Is science a religion?

[Tusk]

A religion must include a god and a place of worship. Science has neither. If you believe in science you are an athiest. Scientology isnt a religion either, it is more of a cult

But the definition of "religion" doesn't say that a god is a requirement of religion. However, the activities and thinking of mankind in his presumptuousness, suggests that mankind makes himself out as though he were a god. So, religion always has a god, even though the definition doesn't require it.

Your definition doesn't. But as pointed out many times before, the standard dictionaries (those that existed long before "dictionary.com") have definitions of religion that include terms such as "supernatural belief" and "god or gods" in their definitions.

Mathematics is supernatural

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[BADecker]

A religion must include a god and a place of worship. Science has neither. If you believe in science you are an athiest. Scientology isnt a religion either, it is more of a cult

But the definition of "religion" doesn't say that a god is a requirement of religion. However, the activities and thinking of mankind in his presumptuousness, suggests that mankind makes himself out as though he were a god. So, religion always has a god, even though the definition doesn't require it.

Your definition doesn't. But as pointed out many times before, the standard dictionaries (those that existed long before "dictionary.com") have definitions of religion that include terms such as "supernatural belief" and "god or gods" in their definitions.

If you want to go by the ancient dictionaries, move into the past. The present dictionaries are the language of today.

There are many words that come into being because someone made them up, and people started to catch on to them, until they were recognized as words. Such words are the language of the day. This is Dictionary.com... the language of the day.

Use it, or build a time machine and go back into the past. Of course, if you did that, you'd be strung up for proclaiming your atheism.

[BADecker]

Isn't a spammer should be ban in any forum? As I see there's no evidence nor facts presented and that would be equal to an opinionated spam. Because the cycle is just keep on repeater. Refuted>Make an escape loop>Answer with another safe escape. Right badecker?

 

I don't know everything there is to know. I'm waiting for these guys to come back with something that could clearly debate the few strong points I make. If we let them go on with their spam, they will either show themselves to be foolish, or they will come up with some clear answers.

[BADecker]

Isn't a spammer should be ban in any forum? As I see there's no evidence nor facts presented and that would be equal to an opinionated spam. Because the cycle is just keep on repeater. Refuted>Make an escape loop>Answer with another safe escape. Right badecker?

 

To be fair the whole forum should get together and have a pact to just ignore him. Once nobody is listening to him, he'll goto another forum to spread his lies.

The problem is that most of the people in the forum are looking for something that makes sense.

The things that I say make sense.

The only thing that you say, that you make sense, is proven to be wrong by what you say.

[Jmild1]

Isn't a spammer should be ban in any forum? As I see there's no evidence nor facts presented and that would be equal to an opinionated spam. Because the cycle is just keep on repeater. Refuted>Make an escape loop>Answer with another safe escape. Right badecker?

 

To be fair the whole forum should get together and have a pact to just ignore him. Once nobody is listening to him, he'll goto another forum to spread his lies.

The problem is that most of the people in the forum are looking for something that makes sense.

The things that I say make sense.

The only thing that you say, that you make sense, is proven to be wrong by what you say.

Make sense in your own perspective, we're giving you clear answers but you just make an escape hole to prove something on your end without even presenting the facts you imply and just repeating ur analogies over and over. So instead of wasting the time and the energy to type better to ignore you but I can see that your getting farther with your spammy post so I just remind people that spam is not allowed on this forum.

 

[BADecker]

Isn't a spammer should be ban in any forum? As I see there's no evidence nor facts presented and that would be equal to an opinionated spam. Because the cycle is just keep on repeater. Refuted>Make an escape loop>Answer with another safe escape. Right badecker?

 

To be fair the whole forum should get together and have a pact to just ignore him. Once nobody is listening to him, he'll goto another forum to spread his lies.

The problem is that most of the people in the forum are looking for something that makes sense.

The things that I say make sense.

The only thing that you say, that you make sense, is proven to be wrong by what you say.

Make sense in your own perspective, we're giving you clear answers but you just make an escape hole to prove something on your end without even presenting the facts you imply and just repeating ur analogies over and over. So instead of wasting the time and the energy to type better to ignore you but I can see that your getting farther with your spammy post so I just remind people that spam is not allowed on this forum.

 

What exactly are you saying here? I use the dictionary and the examples of science to show that science is a religion. Do you think that I wrote the dictionary? Did I make science up?

You don't like to hear the truth as it resounds in your head after you read the dictionary and the description of "science." So you call me spammy because you don't like the truth that is out there for everyone to see.

Well, this is a forum. So, that's okay. Push your head into the hole so you can't see anything except your own ignorance. As long as your welfare check keeps coming in, it doesn't matter much, does it?

[organofcorti]

A religion must include a god and a place of worship. Science has neither. If you believe in science you are an athiest. Scientology isnt a religion either, it is more of a cult

But the definition of "religion" doesn't say that a god is a requirement of religion. However, the activities and thinking of mankind in his presumptuousness, suggests that mankind makes himself out as though he were a god. So, religion always has a god, even though the definition doesn't require it.

Your definition doesn't. But as pointed out many times before, the standard dictionaries (those that existed long before "dictionary.com") have definitions of religion that include terms such as "supernatural belief" and "god or gods" in their definitions.

If you want to go by the ancient dictionaries, move into the past. The present dictionaries are the language of today.

There are many words that come into being because someone made them up, and people started to catch on to them, until they were recognized as words. Such words are the language of the day. This is Dictionary.com... the language of the day.

Use it, or build a time machine and go back into the past. Of course, if you did that, you'd be strung up for proclaiming your atheism.

OK then, let's see what this arbiter of good sense (that apparently promoting Astrology on it's main page today) has to say about "religion":

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
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Examples Word Origin
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noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

Idioms
9.
get religion, Informal.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways:
The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

British Dictionary definitions for religion Expand
religion
/rɪˈlɪdʒən/
noun
1.
belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2.
any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
3.
the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4.
(mainly RC Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
5.
something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
6.
(archaic)
the practice of sacred ritual observances
sacred rites and ceremonies
Word Origin
C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind

Well I never! A bunch of definitions referring to the supernatural! Who would have thought it? Even BADecker's own stacked deck refers to the supernatural.

My definition of a religion fits in with *all* the Dictionary.com definitions. Your definition of a religion does not.

[Tusk]

The entomology etymology of words (studying their root) is a fascinating subject that can often reveal just as much about our past if not more than archaeology.



Here are some amazing presentations on the subject by Jose Barrera that are mind blowing,  illustrating how science and the priestly class were synonymous and demonstrates the continued use of these ancient rituals and sigils in society today.

demonstration (n.) Look up demonstration at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "proof that something is true," from Old French demonstration or directly from Latin demonstrationem (nominative demonstratio), noun of action from past participle stem of demonstrare "to point out, indicate, demonstrate," figuratively, "to prove, establish," from de- "entirely" (see de-) + monstrare "to point out, show," from monstrum "divine omen, wonder" (see monster). Meaning "public show of feeling," usually with a mass meeting and a procession, is from 1839. Related: Demonstrational.

Alchemy and the Endocrine System - an interview with Jose Barrera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3eancQx5pI&list=PLJ0S88eyUTlYCsGkm8QLBQW-CRX73qr9V&index=5

The Magical Foundations of Society part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpMIGxNDQU&list=PLJ0S88eyUTlYCsGkm8QLBQW-CRX73qr9V&index=1


"The Magical Foundations of Society" part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dktpWqwVaPI&list=PLJ0S88eyUTlYCsGkm8QLBQW-CRX73qr9V&index=2

"The Magical Foundations of Society" part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctnCImCFo-s&index=3&list=PLJ0S88eyUTlYCsGkm8QLBQW-CRX73qr9V

Science is the study of that which is consistent about our experiences.
Art is the creative stimulation of emotional responses, through skilfully manipulating the five senses.
Magic is the ability to induce premeditated, automotive emotional responses in others through art. Together with the combination of ritual the results are more profound and compelling.

White Magic appeals to empathy and the interests of all. Black Magic appeals to the predatory interests of a few at the expense of others.

[gilangIDR]

science is not a religion. science is a technology. religion and technology is clearly different. religion is a relationship between a man and his beliefs. while science is simply a world power shortly.

[organofcorti]

<snip>The entomology of words (studying their root) is a fascinating subject that can often reveal just as much about our past if not more than archaeology.</snip>

You mean etymology, right? "Entomology" is the study of insects.

[Tusk]

<snip>The entomology of words (studying their root) is a fascinating subject that can often reveal just as much about our past if not more than archaeology.</snip>

You mean etymology, right? "Entomology" is the study of insects.

My bad, yes etymology the origin and development of words.

[Saksham]

Not quite...
Religion, is as has been, and continues to be proven to be... An aspect of science, waiting to be explained as such! Until then, its classified as religion or belief.

[Jasad]

While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         

makes sense,people who think with logic and dont believe to religion,its called they believe to scince and only trust anything happen with explanation,but i think its not officially called as religion,because atheis can be called as religion if acience is religion.

[BADecker]

Besides, Big Bang has a tad of corny math to it, but neglects the possibilities of thousands of other math calc that could negate it. Big Bang is one of the most supernatural things that science has come up with yet.

[organofcorti]

Besides, Big Bang has a tad of corny math to it, but neglects the possibilities of thousands of other math calc that could negate it. Big Bang is one of the most supernatural things that science has come up with yet.

This seems like you've taken someone else's opinion and made it your own. If not, can you explain this statement for us (who aren't familiar with Big Bang physics)?

[BADecker]

Besides, Big Bang has a tad of corny math to it, but neglects the possibilities of thousands of other math calc that could negate it. Big Bang is one of the most supernatural things that science has come up with yet.

This seems like you've taken someone else's opinion and made it your own. If not, can you explain this statement for us (who aren't familiar with Big Bang physics)?

Perhaps when you were a child you went to school. If not as a child, then somewhere along the line you learned how to speak, how to write, how to do the many things that you learned how to do. When you learned the basics of atheism, you might have said something like, "That's the way I believe. I never heard anyone say it like that before. It is true. From now on I will follow it until someone shows me something better."

Nobody, not even you, have all the concepts that you will ever have, already built clearly into yourself. Somewhere along the line you will find new things out, or you will find some of the things you think said clearly enough that they form a better basis for your thinking.

The fact that Big Bang is just one of possibly thousands or more of ways that the universe might have come into being, is something that has always been known, though seldom said. The fact that Big Bang theory doesn't dispel multitudes of other possibilities, has always been truth. The fact that it hasn't been said often doesn't make it untruth.

The fact of God-creation is way more logical than Big Bang creation. One major reason is that Big Bang doesn't have any method for suggesting the fact of the intelligence that now exists, but God-creation does.

[organofcorti]

Besides, Big Bang has a tad of corny math to it, but neglects the possibilities of thousands of other math calc that could negate it. Big Bang is one of the most supernatural things that science has come up with yet.

This seems like you've taken someone else's opinion and made it your own. If not, can you explain this statement for us (who aren't familiar with Big Bang physics)?

Perhaps when you were a child you went to school. If not as a child, then somewhere along the line you learned how to speak, how to write, how to do the many things that you learned how to do. When you learned the basics of atheism, you might have said something like, "That's the way I believe. I never heard anyone say it like that before. It is true. From now on I will follow it until someone shows me something better."

Nobody, not even you, have all the concepts that you will ever have, already built clearly into yourself. Somewhere along the line you will find new things out, or you will find some of the things you think said clearly enough that they form a better basis for your thinking.

The fact that Big Bang is just one of possibly thousands or more of ways that the universe might have come into being, is something that has always been known, though seldom said. The fact that Big Bang theory doesn't dispel multitudes of other possibilities, has always been truth. The fact that it hasn't been said often doesn't make it untruth.

The fact of God-creation is way more logical than Big Bang creation. One major reason is that Big Bang doesn't have any method for suggesting the fact of the intelligence that now exists, but God-creation does.

OK, so what exactly were you referring to when you wrote:

Big Bang has a tad of corny math to it, but neglects the possibilities of thousands of other math calc that could negate it.

Which branch of maths in particular is "corny" and which other branches of math "negate" the "corny" math?

[iqlimasyadiqa]

science is not religion. science is a field of science that studies the science on this earth. while religion is a spiritual bond between man and his god. it was clearly different.

[BADecker]

science is not religion. science is a field of science that studies the science on this earth. while religion is a spiritual bond between man and his god. it was clearly different.

As long as science keeps on making up these fantastic theories, and then believing them to be true without proof, and barely any evidence, they are pushing science into the realm of strong religion.

[Buffer Overflow]

As long as science keeps on making up these fantastic theories, and then believing them to be true without proof, and barely any evidence, they are pushing science into the realm of strong religion.

Well this is a refreshing change. At least your admitting that a strong religion like Christianity is based upon no proof and barely any evidence.

Maybe we're managing to pry those tightly shut eyes of yours open at long last. Just a tad mind, but least it's a start.  Well done!