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March 30, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         

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March 30, 2016, 08:54:16 PM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         


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March 30, 2016, 10:21:22 PM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

Do you smoke your weed before or after reading from your holy book?

From the nonsense you posted, I conclude you are a Muslim.

Eternal masterpiece?  Shoot, the weed you are smoking is gooood.

Our universe the most hostile environment to life that you could imagine.  

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Hostile environment!? Hehehe. How many species of life are there on earth? Thousands, maybe millions. Even if we set off all our nukes at strategic locations, at least many forms of microbes and plant life, and probably some animal life, would survive.

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March 30, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.          

Do you smoke your weed before or after reading from your holy book?

From the nonsense you posted, I conclude you are a Muslim.

Eternal masterpiece?  Shoot, the weed you are smoking is gooood.

Our universe the most hostile environment to life that you could imagine.  

Mwahahahahaha!   Talk about smoking weed.

Hostile environment!? Hehehe. How many species of life are there on earth? Thousands, maybe millions. Even if we set off all our nukes at strategic locations, at least many forms of microbes and plant life, and probably some animal life, would survive.

Shoot, the weed you are smoking really IS gooood.

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March 30, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
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Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.
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March 30, 2016, 11:20:50 PM
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Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.

Except for one thing. The definition of "science."

Within the definition of science as it is defined among scientists, is science theory. Science theory might seem to be fact, it might have lots of evidence, but it is not fact necessarily. When science theory is heralded and believed to be fact, when it is known that it might not be fact, it becomes religion. And in that way science is religion.

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March 31, 2016, 02:45:38 AM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         
well big bang is just a theory, we didn't know if big bang ever happened.

I think atheists even have a God, their mind and science, because they always use their brain to make a statement, so they make mind and science as God, but that's not a religion.

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March 31, 2016, 03:46:50 AM
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March 31, 2016, 03:47:26 AM
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Science is just another belief system, and like any belief system it can be abused. Before anyone starts flipping out I am not denying science has value or saying it is not valid. The problem with science is it is a fact that most people do not KNOW anything about it. Science is based on empirical data, IE first hand observation via the senses. This can take many forms and come via many different types of instruments. Most people never personally conducted any of these experiments to verify the validity of any of this data, they are simply accepting second hand information from others who have. As a result most science is simply just a collection of beliefs. You believe the scientist that collected the data did so correctly. You believe they don't have ulterior motives. You believe the peer reviews of said studies are accurate and not doctored. You believe the journals that publish them do not have ulterior motives.  

Since most people don't have the knowledge or resources to replicate these experiments themselves, what most people call science is just a string of beliefs. In sort, unless you have witnessed it with your own senses, you are just practicing another belief system. As a result science can be manipulated and have many of the same flaws of any other belief system, especially considering the fact that there is still a lot that science still does not claim to know. This is important to understand, because without this knowledge one can fall into many of the same traps that plague religious believers by blindly just swallowing what others have told you and accepting it as fact rather than a possible unknown.
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March 31, 2016, 05:24:46 AM
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i dont think so that science is a religion.
every religion in the world has limitations about exploring but science has nolimit.
if go against the limitations of any religion then consequences will be dangerous.
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March 31, 2016, 06:03:50 AM
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Science investigates, based on research data, and thus describes anything.

But perhaps I agree, yes, there is a science, which consist of theories and assumptions, such as quantum physics (Nobody saw quantum strings or quarks, and even there are now allowing to do this technology), and even astrobiology (the possible existence of flora and fauna on the other planets, you're serious?)

Just do not deny the facts that some things might initially go down the wrong path, and on this and develop. For example, scientists have something misunderstood because of their ideology, properly described and approached the research and concluded, and then over the years, everyone believed in it and used these false knowledge.

But science is developing, and something reopens, reinterprets, breaks past errors.
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March 31, 2016, 06:30:51 AM
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http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2013/11/01/is-science-just-another-religion/
http://listverse.com/2012/12/15/top-10-reasons-science-is-another-religion/
http://www.skeptical-science.com/essays/science-religion-richard-dawkins/
Modern science has assumed many of the roles traditionally played by religion and, as a result, is often mistaken for just another religion; one among many. But the situation is rather more complicated and many of the claims that science is not a religion come across as a claim that science is The One True Religion. In the past, religion has supplied answers to the basic questions of how the universe originated, how people were created, what determines morality, and how humans relate to the rest of the universe. Science is slowly but surely replacing religion as the source of answers to these questions. The visible universe originated with the big bang, humans arose through evolution, morality arose through the evolution of a social ape and humans are a mostly irrelevant part of the larger universe. One may not agree with science’s answers but they exist and influence even those who do not explicitly believe them.
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March 31, 2016, 09:23:16 AM
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Science isn't a religion, though there are "religious" politically motivated individuals who have infiltrated scientific communities, those whom seek to destroy findings that conflict with their political agenda.
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March 31, 2016, 09:28:49 AM
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Nothing wrong with science, theories and assumptions as long as it's provides the best available explanation or solution for something. This is how science working. The problem is again the human factor when people start fabricating some sort of alternative religions around scientific facts or theories. Even worse when charlatans catching up and distorting those facts. The worst part is that when SJWs turning up and using, misusing or simply tampering with science according to their agenda.
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March 31, 2016, 09:42:37 AM
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Science admits when it is wrong and moves forward stronger with a better understanding of the world we live.

Religion never admits its wrong even when one part of a religious text contradicts another part but both are correct  Roll Eyes

It still amazes me in this day and age people still believe in the mystical man in the sky.
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March 31, 2016, 10:54:38 AM
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Science is not a religion, in any way. Science is based on facts and researches and religion is based on beleiving without asking questions.

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March 31, 2016, 11:15:07 AM
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Basic difference between the two is a term called paradigm.  
Religion established many of never changing/constant paradigms like holly3, pope is never wrong etc
Science how ever takes quite different approach.
Studies, repeatable experiment can/are changing the so called paradigm. (Paradigm shift)
Thanks to this entire branches of our lives can switch over night, with technological breakthroughs,
inventions and new approaches.
In short religion equals stagnation where science=evolution.
With a difference so significant science can not be new religion.

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March 31, 2016, 11:15:25 AM
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While many in main stream science claim to be atheist and believe in the Big Bang and the eventual Deep Freeze due to entropy. Is it not curious to consider that the very underpinnings of this belief is based on mathematics, was it too created in the big bang? if so how was it constructed? one digit at a time?

I think not it has always been there and will always remain its an eternal masterpiece that permeates every conceivable facet or reality yet in its self it is purely abstract. Without it nothing would exist, but it in itself it is nonexistent and existent at the same time. It is the language of the living universe. Its permutations are infinite, yet it did not grow, it has always been complete and eternal.         

Do you smoke your weed before or after reading from your holy book?

From the nonsense you posted, I conclude you are a Muslim.

Eternal masterpiece?  Shoot, the weed you are smoking is gooood.

Our universe the most hostile environment to life that you could imagine. 

Haha who has been smoking weed now, where did I infer anything about Muslims?  But talking of weed here is a pearl on the subject from an advocate of the plant of wisdom Wink

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..."The hard swallow built into science is this business about the Big Bang. Now, let’s give this a little attention here. This is the notion that the universe, for no reason, sprang from nothing in a single instant. Well, now before we dissect this, notice that this is the limit test for credulity. Whether you believe this or not, notice that it is not possible to conceive of something more unlikely or less likely to be believed! I mean, I defy anyone – it’s just the limit case for unlikelihood, that the universe would spring from nothing in a single instant, for no reason?! – I mean, if you believe that, my family has a bridge across the Hudson River that we’ll give you a lease option for five dollars! It makes no sense. It is in fact no different than saying, 'And God said, let there be light'. And what these philosophers of science are saying is, give us one free miracle, and we will roll from that point forward – from the birth of time to the crack of doom! – just one free miracle, and then it will all unravel according to natural law, and these bizarre equations which nobody can understand but which are so holy in this enterprise. Well, I say then, if science gets one free miracle, then everybody gets one free miracle." ~Terence McKenna...


But to be clear I am not Muslim, I am agnostic. By that I think Huxley put it best:-

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Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe. Consequently Agnosticism puts aside not only the greater part of popular theology, but also the greater part of anti-theology. On the whole, the "bosh" of heterodoxy is more offensive to me than that of orthodoxy, because heterodoxy professes to be guided by reason and science, and orthodoxy does not.

Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
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Its time for an upgrade - Dogma remains our greatest enemy.

Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence: - 1+2=3 remains true irrespective of the existence of the universe, it is metaphysical. Like maths our consciousness is metaphysical, therefore there is no proof of its mortality.

I simply recognize that the universe is ALIVE! and we are a living part of it.

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March 31, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
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Science is not a religion, in any way. Science is based on facts and researches and religion is based on beleiving without asking questions.

Well, theoretically you are right. In practice science is greatly influenced by a lot of other things like ideology, business interest and politics. (As I said earlier, the human factor.) Unfortunately these external forces can suppress or even falsify scientific results. So, today some parts of science or some scientific results are very close to religion.
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March 31, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
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Science is not a religion in any view of every person. Science believe everything it see, hear, touches, and feels while in religion(I am not an atheist) they believe in a God that they cannot see, hear, touch, and feel while they are alive in this planet.

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