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August 04, 2016, 04:12:39 AM
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Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

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is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv





It sounds like Fida Muhasain is working with their freelance employees.

All I see about Ismail Malik is he has been into cryptocurrency since about 2013. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Most people who use this forum haven't been into it much longer than that.

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Cryptodevil: Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv



It sounds like Fida Muhasain is working with their freelance employees.

All I see about Ismail Malik is he has been into cryptocurrency since about 2013. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Most people who use this forum haven't been into it much longer than that.

Hi newbie with 1 post:

She is being presented as management with track history. There is nothing about such a person in google. no facebook no previous mentions.

Run a similar serch on others including the "employees" and you'll discover more such anomalies.

Ismail Malik's picture is not that person that's been a blockchain leader who is much older. his twitter with "13.6K" followers relates to deos or razormind for about 3 weeks. is that management of a 260 employees venture?

It all adds up to all the previous non transparent "mysteries" such as the non existing client lists, cheating on the client lists, razorcoin that cheated them, PR company that cheated them, 27000 users, 260 employees, offices all over, projects all over. no escrow, no central sale address because a BTC address will be hacked (wow). and more. no open source, known security audits, deos twitter with multi 000's followers (where are they?) razormind with multi 000's number of followers. working with such large clients yet fighting with a guy over a $1500 bill all over the net. see his reaction in the video to "how many coins they produced", year of company registration, its address. Look at razormind's twitter history (it's a personal account not a legacy company). and he list of mysteries goes on and on. very "reliable".  

BTW: I ran a search on some of the texts on the razormind site.

compare this:
http://www.razormind.co.uk/big-data/

to this:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/bigdata/

and do the same to all other technical explanations on the site with some name change and you'll discover interesting things. ohhhh it's that PR company.  

Maybe a call to the local police or Interpol should suffice. They'll be able to check. maybe all of these 4 pages above are wrong.  

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August 04, 2016, 08:06:07 AM
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IBTTimes had removed the article about Razormind, but I see recently they republished it. So this would show me that this major news outlet has verified that this is in fact not a scam if they republished an article?? I cannot see what other explanation there would be

Following further discussion they have since reconsidered and the article has been pulled again.

The trouble is that some people kept focusing on the whole 'RZR/Razorcoin' thing which is pretty much irrelevant and allowed Jawad to obfuscate the real deception by publicly denying any connection to the 'RZR' coin while failing to answer to the much more serious issues of fraudulent misrepresentation concerning the substance, or otherwise, of his operation in the run-up to and during the on-going process of wanting to convince people to send him lots of money.

When you are seeking investment you don't get to demand people ignore multiple counts of proven deception.


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What if they paid the rights to use these images? Maybe we should ask gettyimages on Twitter? Smiley

lol, even if they did, it's hilariously not representative of their team or their product. Tongue

Can't argue with that. Smiley

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I think we had enough researches, which revealed their shady "strategy". The best thing we can do now is to warn people where we can (new threads related to Razormind, Twitter, Facebook etc...).

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Cryptodevil: Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv



It sounds like Fida Muhasain is working with their freelance employees.

All I see about Ismail Malik is he has been into cryptocurrency since about 2013. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Most people who use this forum haven't been into it much longer than that.

Hi newbie with 1 post:

She is being presented as management with track history. There is nothing about such a person in google. no facebook no previous mentions.

Run a similar serch on others including the "employees" and you'll discover more such anomalies.

Ismail Malik's picture is not that person that's been a blockchain leader who is much older. his twitter with "13.6K" followers relates to deos or razormind for about 3 weeks. is that management of a 260 employees venture?

It all adds up to all the previous non transparent "mysteries" such as the non existing client lists, cheating on the client lists, razorcoin that cheated them, PR company that cheated them, 27000 users, 260 employees, offices all over, projects all over. no escrow, no central sale address because a BTC address will be hacked (wow). and more. no open source, known security audits, deos twitter with multi 000's followers (where are they?) razormind with multi 000's number of followers. working with such large clients yet fighting with a guy over a $1500 bill all over the net. see his reaction in the video to "how many coins they produced", year of company registration, its address. Look at razormind's twitter history (it's a personal account not a legacy company). and he list of mysteries goes on and on. very "reliable".  

BTW: I ran a search on some of the texts on the razormind site.

compare this:
http://www.razormind.co.uk/big-data/

to this:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/bigdata/

and do the same to all other technical explanations on the site with some name change and you'll discover interesting things. ohhhh it's that PR company.  

Maybe a call to the local police or Interpol should suffice. They'll be able to check. maybe all of these 4 pages above are wrong.  



hey Mr. newbie with 1 post, do you know "Jawad Yaqub"? tell me bit more about him.

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August 06, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
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where is their btt thread?

I think they had one before.
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August 06, 2016, 01:49:39 PM
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where is their btt thread?

I think they had one before.

The only one I found is this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502575.0

It has been started by a user jaez, who is confirmed to be one of the Jawad's profiles here.

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August 08, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
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Those videos on Jawad's youtube channel certainly look like some fiverr gigs to me  Cheesy
Anyway, let's stay away from the ICO.
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August 09, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
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Hi newbie with 1 post:

Nice attitude.

What are your credentials again?


sorry I am new to this

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Hi newbie with 1 post:

Nice attitude.

What are your credentials again?


sorry I am new to this

What are yours new sign up?
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Hi newbie with 1 post:

Nice attitude.

What are your credentials again?


sorry I am new to this

OH yea... 2 years and 8 months ago, On January 2014, I was only 3 months into crypto, but after decades in finance, I can smell a melting Plastik. Kudos to all good people here helping to expose this BS. For your sake I hope that you don't get to hurt too many people based on all the BS and plain cheating attempts presented in this thread.
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August 12, 2016, 01:15:44 PM
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Just saw this article on Fintechist, I've seen the journalist before, he's pretty active. Done a search on Bitcointalk and found this thread.

Here's the article: http://fintechist.com/ethereum-competitor-deos-offers-blockchain-solutions-everyone/

Sounds like they are hyping themselves up vs Ethereum? Do they have a chance?

Also looks like their token sale is still ongoing... Over 5000 BTC!
But there's no public address I could verify. Odd.

Good thing I found this thread!
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i am owner of http://btc12.com

I wrote a post about deos http://btc12.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=101&action=edit

btc12 is a chinese blog aiming bringing updated info about ICOs, altcoins.

enjoy.

You provided the link as the admin of btc12 and it could not be opened. Smiley

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August 12, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
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Sounds like they are hyping themselves up vs Ethereum? Do they have a chance?

Read through this thread. Razormind were caught out fraudulently posting a number of blue-chip customer testimonials on their website which they had simply stolen and reworded to make it look as though they were about their company.

In January of LAST YEAR, Jawad was claiming this mysterious DeOS platform had 27,000 active users all busy developing it and using it. This is a lie.

Razormind's facebook page has 27,000 'likes' in total but barely any in their timeline and no comments.

So to have done all this astro-turfing and gotten nowhere at the time with their collection bucket, they appear to have decided to try and cash in on the Ethereum debacle by claiming their system to be a successor.

They are essentially guilty of fraud at this point if they have collected a single bitcoin off the back of these lies.


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i am owner of http://btc12.com

I wrote a post about deos http://btc12.com/2016/08/10/deos-outrightscam/
btc12 is a chinese blog aiming bringing updated info about ICOs, altcoins.

enjoy.
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i am owner of http://btc12.com

I wrote a post about deos http://btc12.com/2016/08/10/deos-outrightscam/
btc12 is a chinese blog aiming bringing updated info about ICOs, altcoins.

enjoy.

LOL, well as much as I'd like to be able to I can't actually read Chinese, although I think I can figure the tone of the piece from the page name in the link.

Is there any new information in it other than what we already know about the fraudulent claims Jawad has made?



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i am owner of http://btc12.com

I wrote a post about deos http://btc12.com/2016/08/10/deos-outrightscam/
btc12 is a chinese blog aiming bringing updated info about ICOs, altcoins.

enjoy.

LOL, well as much as I'd like to be able to I can't actually read Chinese, although I think I can figure the tone of the piece from the page name in the link.

Is there any new information in it other than what we already know about the fraudulent claims Jawad has made?




nothing new.  you can google translate it, though not perfect at all.

the main idea is inform chinese noobs of scams around.
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the main idea is inform chinese noobs of scams around.

Excellent work, well done!

I'm glad to know there are people actively looking after non-English communities in informing them of these scams, too.


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the main idea is inform chinese noobs of scams around.

Excellent work, well done!

I'm glad to know there are people actively looking after non-English communities in informing them of these scams, too.



Good work!  Smiley

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Just as an update I wanted to include the content of the DeOS Purchase Agreement which effectively states they don't have to do anything for the money you send them:
http://www.razormind.co.uk/s/DeOS-Purchase-Agreement.pdf
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DeOS Purchase Agreement
By purchasing DeOS Tokens (DEOS, Đ ) the Purchaser expressly agrees to all of the terms and conditions set forth in the accompanying Terms and Conditions of the DEOS CrowdSale (the “Terms”), which is incorporated by reference herein, as well as the DEOS Purchase
Agreement. All capitalized terms in this agreement will be given the same effect and meaning as in the Terms.
By purchasing DEOS, the Purchaser:
● Represents and warrants that the Purchaser has an understanding of the usage and intricacies of cryptographic tokens, include Bitcoin (BTC), and blockchain based software systems.
● Represents and warrants that the Purchaser is legally permitted to purchase DEOS in the Purchaser’s jurisdiction and is legally permitted to receive products of British origin;
● Represents and warrants that the Purchaser is of a sufficient age to legally purchase DEOS or has received permission from a legal guardian who has reviewed and agreed to these Terms;
● Represents and warrants that the Purchaser will take sole responsibility for any restrictions and risks associated with the purchase of DEOS as set forth below;
● Represents and warrants that Purchaser is not exchanging bitcoin (BTC) for DEOS for the purpose of speculative investment;
and
● Represents and warrants that the Purchaser is acquiring DEOS for the use of decentralized application services or the purchase of tokens specific to forthcoming decentralized applications on the DeOS Platform, or to facilitate development, testing, deployment and operation of decentralized applications on the DeOS Platform, or to support the development of the DeOS Platform.

Purchaser understands that there is no warranty whatsoever on DEOS, express or implied, to the extent permitted by law, and that DEOS is purchased on an “as is” basis. Purchaser also understands that Razormind will not provide any refund of the purchase price for DEOS
under any circumstances except in the sole situation insufficient tokens have been sold to guarantee delivery of the DeOS Platform within the timeframe set out. Purchaser further agrees to accept sole risk for the purchase of DEOS. The Purchaser recognizes that the DeOS Platform is presently being developed and may undergo significant changes before release.
In order to reduce the possibility of fraud, phishing attempts and other schemes perpetrated by malicious third parties, Purchaser agrees not to respond directly to any inquiry regarding their purchase of DEOS, including but not limited to email requests purportedly coming from
the Razormind Ltd or similar looking domain. Purchaser understands that Razormind Ltd may send Purchaser emails from timetotime,
but these email notices will never ask for information, property, nor require any direct email response from the Purchaser.
Purchaser understands and accepts, that while the Razormind Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the DEOS Platform, it is possible that an official completed version of the DeOS Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational DeOS Platform.
It is also possible that even if the Razormind Team releases a completed version of the DeOS Platform, due to a lack of public interest in decentralized applications or the DeOS Platform itself, the DeOS Platform could potentially be abandoned or shut down for lack of
interest in future.
Purchaser also recognizes that the DeOS Platform may be operational for a short or extended period of time, and may subsequently be abandoned by Razormind Ltd for a number of reasons, including a lack of interest from the public, a lack of funding, competing platforms that seek to develop decentralized applications, and competing nonaffiliated networks built on the same underlying protocol and open source technology.
Following the purchase of DEOS, Purchaser understands that if the Purchaser’s wallet file or password is lost or stolen, the purchased DEOS associated with the Purchaser’s wallet or password will be unrecoverable and will be permanently lost.
Furthermore, Purchaser understands that there is no password recovery mechanism for lost passwords, so the DeOS Team will not be able to help Purchaser retrieve or reconstruct a lost password and provide the Purchaser with access to any purchased DEOS.
Furthermore, Purchaser understands that it is not possible to reconstruct a lost or stolen wallet, so the DeOS Team will not be able to help Purchaser retrieve or reconstruct a lost or stolen wallet and provide the Purchaser with access to any purchased DEOS.
Purchaser understands that between the time of purchase of DEOS in the Crowdsale and the release of the DeOS Platform system DEOS
will be unusable.
Purchaser understands that the DeOS Platform software developed may give rise to other, alternative networks, promoted by unaffiliated third parties, under which Purchaser’s DEOS will have no intrinsic value.
Purchaser recognizes that the DeOS peer network of seed nodes will be ultimately in control of the decentralized system. Purchaser understands that a majority of these miners could agree at any point to make changes to the official DeOS Platform software and to run the
new version of the software on the network. Under such a scenario, Purchaser’s original DEOS will likely have no intrinsic value.

THE PURCHASER ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY ANY APPLICABLE LAW, THE PURCHASER WILL NOT HOLD ANY OF THE RAZORMIND PARTIES LIABLE FOR ANY AND ALL DAMAGES OR INJURY WHATSOEVER CAUSED BY OR RELATED TO USE OF, OR INABILITY TO USE, DEOS OR THE DEOS PLATFORM UNDER ANY CAUSE OR ACTION WHATSOEVER OF ANY
KIND IN ANY JURISDICTION, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ACTIONS FOR BREACH OF WARRANTY, BREACH OF CONTRACT OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE) AND THAT NONE OF THE RAZORMIND PARTIES SHALL BE LIABLE FOR ANY INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL OR DATA, IN ANY WAY
WHATSOEVER ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF, OR INABILITY TO USE, OR PURCHASE OF, OR INABILITY TO PURCHASE, DEOS.
THE PURCHASER FURTHER SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT RAZORMIND PARTIES ARE NOT LIABLE, AND THE PURCHASER AGREES NOT TO SEEK TO HOLD ANY OF THE RAZORMIND PARTIES LIABLE, FOR THE CONDUCT OF THIRD PARTIES, INCLUDING OTHER PURCHASERS OF DEOS, AND THAT THE RISK OF PURCHASING AND USING DEOS RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE PURCHASER .
TO THE EXTENT PERMISSIBLE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL ANY OF THE RAZORMIND PARTIES BE LIABLE TO ANY PURCHASER FOR MORE THAN THE AMOUNT THE PURCHASER HAS PAID TO RAZORMIND FOR THE PURCHASE OF DEOS.

The Terms of Use for the Crowdsale Site and the DEOS Product Purchase Agreement govern the sale of DEOS and supersede any public statements about the Crowdsale made by third parties or by the Razormind Team or individuals associated with any Razormind
Parties, past, present and future. Razormind reserves the right, at its discretion, to change, modify, add, or remove portions of
the DEOS Product Purchase Agreement, at any time by posting the amended agreement on the Razormind website (http://www.razormind.co.uk).
Any Purchaser will be deemed to have accepted such changes by purchasing DEOS.
If at any point you do not agree to any portion of the then current version of the DEOS
Product Purchase Agreement, you should not purchase DEOS. If a court or other tribunal determines that there is a conflict between the DEOS Product Purchase Agreement and the Terms, the provisions of the Terms shall govern.
Date July 14th 2016
Razormind Ltd is incorporated in the United Kingdom with company number NI636534 whose registered office and trading
address is at 55 Clive Rd, Holywood, BT189RE

tl;dr You are a 'purchaser' not an investor and you are 'purchasing' this DeOS in an 'as is' condition, which means whatever state it is in when the ICO/ITO/IPO 'crowdsale' completes is legally what you have purchased and Razormind have no legal obligation to anything after that point.

Finally, in "What.The.Actual.Fuck News":
http://www.razormind.co.uk/crowdsale/
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DeOS Crowdsale
is PAUSED until
26th August 2016, 12:00 Noon GMT

to allow DeOS Grant Winners to raise money.


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