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March 01, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
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Today...Launch of mainnet?

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March 01, 2017, 10:47:19 PM
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The more I read comments regarding the SuperNodes (and there are many good ones out there), the more I feel that the initial release of XEL should not include SuperNodes.  Although, I think the community will find out quickly that XEL really needs the SNs (i.e. I doubt any exchanges will even list XEL w/o them because it now means they are processing ElasticPL work in their exchange). 

There are just too many open questions and too much uncertainty being expressed here.  In my opinion it will take a couple of months to fully vet out all these design questions and deploy a fully tested SN solution.

But I have no say in this...I'm just observing what is going on.
Hi Coralreefer, first of all, thank you for your hard work ! I think the uncertainty around SN is mostly because some of us ( like myself) are not tech savvy. We don't know ( in plain language) the pros and cons of having ( being) a SN. Is SN for regular people or tech experts ? Also, the fear of making mistake and losing 250K is also a big concern. How can this be avoided ? I appreciate if you could shed some light on these concerns in plain English  Grin

Bgjjj2016, I missed this post earlier. 

 - From a user perspective, the advantage of running a SN is that you will receive a percentage of all mining rewards.
 - From a community perspective, we would need enough SNs running so that all active miners can have their work quickly validated...this will obviously depend on network size.
 - It's really up to the individual if they run one...but honestly, I would think there would only be about 10 to 100 running...it's not meant to replace the miners...it's just people that want to support the network and goal of xel.

I completely agree with the concern around the potential to lose 250K xel...I personally think the network would need some extended testing to prove to all of us that this is implemented correctly.

Again the main reason for the SNs is that the core client (the java code you run for your wallet) is used to secure the network and process transactions.  Unlike other coins, we don't have a fixed POW algorithm...I could easily come up with something where the POW / Bounty validation takes 1 full second.  Now think about the core server having to process all the wallet transactions as well as having to potentially solve 100s or 1000s of these validations dumped on it...it would bring the network to it's knees...this is where the concept of the SN came from (we probably should have chosen a different name as it has nothing to do with securing the network like other coins)...we were just moving all the validation logic out of the core client (i.e. wallet).

If we don't have SNs, we would just have to limit the size / complexity of the work that xel can do (which in turn limits its usefulness to those needing problems solved).

Regarding the suggestion to add a flag to allow the wallet to not process ElasticPL work...I still think its a good short term fix (but my vote doesn't count as I don't work on the core client)...but my guess is the reason this flag didn't exist in the first place is...what if everyone turned that flag off...then there would be no one to process ElasticPL jobs and the xel concept is dead.  Or maybe a more realistic scenario...let's say you want to run a POW miner and you have 10 Peers, but all those Peers have the flag off...even though everyone else in the network may be processing ElasticPL jobs, you would be out of luck as a miner because your peers cannot support you.

Hopefully this answers your questions, but unfortunately I know little to nothing about coding p2p networks so I am of little help here as the open SN questions are mostly network related.
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March 01, 2017, 11:51:56 PM
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Coralreefer, thank you for your thorough and easy to understand explanation. Smiley

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Is anyone planning to start a supernode hosting service? I have enough coins but not the skills or hardware, happy to do a revenue sharing deal.
what are the benefits and setbacks ( pros/cons) of being a supernode?

Pro - earn % of fees
Con - costs of running a SN, risk of getting hacked


Is anyone planning to start a supernode hosting service? I have enough coins but not the skills or hardware, happy to do a revenue sharing deal.
Call me a bit too negative - but i don't think that someone would get up with this because if the supernode fails your coins are gone and i guess you don't want that to happen - but the 'SN-Administrator' which got the hardware and 'skills' wouln't take risk to compensate you that much - if he said so we would have a big usecase for a smartcontract maybe (yeah - i never had, until now, an real-life-fully-automatisationable-usecase for such a contract without ANY third party confirming it  Cheesy ) in ETH
Maybe such a process could get implemented in the future:
Admin of the node sends the compensating amount to a locked adress (if you don't accept the amount it would be charged back a week later) - if you accept the contract - the amount would ne locked for a predefined time if the node fails (not reachable for x seconds or something like this) you get this amont - otherwise the admin would get a Full chargeback after the predefined time.

I meant: For now you could use eth - later such a function could get implemented.

There may not be a viable case for a non tech guy like myself trying to generate some income from a SN, but it's a nice idea to explore none the less. If it were possible to lease coins to another account like NXT then hack risk is mitigated, and if a long standing community member with good rep ran a pool then probably no need for complications from smart contracts etc. NXT has a forging pool based on leased balances, and it's worked well, and allowed smaller holders and non tech people to still contribute, which is good imo.

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March 02, 2017, 01:50:26 AM
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Today...Launch of mainnet?
No, when everything is finished EK will tell us and than i think We should Test vor atleast a week

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March 02, 2017, 03:06:56 AM
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No, when everything is finished EK will tell us and than i think We should Test vor atleast a week

What's preventing us from testing right now? Why not run testnet continuously until it seems stable?
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March 02, 2017, 03:09:23 AM
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Hi, I Cross-compiling  Elastic Miner for Windows from Linux and refer with https://github.com/sgminer-dev/sgminer/blob/master/doc/windows-build.txt .

When I execute
Code:
CPPFLAGS="-I`pwd`/../../win32/include" LDFLAGS="-L`pwd`/../../win32/lib -lcurldll" ../autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local/i586-mingw32 --host=i586-mingw32msvc --build=i686-linux
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Code:
bash: ../autogen.sh: no such file or directory
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How can I fix this?
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March 02, 2017, 05:34:06 AM
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Will XEL launch soon? Do they launch with a working product, or only the token?
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March 02, 2017, 05:49:03 AM
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Will XEL launch soon? Do they launch with a working product, or only the token?
Definitely working product ! Our devs have been working on this project for 12 months already.

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Hi, I Cross-compiling  Elastic Miner for Windows from Linux and refer with https://github.com/sgminer-dev/sgminer/blob/master/doc/windows-build.txt .

When I execute
Code:
CPPFLAGS="-I`pwd`/../../win32/include" LDFLAGS="-L`pwd`/../../win32/lib -lcurldll" ../autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local/i586-mingw32 --host=i586-mingw32msvc --build=i686-linux
, terminal show me
Code:
bash: ../autogen.sh: no such file or directory
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How can I fix this?

The miner uses cmake.  You need to follow the instructions on the github to build the miner.  The sgminer instructions were just to show you how to install mingw and it's packages.
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@coralreefer Thanks, I got it. Smiley
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Hope we get the materials soon so translations and PR would start . Roll Eyes

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March 03, 2017, 11:42:05 AM
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Hope we get the materials soon so translations and PR would start . Roll Eyes
Who will do work for PR? community's plan / dev's plan?

To hire a Security Engineer, contact me.
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Hope we get the materials soon so translations and PR would start . Roll Eyes
Who will do work for PR? community's plan / dev's plan?
community! Waiting for the materials to get the PR going.

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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
its unusual though, we haven't heard from EK for 4 days. Hope he's ok !

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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
its unusual though, we haven't heard from EK for 4 days. Hope he's ok !

keep calm, he wrote here yesterday.   Tongue
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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
its unusual though, we haven't heard from EK for 4 days. Hope he's ok !

keep calm, he wrote here yesterday.   Tongue

can´t find a post from yesterday, but:

Last Active:    Today at 09:57:18 AM

don´t worry!
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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
its unusual though, we haven't heard from EK for 4 days. Hope he's ok !

keep calm, he wrote here yesterday.   Tongue
sorry , my bad ! But I don't see anything after 2/27.  Smiley

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I will be happy to assist with pr or additional issues when/if possible.
its unusual though, we haven't heard from EK for 4 days. Hope he's ok !

keep calm, he wrote here yesterday.   Tongue
sorry , my bad ! But I don't see anything after 2/27.  Smiley

EK has the habit to write stuff and to delete it right away.  Grin
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