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December 22, 2016, 02:12:55 AM
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Completed the deletion of 35,000,001 ELE (3.5 million) (pre-mined)

http://www.elementrem.net/tx/0x044b48179da98fe56a4ed579d2b5d3fcb3980f04f8d8ca69aacfee6d74897802
http://www.elementrem.net/addr/0x0000000000000000000000000000000000000000

As you know, 0x0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is Burns address.
Thanks.


Let's compare a case of ELE,EXP (ethereum clones) to the ETHEREUM.

Ethereum (ETH)
Block Reward: 5
Block Target : almost 13 seconds
It is created approximately "23.07ETH" per minute.

Elementrem (ELE)
Premine - 15 million
Block Reward: 5   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
Block Target : almost 13 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
ELE premine address. a748f720f5989f2b541fa9ef3c78236808123635
It is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute. (1minute=60s / 13s * 5)

Expanse (EXP)
Premine - 11.11 Million
Block Reward: 8   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 5/8 == 0.625)
Block Target : almost 60 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 60/13 == 4.615 )
EXP premine address.
0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e :  "balance": "10 million"
0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192 :  "balance": "1 million"
0xc075fa11f85bda3aaba67106226aaf086ac16f4e :  "balance": "0.1 million"
0x93decab0cd745598860f782ac1e8f046cb99e898 : "balance": "0.01 million"
It is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute. (1minute=60s / 60s *  8  )

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.

ELE = Premine - 15 million * A * B  = Just 15 million
EXP = Premine - 11.11 Million *A * B = 32.045 million

It is important to consider the Block Target time and Block Reward and Uncle reward.
and look at ELE block target time. It's fast. you will know what this means. It would be to Uncle reward advantage.

i don't include uncle data in these calculations. if include missing uncle data in these calculations, ELE will have more smaller ratio of premine coin.
ELE has a very very small premine coin.


Still trying to confuse people?


Put it simple:

EXP total supply : 14,695,927 EXP
EXP premine:  11 000 000 EXP

ELE total supply: 69 562 407 ELE .. (or 34 562 407 if the burn is correct.
ELE premine : 50 000 000/15 000  000    (depending on burn)


Total supply affects price bigtime. Thats why ELE is worthless... already 69/34 million of them.



ELE premine - 15 million
EXP premine - 11.1 million

ELE is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute.
EXP is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute.

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.
ELE = Premine - 15 million * A * B  = Just 15 million
EXP = Premine - 11.11 Million *A * B = 32.045 million

If you don't understand it, You never know the math.
If you want to understand some this math, I suggest you put some of your own time and effort in.

Mmmmmm too hard? Maybe I'm talking to the atmosphere.

You dont get it.


Simple question.
Whats the total supply of

ELE :
EXP :
ETC :
ETH :

The foolish questions.
The matter is of little importance. and total supply is so small that it hardly counts.
It's not appropriate for us to comment on ETH ETC total supply.
but It is appropriate to compare `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

why? amount of `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock` directly affects the growth of total supply.
but total supply does not affect things like `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

That's the most important blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock for us.
total supply going to be obsolete as time goes on.

Simple questions.
What
1. ELE : blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock ? and how many are generated per minute?
2. EXP : blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock ? and how many are generated per minute?

3.
ELE launched in July 2016
first block    : 2016-07-04 20:49:50 (145 days ago)  http://www.elementrem.net/block/1
current block: 2016-11-27 14:41:17  http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100
4,656,608 ELE was generated for a period of 145 days.

EXP launched in Sep 2015
first block    : 2015-09-14 00:00:48 (441 days ago) http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1
How many EXP have been created in the meantime; 145 days?

do you know a little bit of math? do you know a little bit of calculation of rate?  
you will not be able to ask above questions if you know something like this.

Mmmmmm too hard? Maybe I'm talking to the atmosphere.

So you cant answer the simple question?

"
Simple question.
Whats the total supply of
ELE :
EXP :
ETC :
ETH :
"

So you cant answer the simple question?

"
Simple question.

total supply is so small that it hardly counts.
It's not appropriate for us to comment on ETH ETC total supply.
but It is appropriate to compare `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

why? amount of `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock` directly affects the growth of total supply.
but total supply does not affect things like `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

That's the most important blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock for us.
total supply going to be obsolete as time goes on.

Simple questions.
What
1. ELE : blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock ? and how many are generated per minute?
2. EXP : blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock ? and how many are generated per minute?

3.
ELE launched in July 2016
first block    : 2016-07-04 20:49:50 (145 days ago)  http://www.elementrem.net/block/1
current block: 2016-11-27 14:41:17  http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100
4,656,608 ELE was generated for a period of 145 days.

EXP launched in Sep 2015
first block    : 2015-09-14 00:00:48 (441 days ago) http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1
How many EXP have been created in the meantime; 145 days?

do you know a little bit of math? do you know a little bit of calculation of rate?  
you will not be able to ask above questions if you know something like this.

"


Again:

So you cant answer the simple question?

Simple question.
Whats the CURRENT total supply of
ELE :
EXP :
ETC :
ETH :

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December 22, 2016, 06:32:47 PM
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The simple answer:


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

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The simple answer:


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)


Let's compare a case of ELE,EXP (ethereum clones) to the ETHEREUM.

Ethereum (ETH)
Block Reward: 5
Block Target : almost 13 seconds
It is created approximately "23.07ETH" per minute.

Elementrem (ELE)
Premine - 15 million
Block Reward: 5   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
Block Target : almost 13 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
ELE premine address. a748f720f5989f2b541fa9ef3c78236808123635
It is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute. (1minute=60s / 13s * 5)

Expanse (EXP)
Premine - 11.11 Million
Block Reward: 8   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 5/8 == 0.625)
Block Target : almost 60 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 60/13 == 4.615 )
EXP premine address.
0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e :  "balance": "10 million"
0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192 :  "balance": "1 million"
0xc075fa11f85bda3aaba67106226aaf086ac16f4e :  "balance": "0.1 million"
0x93decab0cd745598860f782ac1e8f046cb99e898 : "balance": "0.01 million"
It is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute. (1minute=60s / 60s *  8  )

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.

ELE = Premine - 15 million * A * B  = Just 15 million
EXP = Premine - 11.11 Million *A * B = 32.045 million


It is important to consider the Block Target time and Block Reward and Uncle reward.
and look at ELE block target time. It's fast. you will know what this means. It would be to Uncle reward advantage.

i don't include uncle data in these calculations. if include missing uncle data in these calculations, ELE will have more smaller ratio of premine coin.
ELE has a very very small premine coin.

total supply is so small that it hardly counts.
It's not appropriate for us to comment on ETH ETC total supply.
but It is appropriate to compare `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

why? amount of `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock` directly affects the growth of total supply.
but total supply does not affect things like `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

That's the most important blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock for us.
total supply going to be obsolete as time goes on.


Again:
Again:


So you cant answer the simple question?


ELE launched in July 2016
first block    : 2016-07-04 20:49:50 (145 days ago)  http://www.elementrem.net/block/1  (http://www.elementrem.net/block/1)
current block: 2016-11-27 14:41:17  http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100 (http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100)
4,656,608 ELE was generated for a period of 145 days.

EXP launched in Sep 2015
first block    : 2015-09-14 00:00:48 (441 days ago) http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1 (http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1)
How many EXP have been created in the meantime; 145 days?







A month later, two months later, three months later ... As time passes, how do you think the percentage of the formula you wrote will change?
What's the ratio of the dev control coin after six months??-Each ele and exp.
can you explain something to me? anyway thanks your reply

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December 22, 2016, 07:26:00 PM
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Info for coin traders/collectors


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

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Info for coin traders/collectors


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

Let's compare a case of ELE,EXP (ethereum clones) to the ETHEREUM.

Ethereum (ETH)
Block Reward: 5
Block Target : almost 13 seconds
It is created approximately "23.07ETH" per minute.

Elementrem (ELE)
Premine - 15 million
Block Reward: 5   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
Block Target : almost 13 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
ELE premine address. a748f720f5989f2b541fa9ef3c78236808123635
It is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute. (1minute=60s / 13s * 5)

Expanse (EXP)
Premine - 11.11 Million
Block Reward: 8   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 5/8 == 0.625)
Block Target : almost 60 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 60/13 == 4.615 )
EXP premine address.
0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e :  "balance": "10 million"
0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192 :  "balance": "1 million"
0xc075fa11f85bda3aaba67106226aaf086ac16f4e :  "balance": "0.1 million"
0x93decab0cd745598860f782ac1e8f046cb99e898 : "balance": "0.01 million"
It is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute. (1minute=60s / 60s *  8  )

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.

ELE = Premine - 15 million * A * B  = Just 15 million
EXP = Premine - 11.11 Million *A * B = 32.045 million


It is important to consider the Block Target time and Block Reward and Uncle reward.
and look at ELE block target time. It's fast. you will know what this means. It would be to Uncle reward advantage.

i don't include uncle data in these calculations. if include missing uncle data in these calculations, ELE will have more smaller ratio of premine coin.
ELE has a very very small premine coin.

total supply is so small that it hardly counts.
It's not appropriate for us to comment on ETH ETC total supply.
but It is appropriate to compare `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

why? amount of `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock` directly affects the growth of total supply.
but total supply does not affect things like `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

That's the most important blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock for us.
total supply going to be obsolete as time goes on.


Again:
Again:


So you cant answer the simple question?


ELE launched in July 2016
first block    : 2016-07-04 20:49:50 (145 days ago)  http://www.elementrem.net/block/1  (http://www.elementrem.net/block/1)
current block: 2016-11-27 14:41:17  http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100 (http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100)
4,656,608 ELE was generated for a period of 145 days.

EXP launched in Sep 2015
first block    : 2015-09-14 00:00:48 (441 days ago) http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1 (http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1)
How many EXP have been created in the meantime; 145 days?







A month later, two months later, three months later ... As time passes, how do you think the percentage of the formula you wrote will change?
What's the ratio of the dev control coin after six months??-Each ele and exp.
can you explain something to me? anyway thanks your reply

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December 22, 2016, 07:48:39 PM
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Info for coin traders/collectors


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

Let's compare a case of ELE,EXP (ethereum clones) to the ETHEREUM.

Ethereum (ETH)
Block Reward: 5
Block Target : almost 13 seconds
It is created approximately "23.07ETH" per minute.

Elementrem (ELE)
Premine - 15 million
Block Reward: 5   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
Block Target : almost 13 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
ELE premine address. a748f720f5989f2b541fa9ef3c78236808123635
It is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute. (1minute=60s / 13s * 5)

Expanse (EXP)
Premine - 11.11 Million
Block Reward: 8   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 5/8 == 0.625)
Block Target : almost 60 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 60/13 == 4.615 )
EXP premine address.
0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e :  "balance": "10 million"
0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192 :  "balance": "1 million"
0xc075fa11f85bda3aaba67106226aaf086ac16f4e :  "balance": "0.1 million"
0x93decab0cd745598860f782ac1e8f046cb99e898 : "balance": "0.01 million"
It is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute. (1minute=60s / 60s *  8  )

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.



You keep spamming the same bullshit.

The question is as simple as the answer.

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Last edit: December 23, 2016, 09:34:53 PM by skyrunnersky
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Info for coin traders/collectors


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

Let's compare a case of ELE,EXP (ethereum clones) to the ETHEREUM.

Ethereum (ETH)
Block Reward: 5
Block Target : almost 13 seconds
It is created approximately "23.07ETH" per minute.

Elementrem (ELE)
Premine - 15 million
Block Reward: 5   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
Block Target : almost 13 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 1)
ELE premine address. a748f720f5989f2b541fa9ef3c78236808123635
It is created approximately "23.07ELE" per minute. (1minute=60s / 13s * 5)

Expanse (EXP)
Premine - 11.11 Million
Block Reward: 8   (A = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 5/8 == 0.625)
Block Target : almost 60 seconds (B = Calculated as a ratio of ETH == 60/13 == 4.615 )
EXP premine address.
0xbb94f0ceb32257275b2a7a9c094c13e469b4563e :  "balance": "10 million"
0x15656715068ab0dbdf0ab00748a8a19e40f28192 :  "balance": "1 million"
0xc075fa11f85bda3aaba67106226aaf086ac16f4e :  "balance": "0.1 million"
0x93decab0cd745598860f782ac1e8f046cb99e898 : "balance": "0.01 million"
It is created approximately "8 EXP" per minute. (1minute=60s / 60s *  8  )

We can do it easily math. The ratio effect is easily calculated.


ELE = Premine - 15 million * A * B  = Just 15 million
EXP = Premine - 11.11 Million *A * B = 32.045 million


It is important to consider the Block Target time and Block Reward and Uncle reward.
and look at ELE block target time. It's fast. you will know what this means. It would be to Uncle reward advantage.

i don't include uncle data in these calculations. if include missing uncle data in these calculations, ELE will have more smaller ratio of premine coin.
ELE has a very very small premine coin.

total supply is so small that it hardly counts.
It's not appropriate for us to comment on ETH ETC total supply.
but It is appropriate to compare `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

why? amount of `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock` directly affects the growth of total supply.
but total supply does not affect things like `blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock`

That's the most important blocktime, blockreward, uncleblock for us.
total supply going to be obsolete as time goes on.


Again:
Again:


So you cant answer the simple question?


ELE launched in July 2016
first block    : 2016-07-04 20:49:50 (145 days ago)  http://www.elementrem.net/block/1  (http://www.elementrem.net/block/1)
current block: 2016-11-27 14:41:17  http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100 (http://www.elementrem.net/block/893100)
4,656,608 ELE was generated for a period of 145 days.

EXP launched in Sep 2015
first block    : 2015-09-14 00:00:48 (441 days ago) http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1 (http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/tx/1)
How many EXP have been created in the meantime; 145 days?







A month later, two months later, three months later ... As time passes, how do you think the percentage of the formula you wrote will change?
What's the ratio of the dev control coin after six months??-Each ele and exp.
can you explain something to me? anyway thanks your reply


You keep spamming the same bullshit.

The question is as simple as the answer.


What's wrong with you? can you answer that question to me?
spamming? don't make me laugh. You started spamming first. and you don't even understand my thread.
you can't ask these questions if you understood a little bit of what I said.

Again:
So you cant answer the simple question?
What's the ratio of the dev control coin after six months??  -Each ele and exp.
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https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/?term=blockchain

Since December 9, 2016, We are pleased to announce that elementrem has become an Azure ISV partner. The current version is 1.0.0 and is only available for basic deployment. But we will continue to upgrade the version, the better it will be. The possibilities are endless, and more Azure elementrem-features are sure to evolve in the future.

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Strange, went to the link, not seen Elementrem.

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Strange, went to the link, not seen Elementrem.

I think this site had many errors on it . it's not worth investing to this.
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Strange, went to the link, not seen Elementrem.

I think this site had many errors on it . it's not worth investing to this.


I contacted the Azure PDS (professional direct support) and they found that there was some problem with Azure.
It will be fixed on Monday during the work hour.
Thank you.

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Strange, went to the link, not seen Elementrem.

I think this site had many errors on it . it's not worth investing to this.


I contacted the Azure PDS (professional direct support) and they found that there was some problem with Azure.
It will be fixed on Monday during the work hour.
Thank you.


Since December 9, 2016, elementrem was an ISV partner for Azure, but since December 24, elementrem has disappeared from the Azure.
I have asked for PDS and various troubleshooting for this, but they have not answered so far.

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Strange, went to the link, not seen Elementrem.

I think this site had many errors on it . it's not worth investing to this.


I contacted the Azure PDS (professional direct support) and they found that there was some problem with Azure.
It will be fixed on Monday during the work hour.
Thank you.


Since December 9, 2016, elementrem was an ISV partner for Azure, but since December 24, elementrem has disappeared from the Azure.
I have asked for PDS and various troubleshooting for this, but they have not answered so far.

I am pretty sure Expanse faced the same destiny so far...
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January 02, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
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Are there anything about this coin.?
Many investors left this coin . what about the future of elementrem?
The price is down all times and nobody wants to buy this coin. 
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January 07, 2017, 11:08:22 AM
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This coin will be dead . It's just only waste coin.
It seems many investors have left this coin ,The vol on C-CEX is too low.
If it does not reach a certain amount of trading, ELE will be delisted on C-CEX Exchange.
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January 19, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
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Info for coin traders/collectors


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)

thanks alot for this infomation on this page .users will be utilise from it and will be fruitfull after findig sound knowledge.
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January 24, 2017, 02:16:53 PM
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https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/?term=blockchain

Since December 9, 2016, We are pleased to announce that elementrem has become an Azure ISV partner. The current version is 1.0.0 and is only available for basic deployment. But we will continue to upgrade the version, the better it will be. The possibilities are endless, and more Azure elementrem-features are sure to evolve in the future.

Fantastic! , its a very good , cmon ELE! .
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January 24, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
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https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/?term=blockchain

Since December 9, 2016, We are pleased to announce that elementrem has become an Azure ISV partner. The current version is 1.0.0 and is only available for basic deployment. But we will continue to upgrade the version, the better it will be. The possibilities are endless, and more Azure elementrem-features are sure to evolve in the future.

Fantastic! , its a very good , cmon ELE! .

I don't see it there.

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January 25, 2017, 11:58:55 AM
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The simple answer:


Current total supply of coins:
ETH: 87 171 288
ETC: 87 110 884
ELE: 20 123 885 of which 15 000 000 is premine/dev funds(was 50M.. rofl)
EXP: 14 925 980 of which 11 000 000 is premine/dev funds



ELE : Devs control 74,53% of the coins.
EXP : Devs control 78,57% of the coins.
(ETC and ETH are both much more spread among a much bigger user base)


thanks for giving us a good answer at right time.
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February 03, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
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hi dev, any update about this project ?
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