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May 08, 2017, 11:47:28 AM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

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May 08, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
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most senior members here agree for not launching a lite client I see and I agree Cheesy

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That's a speculation. Lets vote o elasticracy.


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May 08, 2017, 11:50:02 AM
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most senior members here agree for not launching a lite client I see and I agree Cheesy

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That's a speculation. Lets vote o elasticracy.



Senior members do not necessarily equate to investors.

Let's vote and do this democratically.
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May 08, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

It would be great if you could do that Unvoid.

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May 08, 2017, 11:53:51 AM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

I definitely do think that we do need to reach an agreement on what is required for stable base version and what we should strive to supply in the future as a fully viable system, and I think that the most eligible person to give insights to this matter is EK.
 
EK can you please give us your opinion on these important issues?

then we can define poll options
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May 08, 2017, 11:58:03 AM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

I definitely do think that we do need to reach an agreement on what is required for stable base version and what we should strive to supply in the future as a fully viable system, and I think that the most eligible person to give insights to this matter is EK.
 
EK can you please give us your opinion on these important issues?

then we can define poll options
EK's message on page 286
" Well, I am not launching (and will never be launching) anything but if the majority wants a light client launched with just the basic coin transfer functions armed, I would offer my assistance in implementing such functionality for whoever feels empowered to get the ball rolling. Maybe a democratic vote would be the right thing here? "

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May 08, 2017, 11:59:18 AM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

I definitely do think that we do need to reach an agreement on what is required for stable base version and what we should strive to supply in the future as a fully viable system, and I think that the most eligible person to give insights to this matter is EK.
 
EK can you please give us your opinion on these important issues?

then we can define poll options

Exactly!
We should first deliberate and discuss what are our options and how they are outlined, and then, and only then, cast our votes on the option we wish to choose.
(Seems some people here sat on some extra spicy chilly...   hold your horses and let us do this the smart way for the common benefit of everyone involved)
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May 08, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

Voting was EKs proposal.

Well, I am not launching (and will never be launching) anything but if the majority wants a light client launched with just the basic coin transfer functions armed, I would offer my assistance in implementing such functionality for whoever feels empowered to get the ball rolling. Maybe a democratic vote would be the right thing here?

And said he would vote "no" Wink

So if someone starts a vote, I will vote for no. But if yes wins, I can assist with coding (not launching).

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May 08, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

I definitely do think that we do need to reach an agreement on what is required for stable base version and what we should strive to supply in the future as a fully viable system, and I think that the most eligible person to give insights to this matter is EK.
 
EK can you please give us your opinion on these important issues?

then we can define poll options

Exactly!
We should first deliberate and discuss what are our options and how they are outlined, and then, and only then, cast our votes on the option we wish to choose.
(Seems some people here sat on some extra spicy chilly...   hold your horses and let us do this the smart way for the common benefit of everyone involved)

Yup, had some chilli pesto pasta last night Wink

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May 08, 2017, 12:04:50 PM
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Unvoid, could you please set up the voting for the Lite wallet ?

Hold on - not that easy.

Let's wait for EK's opinion on this

I definitely do think that we do need to reach an agreement on what is required for stable base version and what we should strive to supply in the future as a fully viable system, and I think that the most eligible person to give insights to this matter is EK.
 
EK can you please give us your opinion on these important issues?

then we can define poll options

Exactly!
We should first deliberate and discuss what are our options and how they are outlined, and then, and only then, cast our votes on the option we wish to choose.
(Seems some people here sat on some extra spicy chilly...   hold your horses and let us do this the smart way for the common benefit of everyone involved)
your extra spicy chilly comment is very humorous. We should have a " Humor " section on the XEL website Grin

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May 08, 2017, 12:08:59 PM
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Voting when made, should include not only the option for a lite client that only has transfer capabilities, but also other options such as an mvp - a product that has some of the capabilities we want in the system but not fully featured.
This issue was not discussed with EK and should be talked about here and receive some agreement before any voting is made.
When you talk about having a democratic vote it is not enough to have the option to vote, it is also important to supply enough voting options that give everyone their option to voice their opinion.

The way I see it we do not need to go  only black or white (black being a launch with a lite client that can only transfer coins, and white being a launch with a fully working all feature included system - hence my suggestion for gray - MVP - let us agree what it should include and what should be offered later after release).
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May 08, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
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Voting when made, should include not only the option for a lite client that only has transfer capabilities, but also other options such as an mvp - a product that has some of the capabilities we want in the system but not fully featured.
This issue was not discussed with EK and should be talked about here and receive some agreement before any voting is made.
When you talk about having a democratic vote it is not enough to have the option to vote, it is also important to supply enough voting options that give everyone their option to voice their opinion.

The way I see it we do not need to go  only black or white (black being a launch with a lite client that can only transfer coins, and white being a launch with a fully working all feature included system - hence my suggestion for gray - MVP - let us agree what it should include and what should be offered later after release).
This sounds like a better plan .

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May 08, 2017, 12:23:40 PM
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Voting when made, should include not only the option for a lite client that only has transfer capabilities, but also other options such as an mvp - a product that has some of the capabilities we want in the system but not fully featured.
This issue was not discussed with EK and should be talked about here and receive some agreement before any voting is made.
When you talk about having a democratic vote it is not enough to have the option to vote, it is also important to supply enough voting options that give everyone their option to voice their opinion.

The way I see it we do not need to go  only black or white (black being a launch with a lite client that can only transfer coins, and white being a launch with a fully working all feature included system - hence my suggestion for gray - MVP - let us agree what it should include and what should be offered later after release).

If you can define what a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) is and how long it will take to reach it.......    
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May 08, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
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Voting when made, should include not only the option for a lite client that only has transfer capabilities, but also other options such as an mvp - a product that has some of the capabilities we want in the system but not fully featured.
This issue was not discussed with EK and should be talked about here and receive some agreement before any voting is made.
When you talk about having a democratic vote it is not enough to have the option to vote, it is also important to supply enough voting options that give everyone their option to voice their opinion.

The way I see it we do not need to go  only black or white (black being a launch with a lite client that can only transfer coins, and white being a launch with a fully working all feature included system - hence my suggestion for gray - MVP - let us agree what it should include and what should be offered later after release).

Yep, let's wait for EK then

I think 3 options would be enough:
(1) Basic wallet with transfer feature
(2) Minimum-featured stable wallet - to be defined
(3) Maximum-featured stable wallet - to be defined

For options (2) and (3) we would need to know possible ETAs
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May 08, 2017, 12:30:46 PM
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Voting when made, should include not only the option for a lite client that only has transfer capabilities, but also other options such as an mvp - a product that has some of the capabilities we want in the system but not fully featured.
This issue was not discussed with EK and should be talked about here and receive some agreement before any voting is made.
When you talk about having a democratic vote it is not enough to have the option to vote, it is also important to supply enough voting options that give everyone their option to voice their opinion.

The way I see it we do not need to go  only black or white (black being a launch with a lite client that can only transfer coins, and white being a launch with a fully working all feature included system - hence my suggestion for gray - MVP - let us agree what it should include and what should be offered later after release).

If you can define what a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) is and how long it will take to reach it.......    

As I stated earlier, I would really like to hear EK's take on this matter. I think that as a trusted person, who knows this system the most intimately and being the main core dev, he can help us understand where we stand, what we could expect and possible time frames we could be talking about to reach such state.
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May 08, 2017, 12:48:34 PM
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Let's be clear. What is the point about launching a transfer only wallet version?

I need an answer to this very simple question:

What is the reasoning any investor would like to do that if he doesn't want to sell/dump coins?

Price will obviously not increase versus launching a full capable client in the future.
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May 08, 2017, 12:52:44 PM
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Let's be clear. What is the point about launching a transfer only wallet version?

I need an answer to this very simple question:

What is the reasoning any investor would like to do that if he doesn't want to sell/dump coins?

Price will obviously not increase versus launching a full capable client in the future.


There's a very simple answer to that.  

By allowing those that want to dump to get out, you allow fresh blood to come in.  

Like devs, testers, PR people, who can then have a financial stake in the success of the project.

What we have currently is a mass of investors, but a deficit of devs, testers and PR people.  Let's get rid of some of the former to make way for some of the latter.
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May 08, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
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Let's be clear. What is the point about launching a transfer only wallet

Nothing but p&d. Ability to create an opportunity to buy in late and relatively cheap for non-donators by creating FUD and play the trade game.

A waste of time for donators and developers.
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May 08, 2017, 12:57:45 PM
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Thus my suggestion to consider an MVP as the minimal launch point so we can at least launch with some of the functionalities and have some advantages over other projects that still did not deliver anything but promise to do so.
(Regarding what the mvp should include and when it can be achieved, see previous comments)
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May 08, 2017, 12:57:46 PM
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Let's be clear. What is the point about launching a transfer only wallet version?

I need an answer to this very simple question:

What is the reasoning any investor would like to do that if he doesn't want to sell/dump coins?

Price will obviously not increase versus launching a full capable client in the future.


I think it's wrong to imply that folks that want a Lite-version are only interested in dumping/cheap coins/whatever.

The argument pro LV is to attract more attention and more developers.

Though i think that you cannot add other devs to the project just like that, it's not a matter of giving funds or XEL to some guy and go: Let's work!

To integrate external/new developers into such a difficult project as Elastic isn't easy and i had always the impression that EK should finish a first version and then (with slower speed of development) we could integrate new devs.

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