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January 06, 2017, 11:29:56 AM |
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My prediction of July:
(...) Use this feedback to think about it. Money won't be a compensation for the pressure you will earn if you go on with that. Disappointed Investors are much worse than I am here. (...)
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And sure, there are enough naive and unexperienced guys and even more gamblers to send you money. You will learn that money can be pressure. It creates very intense identifications over a long time. And I'm not speaking just of Scams. It doesn't matter what you plan. You will find out that I'm not guessing.
Hey, in ICO phase they said they would deliver by September 5, possibly September 10, and its only January now! :-) Some will rob you with a six-gun, others with a fountain pen. And even better, he stated one or two pages ago, that they did not want to discuss a listing because there would still be MONTHS of work. Meaning, that he already knew about the delays beforehand. And LYING to the community about the genesis release in September. |
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January 06, 2017, 12:32:41 PM |
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Please ship your HEAT to me. Just PM, ain't that hard  |
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January 06, 2017, 12:49:37 PM |
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Heat team, you can clearly see that the way you managed this thing so far (poorly) is making a lot of people very very pissed off.
If you really have the intention to release this as a quality product, I strongly suggest you show us this by facts and not words and air. Keeping this project closed source is only increasing the feeling you are not gonna deliver anything or a bad product at best.
If you had no real intention to release something meaningful and just made this ICO to ride the back of your now very pissed off investors, I strongly suggest you make them whole or suffer the consequences. Believe me, there will be very dire consequences for you if you just walk away with the money.
In any case, if you build a solid well made project, you can create much more value not only for your investors but also for your selves.
Trust is something obtained with great effort, but ruined very easily by foolish actions (or lack of the right actions sometimes...). I think that the people in this community who gave you funds to make this project according to your promises had lots and lots of patience for you so far, but this is changing due to your own behavior.
You have enough money, you should do the following things (in parallel): A) get more people (trusted people from the community is much better...) to join this project in key specialized roles to push it forward B) move this forward also in the pr and trading fronts (using specialized people) C) make and publish clear plans (it is called a roadmap) you can and will COMMIT TO - with proven progress along the way.
And a final word of advice, be humble when you talk to people who invested in your project and this community. Being arrogant will get you very little. Your investors are the only reason you have the ability to be doing this project in the first place. Oh, and believe me, if you tried to get VC money to accomplish this you would be kissing so many asses your lips would bleed.
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MoveCrypto
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January 06, 2017, 01:35:42 PM |
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The team has 1M HEAT released to them after 1 year. They probably have another couple million from FIMK exchanges as well.
Heat is a great concept, great name, great community. If the team keeps doing good business, then their HEAT holdings will become more valuable than the ico money they collected. The success of HEAT will also open up more business opportunities.
Everyone is on the same team here with a common goal of adding value and growth.
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January 06, 2017, 01:54:34 PM |
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He is already a big cheater in his first ico shit, fimk. I wonder why people invested this shit for 2nd time, and they know his black history. Their money is easy to scam That is someway accurate, but you have to remember that that particular forum is full of people who really hate altcoins. Anyway, Eliphaz did you remember our bet on how the FIMK will survive ( https://forum.fimk.fi/index.php?topic=614.msg4461#msg4461). I knew that FIMK will fail utterly and I am little bit scared that you have not learned a darn thing. I hope that I am wrong this time, because it would nice cashout at least little bit. His fimk seems never to be listed in any normal exchange, like bittrex, they will not be able to list heat in bittrex either. Maybe there will never a launch at all |
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January 06, 2017, 03:41:18 PM |
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Notice something guys? They never provided any proof about where the funds are! They stated (recalculated somehow after people asking how much money they got) that they raised about 800k$. 30% or something of this is already gone, imagine this is more than 200.000$ (My prediction is they bought a house and wrote it off as company expenses and the rest are overpaid salaries for those 2 dickheads). They did not tell us where it went! It is just gone. I guess by now 50% are already gone! If we don't even know how they keep the money, they can just tell us anything. For example the eth and btc price rises, they will say oh no we hold the money in dollar, and theyjust keep the dividend. If the Eth and btc price goes down, they will say we kept it in dollar. We can not verify it! So far no proof has been provided even though this can be done in a matter of minutes! They try to avoid this issue so obviously that it becomes almost suspicious!  |
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JUSTDLISK
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January 06, 2017, 04:52:53 PM |
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Dude i like your optimism but these guys are just taking the piss now |
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January 06, 2017, 04:57:02 PM |
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Dude i like your optimism but these guys are just taking the piss now Desperate hope is drug, can poison people any time, investing in scam project and can't give it up, it's like overdosing drugs. |
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Crapsy
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January 06, 2017, 05:45:02 PM |
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When I first watched it I was laughing my ass off and knew that my money was gone!
How much did you invest, please PM me, maybe I can save your soul. |
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Crapsy
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January 06, 2017, 06:10:37 PM |
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When I first watched it I was laughing my ass off and knew that my money was gone!
How much did you invest, please PM me, maybe I can save your soul. ...I am willing to sell my heat... Just PM me and we will negotiate further. |
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StewieG
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January 06, 2017, 06:14:14 PM |
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When I first watched it I was laughing my ass off and knew that my money was gone!
How much did you invest, please PM me, maybe I can save your soul. ...I am willing to sell my heat... Just PM me and we will negotiate further. done |
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Crapsy
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January 06, 2017, 06:20:32 PM |
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When I first watched it I was laughing my ass off and knew that my money was gone!
How much did you invest, please PM me, maybe I can save your soul. ...I am willing to sell my heat... Just PM me and we will negotiate further. I think you guys could do it safely, if you use yassinnxt who is a proven escrow. Btc gets deposited to yassin, then when genesis happens, heat gets withdrawn properly to the account of Crapsy who wants to buy it. Once it is verified that Crapsy has gotten the heat. Then yassin can release the btc to StewieG. Just trying to help, don't want to see any scam exchange happen... Your help is appreciated, thank you. |
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January 06, 2017, 06:57:50 PM |
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I lost my hope after watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGs2B-0goTII unfortunately watched it right after I invested in this crap. When I first watched it I was laughing my ass off and knew that my money was gone! It took me about 4 minutes to realize that! I mean it looks like he is completely retarded and knows it so he is laughing about himself all the time! Or is he just laughing about us who were stupid enough to invest in this crap? You can't take those guys serious, I mean this guy trashtalks other projects like bitcoin and ethereum while he thinks that heat is way better than the two and he is the genius developer when he even states that he has no clue about cryptocoins! Just let that sink in for a while! This is unbelievable! Then there is this other guy that tells us how wise he is and how he knows what he is doing and that he has a lot of experience in business and management and in the crypto space and his developer is a "genius developer", while everybody is pissed because of him and the project is so very doomed! These two clowns are not to be taken serious! They are the worst, an absolute DISGRACE for the crypto community! This whole bullshit could have been an update to the FIMK crapcoin! I could rip this video apart so hard, I mean he is complaining about how bitcoin and ethereum use a database in their client and this is slow and everything... I can not take it anymore this unbelievable retardation! If this coin is not released and open source by the end of this month I consider this project a SCAM! I want to see some code, he says they take NXT and improve it, I want to see the improvement for myself! I want to examine it! ALSO REGARDING THE FUNDS! GUYS LISTEN TO THAT: https://youtu.be/dGs2B-0goTI?t=35m HE SAYS: "WE HAVE AROUND THIRTEEN HUNDRED BITCOINS AT THE MOMENT"! THIS IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US! I WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUNDS! ALL EXPENSES AND WHERE THE COINS WERE KEPT UP UNTIL NOW! Guys this is an obvious scam. there are 1000 facts speaking for itself, that this will never end good. they said they will deliver in september, now its january. Its enough time passed, so we can contact consumer protection service in Europe. Its now time to act, before its too late. The thing with the shares of a company is just a try to keep us calm and giving some naive hope. Who with brain is going to invest more money in that? They are not even running a main net blockchain, not speaking of application using it. This is a fu**** scam nothing else. |
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Crapsy
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January 06, 2017, 07:04:54 PM |
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Guys this is an obvious scam.
Thou things have been delayed doesn't mean there is a scam going on. Steady progress has been made as proto pointed out. |
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January 06, 2017, 07:11:44 PM |
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Guys this is an obvious scam.
Thou things have been delayed doesn't mean there is a scam going on. Steady progress has been made as proto pointed out. just contact the consumer service so they can give you more information, what you could do now. Its clear heat will not deliver anything useful. They are just bullsh**** us. Read some pages further about coin listing thing and other stuff. You will find lies and weird behavior, no one would do with you in normal life. |
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January 06, 2017, 07:17:28 PM |
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https://youtu.be/dGs2B-0goTI?t=8m10sjust watch it until minute 12! This is so great, he doesn't know what he is talking about!! xD What a classic!!! Dennis: Blablabla blockchain we are better than bitcoin very scalable blabla view layer, consensus layer, we are better than everybody, other reality... blabla more bullshit Other guy: Sorry we had a mic issue, can you repeat that again? (Obviously there was no mic issue instead nobody understood what dennis was talking abou) Dennis: I have no idea what I just said HAHAHAHA! (because it was completely made up bullshit) ... Spoken like a true genius!
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January 06, 2017, 07:41:54 PM |
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OK. Ryan from Bittrex found the application, but, it was in the name of FIMK, not HEAT. He says there is no reference to a HEAT token, in that application.
Like described earlier in this thread, we'll look more closer at the 3rd party exchangers again when the token is out. The initiatives with Bittrex are appreciated and I'll be sure to reach out on the slack soon. Eliphaz says he will be sure to reach out on the slack soon...Once launch happens, then initiatives like Bittrex can happen. My prediction: there will never be a release! Next move will be OH we got hacked all the funds are gone and we can't work anymore now and the project is never heard of again! Anyway isn't there a public register in Finland where companies have to register and everybody can have a look at it? I am not sure if they even registered a company yet. Can somebody with more knowledge in that field find something out? |
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January 06, 2017, 08:01:58 PM |
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Dude i like your optimism but these guys are just taking the piss now Desperate hope is drug, can poison people any time, investing in scam project and can't give it up, it's like overdosing drugs. I'm just pointing out that there has been quite alot of communication from the dev team in the past while, compared to some quieter times. So I think this is more positive than negative. We have had 2 releases (and 1 with a minor link update fix after some changes happened), and the 3rd upcoming release will be the main net. These previous releases are here, 1 alpha wallet, and then a wallet with ICO verification. https://github.com/Heat-Ledger-Ltd/heat-ui/releasesIf this was a scam, why would multiple releases be made? Why have an ICO verification? Why be compliant with laws regarding taxes? Why would so much technical work be going on in private repositories (Which is very normal in software development) with a steady flow of new things being developed and released. Just in this past month, along with all the other updates more recently above... December 5th include big updates from verymuchso: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.msg17088037#msg17088037Also included releases of preliminary API documentation here: http://alpha.heatledger.com/api/With interactive testing of the API here: http://alpha.heatledger.com/interactive/Then December 27th, Core status, Asset Exchange status, Email account identifiers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.msg17314536#msg17314536'Overdosing on drugs'? I can just see evidence of actual progress with innovation (also jl777 pointed on the superNET slack recently, how ambitious a project HEAT is), among lots of other banter. Can anyone point out from all these links, and evidence of work going on, why this would not release at all? If it was a scam, why put the effort in, why go to fintech conferences? It is impossible to proof that it will not release! BUT it is very easy to proof that IT WILL release! There are many reasons to doubt that it will release: 1. Nobody has seen any actual code! 2. Nobody knows where the funds are! 3. Poor communication since end of ICO! These are just a few. 1 and 2 are easy to solve, show some code and show proof of the funds. This is so easy that it is suspicious that they are not doing it! What you have in the links is nothing, there is no proof of anything, there is not even proof they attended any of the conferences! Concerning the website, this is easy to do, they pretend that this is some big kind of work, but it is not. Any webdeveloper can do this within 24 hours. Why would they do this? Second round ICO! They stated they would collect money for their company again in february, so the want to have trust from the community and this is the easiest way. Show them some "work" and they will invest in us again. Especially when you think about how worthless HEAT is right now if you want to make any rofit you kind of have to participate in the next funding / company share buy round! This is all very scamy! Then again look at my latest post, where is the company registered, I can not find any info, if I was serious about this project, I would post all the neccessary details to disprove ALL of the theories I mentioned immediately? Have they done so? NO THEY HAVE NOT! |
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