[ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer

[cyberhacker]

How about we name the smallest unit as "Knievel" to salute EK? just like "satoshi"

 

Great idea ! Knievel Satoshi .

we do have a wechat group for xel.

i PMed you. cuz the group is full, have to invite you in personally.

[xtester]

How about we name the smallest unit as "Knievel" to salute EK? just like "satoshi"

Indeed, "Knievel" seems pretty cool and quite appropriate given EK's work.

I'd say, in lack of an serious objections, we should move with it. 

[mladen00]

Hope EK will approve it

[haggis]

How about we name the smallest unit as "Knievel" to salute EK? just like "satoshi"

 

I vote for just 'EK', don't want to confuse people. EK's sounds good too, easy to say.

EK = Elastic Knievel?  Sounds good to me 

[Bgjjj2016]

Could anyone tell me if Elastic platform can be used to mine Bitcoin,..... Yes or no , please explain.
Thank you!

[elelegzet]

Could anyone tell me if Elastic platform can be used to mine Bitcoin,..... Yes or no , please explain.
Thank you!

 Long story short: yes, but doesn't worth it (way too expansive).

[unvoid]

@EK i transferred 300000 XEL from "test" account, ready to setup supernode but need some guideline! how to become one?

btw. got this error, any idea? i was logged in with two accounts at the same time and tried to forge with both, maybe this helps.

Code:

2017-03-19 18:26:36 SEVERE: BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.processFork: Popped off block no longer acceptable: {"totalFeeNQT":100000000,"previousBlockHash":"783c6e3291e9f9061a66b329268be155acc418ef0545736fea9737c433410b0f","payloadLength":1795,"previousBlock":"502689643254135928","totalAmountNQT":30000000000000,"generationSignature":"6ea3050a53401278e3d9a22b3ec5dd2ff8174595db598d6b1795e12b80bbaf7b","generatorPublicKey":"d9d5c57971eefb085e3abaf7a5a4a6cdb8185f30105583cdb09ad8f61886ec65","payloadHash":"b2d88b636d9e0281046950db11043cb191791b35f4ad49ebede8477bab9df931","blockSignature":"e74e237595bf21c4a7747eaeb21d80494c0ae759f1fdf105db10835516db36010b229e55085c8b424a9c440fc732dd4fdebf46debe10ffcc597dc7f81229e3c3","transactions":[{"senderPublicKey":"26499adb002183f620f1364ebb6beed91ef95922a99ada8f048fecfd51e38b69","attachment":{"uris":["35.157.254.229"],"guardNodeBlockId":0,"version.HubAnnouncement":1},"subtype":1,"amountNQT":0,"signature":"4820a46f3d63c350e5a5069647ba546287272002c2c22911abc8f2105e86af041e953dc7d30f377910f1ce497db794debaa0cb53e0b95e0254937e0ed539d822","feeNQT":0,"ecBlockHeight":768,"type":1,"deadline":1440,"version":1,"timestamp":104631432,"ecBlockId":"10017830941401435743"},{"senderPublicKey":"26499adb002183f620f1364ebb6beed91ef95922a99ada8f048fecfd51e38b69","attachment":{"uris":["35.157.254.229"],"guardNodeBlockId":0,"version.HubAnnouncement":1},"subtype":1,"amountNQT":0,"signature":"f1a20a1a1d4f7eb5692fccd20cded201f1781c5a79023f170081a746a71daf08e60990dd4badd3e3a7aabe28fefe5dc808eb02790643e02f07edb276aa331a65","feeNQT":0,"ecBlockHeight":783,"type":1,"deadline":1440,"version":1,"timestamp":104632192,"ecBlockId":"6982645475151993818"},{"senderPublicKey":"26499adb002183f620f1364ebb6beed91ef95922a99ada8f048fecfd51e38b69","attachment":{"uris":["35.157.254.229"],"guardNodeBlockId":0,"version.HubAnnouncement":1},"subtype":1,"amountNQT":0,"signature":"d91773f84a8cdc3e58cdf1943a48c47004ba4cfc9d19278623d94b586df54c0438baa097ef4f17aab03924321cff9f7972a074b79ff59abdf233ca526c97185d","feeNQT":0,"ecBlockHeight":798,"type":1,"deadline":1440,"version":1,"timestamp":104633057,"ecBlockId":"11538795992776545502"},{"senderPublicKey":"26499adb002183f620f1364ebb6beed91ef95922a99ada8f048fecfd51e38b69","attachment":{"uris":["35.157.254.229"],"guardNodeBlockId":0,"version.HubAnnouncement":1},"subtype":1,"amountNQT":0,"signature":"fc470d9cfa44aaedb7d928104dc28ae377dbfc8ded5945b4b6eee15d6bbb3306b15d577e60d2593037915d8bd7a14cbb7d2af40a937527ffac7958345f871f6e","feeNQT":0,"ecBlockHeight":1383,"type":1,"deadline":1440,"version":1,"timestamp":104666202,"ecBlockId":"5908027510932552398"},{"senderPublicKey":"26499adb002183f620f1364ebb6beed91ef95922a99ada8f048fecfd51e38b69","attachment":{"uris":["35.157.254.229"],"guardNodeBlockId":0,"version.HubAnnouncement":1},"subtype":1,"amountNQT":0,"signature":"5af370e83336944ec9fa0f9f93ec32cd8769f6cf4a7b5025442602e3bcf2070cbe44055643223531cf05a541a94cf38a977bdd2305e51b14f12d4fd0ca8275ab","feeNQT":0,"ecBlockHeight":1398,"type":1,"deadline":1440,"version":1,"timestamp":104667012,"ecBlockId":"4374030131996885472"},{"senderPublicKey":"d9d5c57971eefb085e3abaf7a5a4a6cdb8185f30105583cdb09ad8f61886ec65","signature":"ec8f0187fc82b4a591317fe65249425aa7326ce752135d0bd595575e82c61c03c89ac94b79dbbf90ec6c536f8898e2f7837f1533ddcc182407e6eb6ec008706f","feeNQT":100000000,"type":0,"version":1,"ecBlockId":"18036849569196248673","attachment":{"version.OrdinaryPayment":0},"subtype":0,"amountNQT":30000000000000,"recipient":"4402706918520948520","ecBlockHeight":0,"deadline":1440,"timestamp":104667560}],"version":1,"timestamp":104667580}
nxt.BlockchainProcessor$BlockNotAcceptedException: Transaction signature verification failed at height 1399, block 16273560635020063837 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        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl.pushBlock(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:1583)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl.access$500(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:53)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.processFork(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:936)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.downloadBlockchain(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:612)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.downloadPeer(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:707)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.run(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:963)
        at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:511)
        at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.runAndReset(FutureTask.java:308)
        at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.access$301(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:180)
        at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:294)
        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1142)
        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:617)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:745)
2017-03-19 18:26:36 SEVERE: BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.downloadPeer: Error in blockchain download thread
java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.downloadPeer(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:769)
        at nxt.BlockchainProcessorImpl$1.run(BlockchainProcessorImpl.java:963)
        at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:511)
        at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.runAndReset(FutureTask.java:308)
        at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.access$301(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:180)
        at java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$ScheduledFutureTask.run(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:294)
        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1142)
        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:617)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:745)

Looks like same problem as mine. Signature verification fails at block 1399 and our nodes blacklist @EK nodes. Something wierd happened at block 1399.

[clivemy]

Could anyone tell me if Elastic platform can be used to mine Bitcoin,..... Yes or no , please explain.
Thank you!

 Long story short: yes, but doesn't worth it (way too expansive).

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

[elelegzet]

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

 General coding knowledge. It's turing complete, so any action is possible.

[Soul_eater_123]

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

It's pretty simple.  It is no longer profitable to GPU or CPU mine bitcoins.  With elastic you will be buying other people's computing power to carry out computations.  Unless you can get it to integrate ASICs in some way then it would not be cost effective - that is unlikely to happen since ASICs only do one specific task and there would be little point.

[coralreefer]

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

 General coding knowledge. It's turing complete, so any action is possible.

Wrong, ElasticPL is not Turing Complete

[mr.coinzy]

(Meanwhile in Golem land the cap is @~40 mill $ !! - great Hors d'oeuvres for future main dish xel  )

[Evil-Knievel]

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

 General coding knowledge. It's turing complete, so any action is possible.

Wrong, ElasticPL is not Turing Complete

Exactly. Also, just as a reminder, Ethereum is not Turing complete as well ... no idea why people still claim it. I can easily write down an algorithm that can be represented by a Turing machine but definitely not be executed in the Ethereum network.

EDIT:

Assuming an SHA3 operation has gas costs of 20 szabo (read it in some tutorial) and we have a total ETH supply of 89945794410000 szabo.

If someone shows me, that the following pseudocode algorithm (yes, it can be executed on a Turing machine) can be executed on the ethereum network in one go, I will personally tattoo his name on my back.

Code:

t="d"; for(int i=0;i<89945794410000/20 + 1; ++i) t=SHA3(t);

[cryptoboy.architect]

Can I ask how you know this?  Do you know what other actions Elastic can perform?

 General coding knowledge. It's turing complete, so any action is possible.

Wrong, ElasticPL is not Turing Complete

Exactly. Also, just as a reminder, Ethereum is not Turing complete as well ... no idea why people still claim it. I can easily write down an algorithm that can be represented by a Turing machine but definitely not be executed in the Ethereum network.

EDIT:

Assuming an SHA3 operation has gas costs of 20 szabo (read it in some tutorial) and we have a total ETH supply of 89945794410000 szabo.

If someone shows me, that the following pseudocode algorithm (yes, it can be executed on a Turing machine) can be executed on the ethereum network in one go, I will personally tattoo his name on my back.

Code:

t="d"; for(int i=0;i<89945794410000/20 + 1; ++i) t=SHA3(t);

Can you execute it in Elastic? It's a bit of a large number for the loop.

[Alondre]

If someone shows me, that the following pseudocode algorithm (yes, it can be executed on a Turing machine) can be executed on the ethereum network in one go, I will personally tattoo his name on my back.

Code:

t="d"; for(int i=0;i<89945794410000/20 + 1; ++i) t=SHA3(t);

Beware of the promises you make .. there are times when we are wrong

[tiaozhanziwo]

This item seems perfect.

[Bgjjj2016]

This item seems perfect.

Elastic is perfect because it has perfect devs.

[klintay]

How about we name the smallest unit as "Knievel" to salute EK? just like "satoshi"

 

Great idea ! Knievel Satoshi .

we do have a wechat group for xel.

i PMed you. cuz the group is full, have to invite you in personally.

Yeah add me to the wechat group too
Sent you a PM

[Saturday97]

How many BTC were originaly collected here? I recall something around 70...team did quit good in regard to the budget they had..

[Alohaboy?!]

How many BTC were originaly collected here? I recall something around 70...team did quit good in regard to the budget they had..

700+