yes the stadiums etc. were built, but they were built either way. The Olympics happened, but with no spectators, and no tourists, so they brought in absolutely no money for Japan. Just more costs (food, accomodations, security, healthcare, etc.).

On the other hand you have sponsors who pitched in, so maybe it was still slightly better to run them, but in the end, I don't think the choice was made according to money, but rather image and politics. It would have been an absolute disaster for Japan to cancel them, an humiliation.

Cancelling the GP doesn't have that issue, maybe the government even pushed for it, banning spectators and not wanting to provide healthcare facilities etc.

@aesma they couldn’t afford to ban the Olympics because of the fear of losing major advertising revenues, and their reputation too would have taken a big hit if it got delayed this year too. Furthermore the viewing audience of Olympics was way bigger than one F1 race can be, hence it was a simple decision in the end and I totally understand why the Japanese Government took it.

[Koal-84]

There is one bad and good thing about upcoming weekend:
Bad one - it's last weekend of summer.
And good one - F1 action is finally back in one of best tracks - Spa. And as always, there will be lot of orange fans supporting Verstappen Mclaren. But seriously, Max really need to win it after bad period, because gap to Hamilton may become too big.
So far weather dorecasts shows rain and low temperatures whole weekend. Unpredictable Spa weather may be big factor.

Hamilton has made a comeback from a big point difference and now he is ahead of Verstappen in the driver standings by 8 points. Verstappen got really unlucky in the last two races. And the situation was the opposite for Hamilton. He benefited from these chances superbly. Verstappen needs to concentrate on the next race in Spa. He should end the race as the winner absolutely to get in-form again.

I really want to see Verstappen becoming the champion at the end of the season. I think that it is his time now.

After the unconscionable failures of Verstappen it is hopefully time that Verstappen can show again what he really can and will beat Hamilton again to fight for the victory, SPA is a fast track and could favor the Mercedes a bit, even if the RedBull has already caught up in terms of TOP speed to the Mercedes compared to last year. It could be an exciting race coming up if a Mercedes does not shoot down Verstappen again.

I also hope that Verstappen will win the world title this year.

[aesma]

At Spa it's difficult to win if you don't have the fastest car, unless some event happens (weather, accident, bad strategy). So I expect Verstappen or Hamilton depending on what their car can do. If Hamilton is behind without having made a mistake, I see him letting Verstappen go. On the other hand if Verstappen is behind, I wouldn't be surprised to see him try some kamikaze move.

[SquallLeonhart]

After the unconscionable failures of Verstappen it is hopefully time that Verstappen can show again what he really can and will beat Hamilton again to fight for the victory, SPA is a fast track and could favor the Mercedes a bit, even if the RedBull has already caught up in terms of TOP speed to the Mercedes compared to last year. It could be an exciting race coming up if a Mercedes does not shoot down Verstappen again.

I also hope that Verstappen will win the world title this year.

I am not sure if Red Bull is just there yet when it comes to top speeds but they are good enough on turns that the difference is negligible and that is why Red Bull managed to win so many races this year. Plus, I believe that Mercedes is still by far the better car because Max is doing awesome but for too long that nobody who teams with him ended up racing any properly, I mean look at Perez, dude won a race from the last place last year with BWT and right now he is not even finishing in top 10 sometimes with a car like Red Bull.

So, it is all about how Max is getting better and angrier as well, I feel like unless there is a problem then we are  going to see Max win very easily again.

[Koal-84]

After the unconscionable failures of Verstappen it is hopefully time that Verstappen can show again what he really can and will beat Hamilton again to fight for the victory, SPA is a fast track and could favor the Mercedes a bit, even if the RedBull has already caught up in terms of TOP speed to the Mercedes compared to last year. It could be an exciting race coming up if a Mercedes does not shoot down Verstappen again.

I also hope that Verstappen will win the world title this year.

I am not sure if Red Bull is just there yet when it comes to top speeds but they are good enough on turns that the difference is negligible and that is why Red Bull managed to win so many races this year. Plus, I believe that Mercedes is still by far the better car because Max is doing awesome but for too long that nobody who teams with him ended up racing any properly, I mean look at Perez, dude won a race from the last place last year with BWT and right now he is not even finishing in top 10 sometimes with a car like Red Bull.

So, it is all about how Max is getting better and angrier as well, I feel like unless there is a problem then we are  going to see Max win very easily again.

I think Red Bull has the more balanced car this year and Mercedes is not as superior as the last 4 years, where only Hamilton and Bottas had a chance to win, Ferrari cheated a bit with the engine 2 years ago.

Verstappen is an excellent driver and maybe even better than Hamilton, in any case he is equal, Perez is also a very good driver but I think he doesn't get along with the car as well as Max, you have seen the last years with the other RedBull drivers how inferior they were with Max, it is not so bad with Perez.

Max also had a lot of bad luck in the last races, once a tyre damage and twice being shot down by Mercedes or caused by Mercedes.

[swogerino]

The greatest thing that will happen to Spa is going to be a wet race as by weather predictions which is showing rain in that location until at least Sunday night.This will greatly add adrenaline to the show and we know Hamilton is the king of wet races so far.It is going to be the most beautiful race of the season if the weather doesn't change and I doubt it will,all satellites showing rain on that day,can't wait till Sunday.

[coinlocket$]

There is an aura of mystery about the new engine that Ferrari will bring. The expectation is an increase in power of 10 horsepower derived from the optimization of the flow of gasoline and oil.
But people fail to understand why the need for a new engine for improvements that are not mechanical.
The new engine that should be an appetizer of the one for 2020 will debut at Monza

[tokeweed]

The greatest thing that will happen to Spa is going to be a wet race as by weather predictions which is showing rain in that location until at least Sunday night.This will greatly add adrenaline to the show and we know Hamilton is the king of wet races so far.It is going to be the most beautiful race of the season if the weather doesn't change and I doubt it will,all satellites showing rain on that day,can't wait till Sunday.

I hope not, esp if Verstappen is on pole.  Lol.  But yeah, just checked the weather forecast after reading your post and it looks like there’s a high probability of rain shower.  Sucks...  But I guess it’s good for an ‘Alonso top 6’ bet tho.  He’s at 4.95 to finish top 6 at Stake.    Seems like a decent value bet.

[Cnut237]

The greatest thing that will happen to Spa is going to be a wet race as by weather predictions which is showing rain in that location until at least Sunday night.This will greatly add adrenaline to the show and we know Hamilton is the king of wet races so far.It is going to be the most beautiful race of the season if the weather doesn't change and I doubt it will,all satellites showing rain on that day,can't wait till Sunday.

I hope not, esp if Verstappen is on pole.  Lol.  But yeah, just checked the weather forecast after reading your post and it looks like there’s a high probability of rain shower.  Sucks...  But I guess it’s good for an ‘Alonso top 6’ bet tho.  He’s at 4.95 to finish top 6 at Stake.    Seems like a decent value bet.

I really hope we can finally see a proper Verstappen-Hamilton battle that lasts the whole race. Mercedes brought an upgrade a couple of races ago, but because of the two crashes, we've not yet seen how their new pace compares with Verstappen in a Red Bull. Fingers crossed they are equally matched and we can see some exciting racing for the rest of the season. If they are equally matched, or close, then the second driver for each team comes into it as a tactical angle. How will the contract uncertainty around Bottas affect his driving? Does he have everything to prove, or is the decision already made?

[swogerino]

The greatest thing that will happen to Spa is going to be a wet race as by weather predictions which is showing rain in that location until at least Sunday night.This will greatly add adrenaline to the show and we know Hamilton is the king of wet races so far.It is going to be the most beautiful race of the season if the weather doesn't change and I doubt it will,all satellites showing rain on that day,can't wait till Sunday.

I hope not, esp if Verstappen is on pole.  Lol.  But yeah, just checked the weather forecast after reading your post and it looks like there’s a high probability of rain shower.  Sucks...  But I guess it’s good for an ‘Alonso top 6’ bet tho.  He’s at 4.95 to finish top 6 at Stake.    Seems like a decent value bet.

I think if he manages to get past the first corner in a wet race depending where he qualifies,I am pretty sure that is a very safe bet as he is going to use all his experience and his only rival in a wet race is Hamilton so that 4.95 odd is looking really great.Maybe I give a shot to it too but usually I do not want that the race view is impacted by my bet,I want to enjoy it stress free.

[Koal-84]

Now it is official we will see the 2 times Formula 1 World Champion Alonso also next year at Alpine. I'm happy for the fans and for Alonso that he drives another year, I'm curious whether Kimi also has the motivation to drive another year, Alsonso has clearly the faster car than Kimi.



https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alpine-confirm-fernando-alonso-will-stay-with-the-team-for-the-2022.5VIwD5DlmlkQ61diVNfITc.html

Very bad weather is predicted at the Belgian Grand Prix, which could be the next chaos race with many accidents, pit stops and unpredictable placings.

I hope this race luck is on Verstappen's side and he doesn't get shot down again and finishes without an accident.



https://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Belgium/Spa-Francorchamps-Circuit.aspx?sday=3




https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.whats-the-weather-forecast-for-the-2021-belgian-grand-prix.647d2hQR9hN7sHId6DW9UG.html

[aesma]

Sometimes there is a 100% chance of rain and still, no rain.

However the track should be green at every session so already that's a challenge.

Also keep in mind pole isn't key at Spa, you need a fast car for the race, however if the quali is rainy then I think the settings can be changed for a dry race (or the opposite).