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January 21, 2017, 07:08:26 AM |
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A white paper is like a promotional piece and advertising product.
You must be kidding or being involved. It is clear it is not ready..
Everyone accept that it is not ready.
Maybe those involved in the scam accept it. Not the people who have been lured into this by false promises, fantasy dates and blatant lies about the readiness of the product before the ICO even started. I demand a statement on all of this early today. |
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LemonAndFriesOne
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January 21, 2017, 07:58:59 AM |
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After careful thought, what happened is the guys behind this ran the ICO campaign to see how much funding could be made.
If not succesful, why waste money and resources on coding.
If succesful, go hire some coders from India/China/whatever and ask to write out the code in hopes that it would be ready by launch date.
Of course, these off site coders did not work out as intended and thus we come to this current situation.
This actually happened with Alcurex (based somewhere in Finnland I believe).
Alcurex webmaster hired Indian coders and then had to hire better coders until eventually it is what it is today.
I'm sure many here don't know that these projects secure the funding, then outsource the coding to shut investors up. Meanwhile the foreign coders have little knowledge of what's going on, all they care is that they have a job.
Technically it's not a scam, but huge misinformation delivered to those who invested.
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January 21, 2017, 08:10:33 AM |
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Has the genesis block account numbers and balances been published anywhere?
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kjadB
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January 21, 2017, 09:07:28 AM |
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tetra
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January 21, 2017, 09:14:29 AM |
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Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis
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January 21, 2017, 09:17:50 AM |
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Can we get some UI screenshots please devs?
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Woof woof!!
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January 21, 2017, 09:21:34 AM |
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Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis
Do you mean? "Hello Mr Policeman I send some of my real money to the internet to get some pretend money but the pretend money never came.. Can you help get it back?" Policeman, "Where is the real money now? ... Well i sent the real money to Lord Vitalik in Etherium land and i held that pretend money for while then swapped that token for the new type of token i never got." Easy really... How do you propose to do all the necessary work when you need someone else to go to the police station? |
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tetra
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January 21, 2017, 09:32:50 AM |
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Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis
Do you mean? "Hello Mr Policeman I send some of my real money to the internet to get some pretend money but the pretend money never came.. Can you help get it back?" Policeman, "Where is the real money now? ... Well i sent the real money to Lord Vitalik in Etherium land and i held that pretend money for while then swapped that token for the new type of token i never got." Easy really... How do you propose to do all the necessary work when you need someone else to go to the police station? I mean that there is someone, obviously deceiving people to get their money. That is a crime. WE can collect the lies, deceptions and the police might be able to force them to provide evidence that they are not scamming. Everything, that requires research or writing can be done by me/us |
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January 21, 2017, 09:42:59 AM |
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Rest assured. There is no deception and your investment will not be in vain @Tetra. I am sure that both Svante And Dennis are working minute in minute out, just like was said, that the launch will happen A.S.A.P.
It's been a long wait, and sure, the delays always takes their toll, but we are so close now. Hold on for a few moments more.
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tetra
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January 21, 2017, 09:44:54 AM |
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Rest assured. There is no deception and your investment will not be in vain @Tetra. I am sure that both Svante And Dennis are working minute in minute out, just like was said, that the launch will happen A.S.A.P.
It's been a long wait, and sure, the delays always takes their toll, but we are so close now. Hold on for a few moments more.
I stated months ago that I will wait until February. I am just preparing for the worst case. |
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MoveCrypto
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January 21, 2017, 09:51:22 AM
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I will say it again, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. If you try to force someone to do something by crying like a baby, it more often has the exact opposite effect of what you want. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can_catch_more_flies_with_honey_than_with_vinegarFor example, you want the devs to give more detailed updates on BCT, so you spam negativity to try to increase likelihood of this? It actually has the opposite effect of making people want to spend less time in a negative environment or completely ignore requests embedded in negative posts. Basic rules of persuasion and human psychology. |
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January 21, 2017, 10:05:20 AM |
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For months we wanted to know what is going on and the communication only got less. No wonder it gets more and more rough in here. The only way to do something about it is to come out with the truth. He is killing the project and our investment, but also his reputation. Storys like that spread extremely well. I can't wait for the follow up article by Forbes Magazine.  |
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tetra
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January 21, 2017, 10:07:05 AM |
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I will say it again, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. If you try to force someone to do something by crying like a baby, it more often has the exact opposite effect of what you want. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can_catch_more_flies_with_honey_than_with_vinegarFor example, you want the devs to give more detailed updates on BCT, so you spam negativity to try to increase likelihood of this? It actually has the opposite effect of making people want to spend less time in a negative environment or completely ignore requests embedded in negative posts. Basic rules of persuasion and human psychology. I am not trying to manipulate. I have come to believe that something is definitely wrong here. FIMK was a clone, got funding, nothing happened. HEAT got a lot of funding and nothing ever happened except a new website design. A lot of signs point to a systematic fraud to steal money. And I see it as a moral duty to take countermeasures against fraudsters. |
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MoveCrypto
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January 21, 2017, 10:11:38 AM
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For months we wanted to know what is going on and the communication only got less. No wonder it gets more and more rough in here. The only way to do something about it is to come out with the truth. He is killing the project and our investment I can't wait for the follow up article by Forbes Magazine. It's their investment too that they put their family names behind. Svante and Dennis are the largest holders of HEAT. The market cap doesn't have to go very high before their holdings become worth more than the crypto they collected in ico. I am not trying to manipulate.
I have come to believe that something is definitely wrong here. FIMK was a clone, got funding, nothing happened. HEAT got a lot of funding and nothing ever happened except a new website design. A lot of signs point to a systematic fraud to steal money. And I see it as a moral duty to take countermeasures against fraudsters.
It's fine to respectfully express your opinion or concerns, but if you spam 30 pages of giant red letters telling someone to fuck off, you expect this will make them more motivated to give you what you want? |
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tetra
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January 21, 2017, 10:12:31 AM |
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I dont belong to that stewie, bitdexter, whoever conglomerate  |
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January 21, 2017, 12:20:04 PM |
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From the side of every individual who invested in this project there is a realistic and justified fear/concern that his invested funds are at very tangible risk.
Of course any investment in general and in crypto might provoke some fears as it bears some measure of risk, but in the case of the HEAT project we see more reasons to feel this way.
I think that the only side here who is at fault for the current situation is the team of the project, Svante and Dennis. It is evident that their actions or lack of necessary measures have created lack of trust and major concerns that they are in fact with fraudulent intent.
The more time passes in such state the more the concerns become a sense of conviction that this is in fact a dishonest attempt to collect funds.
So many projects in this crypto sphere, so different from each other, with different teams working on them. But for a project to progress and evolve as it should some things are similar. There are certain measures a team behind a project needs to take to show the people who backed it with their money and trust that their funds and trust are respected and they are in good hands. Past occurrences and cumulative facts show this is not implemented in the case of HEAT.
I started my investment here with a good feeling that this project is strong and will progress to something great. That feeling was founded on both the idea and the actual presentation of info that was clearly provided by the team prior to the ICO (reporting of state of the project, dates to be expected for progression and so on). I trusted that they are giving facts and are honest about the contract that will commit both sides. Yes, the ICO was in fact a binding contract between the investors (as myself) and the people behind HEAT.
Today I can say with a heavy heart that I feel that many points in the contract where breached from the side of the HEAT team, while the investors completed their part as agreed upon.
I am not the one to jump with the big red "SCAM" letters. This is not my style nor do I believe this will bring the best results.
Nevertheless, I think that there are clear measures/actions that MUST be taken from the side of Svante/Dennis to prove with out a doubt that they are working on delivering what they committed to with honest intent.
If you know you can not deliver and you are "selling" false pretense of the contrary you are performing a fraudulent act - you are breaking the law
If you made a contract and you are not living up to your side of the deal - you are responsible by the law and there are implications.
I do not want this situation to escalate to a legal action against the above mentioned individuals. I still keep a shred of hope they can make things right. BUT, as time passes it seems less and less likely we will see a positive conclusion of this matter.
I wish to state it clear - if you can not deliver - come clean now, return funds invested to the best of your ability (this can be easily checked) and perhaps avoid criminal charges by the appropriate authorities. If you KNOW that you can deliver - show us by actions and prove it. Written code is proof. The only tangible proof in software dev work is code. all the rest is just empty statements given until there is actual code.
Svante, your words are meaningless if they stay as words. In such case, the more you say without proof the less people will believe you.
This is a serious affair. A substantial amount of funds was collected here. This will carry criminal charges if it is not concluded otherwise.
Let us avoid unpleasant outcomes for the sake of us all.
Thank you.
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January 21, 2017, 12:38:03 PM |
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HAHHAHAHAHA
newbies crying for losing $100
everyone who invested more then that is reasonable enough to analyse the situation in a reasonable fashion.
there were dev updates. they have a load of coding work in the back-end to do. the release announcements very false as usual here. you have to get used to that.
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January 21, 2017, 12:42:01 PM |
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HAHHAHAHAHA
newbies crying for losing $100
everyone who invested more then that is reasonable enough to analyse the situation in a reasonable fashion.
there were dev updates. they have a load of coding work in the back-end to do. the release announcements very false as usual here. you have to get used to that.
no crying here, but HEAT being a SCAM is a very rational option at the moment. |
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MoveCrypto
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January 21, 2017, 12:48:32 PM |
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HAHHAHAHAHA
newbies crying for losing $100
everyone who invested more then that is reasonable enough to analyse the situation in a reasonable fashion.
there were dev updates. they have a load of coding work in the back-end to do. the release announcements very false as usual here. you have to get used to that.
I've actually never invested in a crypto project that set an exact date for release, then released it on that date. Iconomi made this mistake too. Said they would release on 28 Dec and still no release. They have a team of several devs working on that too. Lisk did the same thing, announced an exact date, then ended up releasing code that was not yet stable 1 month later. Ethereum didn't give an exact date then just released 9 months later when it was ready. Waves also delayed several months. Komodo ico platform BTCD swap also delayed release of coins by over 1 month. This is typical for software development. Dennis could be stuck on some bit of code and reaching out to other java developers for help for all we know. Last update from him was on 27 December, so it would be nice to have another development update at this point: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.msg17314536#msg17314536 |
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