[Mining OS] SimpleMining.net - Manage Your GPU farm the easy way! (30 days free)

[tytanick]

God no...
10$ monthly?  Nooo.... 
Max is about 2~3 $ per rig with 5 or more gpus is enough.
At the beginning i will do 1~2$ per rig per month.

[hawkfish007]

God no...
10$ monthly?  Nooo.... 
Max is about 2~3 $ per rig with 5 or more gpus is enough.
At the beginning i will do 1~2$ per rig per month.

I would like to pay and support your efforts, ordered 2 rig resetter but only needed one I like the idea of one time fee for using Simplemining OS. You should have a one time fee option in addition to monthly fee option for users. But it's entirely up to you.

[Beave162]

Been on sm since the release of rx support
Haven't left NH selling since the move over to SM
And not regretted once yet
Yeah sometimes I don't make the top dollar per hash
That would take to much time that I don't have to move miners blah blah

Resonable enough.
I understand you guys. Sometimes its better to use nicahash and just forget about rigs and checking what is more profitable

Little thinking after some beer
As i see and need to spend much more time on SimpleMining OS - i need to add this new feature finally - its calles fees
Faster i will add this - faster i will have real profit and i could spend much more time on SM OS.
I really have great ideas, full list on new features but only thing thats keeping me from it is debits that i need to pay every month to live.
So i spend most time on my normal work to earn for bankers. So faster i will implement fees, faster SM OS will be profitable for me and it will faster be developed.
And honestly ? I like this project. I wanted
Anyway i just wanted to say what are my goals for now:
- in first period (1-3 months) i will inform everyone about terms and i wont force anyway to pay for usage of my service
- if someone wont pay after 1-3 months period - i wont shut down his rig or do something bad it it - i would rather block possibility to change options or block some features....
- i think i will do fee calculations based on wach rig. (Meaby i will add later calculation based on gpu count)
- for example i will be taking at the beginning 0.03-0.1 $ daily for each powered on rig (recalculated to btc)
- there will be btc balance which will be shrinking every hour

I also thought about releasing my own crypto currency that would be needed to pay for my service.
Anyway i dont want own crypto as it needs more time to develop - which i dont have
Meaby ethereum ASET (like DAO) would be good idea ? What do you think about that ?
Or should i just stick to normal btc deposits ?
I like to know opinion from you guys ?

BTW. This project i had in ming in 2014
Here is the topic
Because there was no interest - i just did not maked then
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=696413.msg7865545#msg7865545

I still feel that this service is absolutely perfect for advertisements. You could try that out, and if it isn't generating any revenue, then try a different direction.

It is strange to charge based on a rig. Some rigs are much more profitable than others.

[philipma1957]

Been on sm since the release of rx support
Haven't left NH selling since the move over to SM
And not regretted once yet
Yeah sometimes I don't make the top dollar per hash
That would take to much time that I don't have to move miners blah blah

Resonable enough.
I understand you guys. Sometimes its better to use nicahash and just forget about rigs and checking what is more profitable

Little thinking after some beer
As i see and need to spend much more time on SimpleMining OS - i need to add this new feature finally - its calles fees
Faster i will add this - faster i will have real profit and i could spend much more time on SM OS.
I really have great ideas, full list on new features but only thing thats keeping me from it is debits that i need to pay every month to live.
So i spend most time on my normal work to earn for bankers. So faster i will implement fees, faster SM OS will be profitable for me and it will faster be developed.
And honestly ? I like this project. I wanted
Anyway i just wanted to say what are my goals for now:
- in first period (1-3 months) i will inform everyone about terms and i wont force anyway to pay for usage of my service
- if someone wont pay after 1-3 months period - i wont shut down his rig or do something bad it it - i would rather block possibility to change options or block some features....
- i think i will do fee calculations based on wach rig. (Meaby i will add later calculation based on gpu count)
- for example i will be taking at the beginning 0.03-0.1 $ daily for each powered on rig (recalculated to btc)
- there will be btc balance which will be shrinking every hour

I also thought about releasing my own crypto currency that would be needed to pay for my service.
Anyway i dont want own crypto as it needs more time to develop - which i dont have
Meaby ethereum ASET (like DAO) would be good idea ? What do you think about that ?
Or should i just stick to normal btc deposits ?
I like to know opinion from you guys ?

BTW. This project i had in ming in 2014
Here is the topic
Because there was no interest - i just did not maked then
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=696413.msg7865545#msg7865545

Okay As I see it you have to charge money eventually.
I done lots of BTC and ALT coin promo  and sometimes I need to make money rathe then give away money.
Your miner os has value  and you set it up in a way you can monitor how many rigs  Someone is using.

For me to say  what you should  charge is rude. I know time and labor cost $$$.  You also run a server and of course an internet.

Your software is better then windows for me.  But  I am retired and could run windows.  I don't think I would be more then 10-15 rigs.     So is 2 bucks a rig per month   which is 6.667 cents a day too much for me.

Yes  because  it is per rig  and I built 4 card rigs.  

but 6 card rigs  or 8 card pandaminer rigs  $2.00 a month is not bad.

from your viewpoint a
1card
2card
3 card
4 card
5 card
6 card
7 card
8 card  may be equal in  terms of  using resources


but from a miners viewpoint  they all earn differently.

If I had 5 eight card pandaminers
They would earn the same as 11 four card msi rx 470 rigs.

I would not want to pay you  22 usd  for the  11 four card rigs and someone with 5 pandaminers pays you 10 usd.

We both have same hash rate and earn the same but one person pays 120 usd a year while the other pays 264 usd a year.

that is the miners viewpoint

the smOS viewpoint is one guy is using 11 spots for mining and the other is using 5 spots.

pleasing  the rig high card low guy  will be hard.

I am willing to pay fees.   But not that willing to get hurt because I did a lot of four card rigs.

[citronick]

I experimented with smOS very early - I remember that time when many other members including me giving daily feedback on ETH mining - cleary Claymore was our favorite. Then we had the ZEC crazy days, back then with no good Linux miner in sight we eventually got zcashgpuclient/coinsforall.io and zogminer (anybody using them still?) - crazy days testing that I must have burnt so many GPU hash just to test them on smOS. At that time, I was seriously testing ethOS, smOS, PIMP and my own Ubuntu build. Then when better Linux ZEC miners came out like SilentArmy and Optiminer - then finally Claymore released Linux version - I made a few smOS thumbdrives for live rigs.  Again time to time, members including me will ask Tytanick to add specific miners (ie. wolf, boolberry, pascal miners, even my recent request for zawawa-gateless gate -- btw,  when is ETA?)

Why am I saying the above?

FACT: smOS was built to this stage with strong and active mining community support.
FACT: Developer need constant feedback and useful / in demand features

Same as SRR project, the idea and project is good -- without community support and demand -- it will probably wont be successful because you need confirmed demand from buyers to determine capacity. For example if only 10 people is confirmed want the SRR, would it be worth it to mass produce and develop SRR?

In the context of smOS, you had this idea since 2014. It was kind off re-introduced in mid-2016. I remember testing smOS and sharing it with many other members to try it out (that includes legendary members like philipma). At that point, given the frenzy in ETH, ZEC and XMR coins the need for something simple like smOS is very good idea. This I think, was the main attraction to smOS.

So my suggestions are the following:

METHOD:
Tiered flat rate one-time-fee for most users. A one time cost, including free upgrades to the latest software version.
 You can charge a different package for large farms.

Example:
a. 1-2 clients FREE TO TRY
b. 10 clients USD$50
c. 20 clients USD$100
d. 50 clients USD$200
e. 100 clients USD$400
f. 101 and above - Custom packaging.


Your development of smOS will probably also need to capture NVIDIA miners in future - if you want to charge by rigs or gpus monthly - it will be expensive for many, complicated to enforce and will introduce more questions. I believe if you do a flat rate fee you will get more customers and almost guaranteed to be the leading mining OS in the crypto mining world.

Just my honest feedback, comments and feedback welcomed - because our goal for smOS and to support Tytanick is for miners to adopt his OS and invest in his OS, easily and conveniently. A win-win for all parties.

[pitboss10]

Hi Tytanick

Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

[tytanick]

the smOS viewpoint is one guy is using 11 spots for mining and the other is using 5 spots.
pleasing  the rig high card low guy  will be hard.
I am willing to pay fees.   But not that willing to get hurt because I did a lot of four card rigs.

Thats way i am asking for your opinion guys, to find the golden middle
Propably charging based on gpu quantity would be very good
For example 1 cent (0.01$) per GPU per day
That should be also easy to implement.
Also i think that on top of that there will be some other things like, paying more at once will give 20-30% bonus.
Or more than 10 rigs discounts.

Anyway, advertisement is very important.
If i will have much more miners like 10x more, then i could charge even LESS !
Base costs are big for me but adding more pwoer to server isnt too much big deal.
This is also why i didnt do the fee service until now. Still there is not a lot miners in my OS.

Hi Tytanick
Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

There is one already, its called claymore eth custom. You can set dected only mining there (i think so )

.....my recent request for zawawa-gateless gate -- btw,  when is ETA?)

Right after i will add support for SRR to OS. So next 3 days i would say. But estimating here is bad. I can estimate and then emergency happen

FACT: smOS was built to this stage with strong and active mining community support.
FACT: Developer need constant feedback and useful / in demand features
Same as SRR project, the idea and project is good -- without community support and demand -- it will probably wont be successful because you need confirmed demand from buyers to determine capacity. For example if only 10 people is confirmed want the SRR, would it be worth it to mass produce and develop SRR?

Accually yes
I think that 10-20 guys confirmed that they want SRR.
But i really wanted to do something about it. I am still at strong minus in SRR development profits.
Meaby next 2-3 months will give me cash to pay those costs
Anyway i belive in that + there was 20 supporters that told me that i am not alone
Ofcourse SRR need also strong advertisement.

In the context of smOS, you had this idea since 2014. It was kind off re-introduced in mid-2016. I remember testing smOS and sharing it with many other members to try it out (that includes legendary members like philipma). At that point, given the frenzy in ETH, ZEC and XMR coins the need for something simple like smOS is very good idea. This I think, was the main attraction to smOS.

Yep. At the first i had doubts .... Some users treated me like a scam or bad guy who can anytime turn them rigs into botnet
That is true, i still can do it. But i cant do this differently if it needs to be simple.
But why wont i do it ?
As i said many times, i am honest guy (not many poeople in world i suppose).
Also now from SRR release people have access to my personal address and company also.
Still it would be sooo stupid to do that .....
Turning all rigs into botnet will work for how much ? 24h ?
Then all will go away.
Its still better to do service with small but continious profit.

METHOD:
Tiered flat rate one-time-fee for most users. A one time cost, including free upgrades to the latest software version.
You can charge a different package for large farms.

Example:
a. 1-2 clients FREE TO TRY
b. 10 clients USD$50
c. 20 clients USD$100
d. 50 clients USD$200
e. 100 clients USD$400
f. 101 and above - Custom packaging.


Your development of smOS will probably also need to capture NVIDIA miners in future - if you want to charge by rigs or gpus monthly - it will be expensive for many, complicated to enforce and will introduce more questions. I believe if you do a flat rate fee you will get more customers and almost guaranteed to be the leading mining OS in the crypto mining world.

Just my honest feedback, comments and feedback welcomed - because our goal for smOS and to support Tytanick is for miners to adopt his OS and invest in his OS, easily and conveniently. A win-win for all parties.

Thx, those ideas are welcome
So there should be many fee models to suit for everyone.

Thx everyone for interest in my project.
I really need supporters like You guys !

P.S - also info for people that had me in Skype.
I created my skype account very long time ago for email like aasdasf@a.com
Recently du to pad password attempt it has been blocked
Anyway i cant get access to it becasue i had this really stupid (anti spam) email
So if anyone thinking why i am not responding on skype, this is reason

[xleejohnx]

10$ was just super crazy top end!
A one time fee doesn't really support the longevity of your os
If you want to be fair you have to charge per gpu
10 cents per gpu is more than fair starting point

[FFI2013]

I've pretty much tried them all maybe your could sell keys like pimp $25 a key and minera implemented advertising to help pay if you dont like to see the adds than you can pay to have them removed I no some ppl will say I have to pay twice but the advertising part is to pay for the remote management of your rigs I also used multiminer which the dev no longer updates and removed the apps from the store which you could use multiminer for free but to remotely monitor and change pools is was $10 for like 5 rigs.
Or maybe you could do something like $25 a year for x rigs and more for more I no you put alot of time and skills into this and its one of the best and easiest mining rig OS the thing is I feel better about paying a yearly fee or something only because buy the time you add claymore or optiminer fee the pool fee than a OS fee I just feel like I'm getting fee'ed to death. But whatever you decide Im sure will be fair

[citronick]

Hi Tytanick
Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

There is one already, its called claymore eth custom. You can set dected only mining there (i think so )

Claymore Dual Miner for ETH and 2nd coin -- cannot be used for Decred mining only. His FAQ clearly states that.

However, sgminer classic -- the one used in smOS for Pascal mining can be used if Decred kernel is included in the build.

In fact, Tytanick, you should include a general purpose AMD front-end miner like sgminer-classic because it can mine several popular coins and algos, for example: X11/X13/NeoScrypt/Lyra2RE/etc ~ including PASC, DECRED etc. etc. This way, you can save more space in your image file.

[tytanick]

Hi Tytanick
Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

There is one already, its called claymore eth custom. You can set dected only mining there (i think so )

Claymore Dual Miner for ETH and 2nd coin -- cannot be used for Decred mining only. His FAQ clearly states that.

However, sgminer classic -- the one used in smOS for Pascal mining can be used if Decred kernel is included in the build.

In fact, Tytanick, you should include a general purpose AMD front-end miner like sgminer-classic because it can mine several popular coins and algos, for example: X11/X13/NeoScrypt/Lyra2RE/etc ~ including PASC, DECRED etc. etc. This way, you can save more space in your image file.

There is still plenty of space for each miner. No problem
Problem would be to keep all version of all miners  to choose which version you like
So no problem.
And yes i can add this miner too.
For faster adding please always refer which miner you have in mind, there are so many forks and i dont track them unless they are more profitable than claymore.

[talks_cheep]

I've pretty much tried them all maybe your could sell keys like pimp $25 a key and minera implemented advertising to help pay if you dont like to see the adds than you can pay to have them removed I no some ppl will say I have to pay twice but the advertising part is to pay for the remote management of your rigs I also used multiminer which the dev no longer updates and removed the apps from the store which you could use multiminer for free but to remotely monitor and change pools is was $10 for like 5 rigs.
Or maybe you could do something like $25 a year for x rigs and more for more I no you put alot of time and skills into this and its one of the best and easiest mining rig OS the thing is I feel better about paying a yearly fee or something only because buy the time you add claymore or optiminer fee the pool fee than a OS fee I just feel like I'm getting fee'ed to death. But whatever you decide Im sure will be fair

tytanic should seriously consider the PIMP sales model. It's a proven successful model, why re-invent another sales model? SMOS isn't competitive currently with regards to PIMP so you will have to charge lower than $25 per key per rig. Maybe $20 per key per rig. Forget about monthly charge per gpu, unless you want to drive more people away from smos to pimp. Even annual license fee is a pain in the butt. Keep it simple and EASY, and miners will beat a path to yours.

I have a mix of SMOS, PIMP, and my Linux (Ubuntu) rigs for mining. Because I like diversity, I don't want to be beholden to one system. It's dead simple to install a full Linux system on your mining computer, but SMOS can be run from a thumbdrive. I'm sure I can easily figure out how to put my linux image on a usb drive but I'd rather spend my time on other more important stuff. Why re-invent something? Unless it's expensive, then I will be forced to. So, please keep it simple and easy. I will gladly pay you $20 per key per rig.

[philipma1957]

@ talks cheep   a 1 time fee per os  is simple  but does favor 6 gpu rigs


@ op  I am a 10 rig guy  more or less   I am willing to pay a flat rate for 10 rigs and a srr

If I have to take hit  that I made 4 card rigs I will do that.



I prefer some kind of allowance to account for my 4 card rigs but IF NOT OH WELL I WILL PAY PER RIG.

10$ was just super crazy top end!
A one time fee doesn't really support the longevity of your os
If you want to be fair you have to charge per gpu
10 cents per gpu is more than fair starting point

yeah it should be gpu not rig.
I have 28 gpus mining here   around 14500h in xmr

[citronick]

Hi Tytanick
Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

There is one already, its called claymore eth custom. You can set dected only mining there (i think so )

Claymore Dual Miner for ETH and 2nd coin -- cannot be used for Decred mining only. His FAQ clearly states that.

However, sgminer classic -- the one used in smOS for Pascal mining can be used if Decred kernel is included in the build.

In fact, Tytanick, you should include a general purpose AMD front-end miner like sgminer-classic because it can mine several popular coins and algos, for example: X11/X13/NeoScrypt/Lyra2RE/etc ~ including PASC, DECRED etc. etc. This way, you can save more space in your image file.

There is still plenty of space for each miner. No problem
Problem would be to keep all version of all miners  to choose which version you like
So no problem.
And yes i can add this miner too.
For faster adding please always refer which miner you have in mind, there are so many forks and i dont track them unless they are more profitable than claymore.

Keeping the versions is a good strategy and will ensure completeness for all miner preferences.

Btw if you can speed up this one....
The Zawawa Gateless Gate LINUX download page is at https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate
==> https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate/archive/v0.1.3-pre1.tar.gz (released 17 days ago)
==> https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate/archive/v0.1.2.tar.gz
A cross-platform OpenCL ZEC/ETH/XMR/PASC/FTC miner

[tytanick]

Btw if you can speed this one....
The Zawawa Gateless Gate LINUX download page is at https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate
==> https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate/archive/v0.1.3-pre1.tar.gz (released 17 days ago)
==> https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate/archive/v0.1.2.tar.gz
A cross-platform OpenCL ZEC/ETH/XMR/PASC/FTC miner

First i would need to compile it
It will take some time to prepare this

[cryptominer420]

I just want to say this is a great OS however I am still on windows as Claymore Eth is doing 30 MH per rx 470 4gb for me there as to 25 MH with the linux version. I would love to see a lite windows version but I know that the auto update there would be much trickier.

As to the fees I would go with a flat percentage of what each rig makes per day (say .5%) cause say someone has a lot of rx 460 or even old r9 270x rigs they are less profitable in the short term compared to rx 470 cards.

I still have 3 old r7 260 rigs running as they aren't completely unprofitable yet.

[reelen]

Sorry to get off this line of topic but had anyone had success in using the -wd 1 -r 0 option in Claymore anything on SM?  When I get a Gpu hangs in OpenCl call error it just stays there. I have to manually reboot or restart. Ideas would be helpful.

[twofreckles]

Sorry to get off this line of topic but had anyone had success in using the -wd 1 -r 0 option in Claymore anything on SM?  When I get a Gpu hangs in OpenCl call error it just stays there. I have to manually reboot or restart. Ideas would be helpful.

use: -wd 1 -r 1

[tytanick]

I just want to say this is a great OS however I am still on windows as Claymore Eth is doing 30 MH per rx 470 4gb for me there as to 25 MH with the linux version. I would love to see a lite windows version but I know that the auto update there would be much trickier.

As to the fees I would go with a flat percentage of what each rig makes per day (say .5%) cause say someone has a lot of rx 460 or even old r9 270x rigs they are less profitable in the short term compared to rx 470 cards.

I still have 3 old r7 260 rigs running as they aren't completely unprofitable yet.

Did you do beta kernel update ? If not then try it. It should solve your speed problem.
This kernel will be default very soon in next image release.


[delected by tytanick (offtopic)]

Another idea is to have strongly suggested donation amounts. But I think that if you become the one-stop shop for all miners, the popularity and support would translate to revenue streams through advertising or the promotion of other ventures.

Donation is now and it isnt working. Totally not working.

[reelen]

Sorry to get off this line of topic but had anyone had success in using the -wd 1 -r 0 option in Claymore anything on SM?  When I get a Gpu hangs in OpenCl call error it just stays there. I have to manually reboot or restart. Ideas would be helpful.

use: -wd 1 -r 1

I must have misunderstood how this setting worked from the readme, but THANK YOU so much this worked.