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February 06, 2017, 02:53:02 PM |
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With this attitude, I highly doubt any investors would trust their funds on your centralized Iconomi platform. Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks? Decentralized is just a fancy word for democratization of a system that ends up being a communistic system in the end (our modern western system) this is great for you but china existed for 5000 jears untill now. Whithout Segwit miners will soon have a 17 bn dollar gun at your head charging whatever fees they want. And btw what are you going to say to the thousands of noobies of whos transactions is not being realised becouse block size is full? FYI I own both bitcoin and icn. I don't think you understand...Investors don't give a damn about democratization of a system or communistic systems... Once investors realize that they can skip these middle men (Iconomi) and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort that's safe, transparent, faster and cheaper, it's GAME OVER for Iconomi. oh my god. am going to sell everything now. I need to get me some of them melons.
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February 06, 2017, 02:54:42 PM |
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i read recently that this are the publicly-known ICONOMI.performance holdings:
5M GNT: ($126.8k current value) - ($51.3 invested) = $75.5k unrealized profit
4222 GBYTE: ($407.3k current value) - ($0 invested) = $407.3k unrealized profit
Total unrealized profit = $482.8k
Estimated unrealized dividends for ICN holders: ($482.8k)×0.20 = $96.6k
But we need to keep in mind that dividends from ICONOMI.performance aren't distributed to ICN holders unless they sell an asset to exit one of their positions with realized profit.
Anyway looking good.
They hold 4% of Byteball? But they still not sell them right? If they sell the stash, the price will crash, they can't get all $407.3k, maybe only $100k.
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Thefrolly
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February 06, 2017, 02:57:20 PM |
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decided to grab some more icn, but a bit lower. PLS sell some more i need around 390
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kalpit
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February 06, 2017, 02:57:26 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300.
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Arvydas77
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February 06, 2017, 03:03:41 PM |
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I don't understand what is the purpose of ICN token and why it was necessary to run a Fund Management Platform. Isn't enough to use Bitcoin and pay dividens to the participants of the project? I may be wrong but in my opinion the real goal of Iconomi project is to get as more Bitcoins as possible and leave investors with useless tokens.
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February 06, 2017, 03:06:01 PM |
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I don't understand what is the purpose of ICN token and why it was necessary to run a Fund Management Platform. Isn't enough to use Bitcoin and pay dividens to the participants of the project? I may be wrong but in my opinion the real goal of Iconomi project is to get as more Bitcoins as possible and leave investors with useless tokens.
did you read the whitepaper?
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February 06, 2017, 03:06:52 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300. Don't worry, it's just another yobit scamcoin...
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February 06, 2017, 03:17:00 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300. Don't worry, it's just another yobit scamcoin... I don't know what that is but it's not Digibyte, it's Digicube. I trust coincap.com more than coinmarketcap.com though, every once in a while these sort of things happen and you are left wondering wtf is wrong with crypto, it definitely feels like a joke sometimes or at least something not that serious. As kalpit said though, the evidence is in the volume, it doesn't matter how much a coin gains...if you don't have liquidity or volume it's not real.
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February 06, 2017, 03:19:11 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300. Don't worry, it's just another yobit scamcoin... its not yobit coin you can not see there dude ICN is not available on yobit, ICN only listing at kraken.
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February 06, 2017, 03:25:44 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300. Don't worry, it's just another yobit scamcoin... its not yobit coin you can not see there dude ICN is not available on yobit, ICN only listing at kraken. According to coinmarketcap ICN is listed on Kranken, Liqui and Mercatox. http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/iconomi/#marketsYou probably have mistaken this, because there is a coin on Yobit with the same name.
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February 06, 2017, 03:26:10 PM |
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I look fwd to moooooooooooooon
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Thefrolly
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February 06, 2017, 03:31:49 PM |
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Did anyone yet see coin market cap. See the third position. Digibyte comes on third position. In 24 hours it showed a growth of 22485500.00 %. He he, now see the daily volume, its less than $300. Don't worry, it's just another yobit scamcoin... its not yobit coin you can not see there dude ICN is not available on yobit, ICN only listing at kraken. According to coinmarketcap ICN is listed on Kranken, Liqui and Mercatox. http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/iconomi/#marketsYou probably have mistaken this, because there is a coin on Yobit with the same name. they were talking about digicube and Not about icn
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February 06, 2017, 03:34:28 PM Last edit: February 07, 2017, 01:44:29 AM by MalReynolds |
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Is this coin below ICO price yet?
ICO price was 10.68 cents - 10,682,516.42 USD invested in 100,000,000 coins. 15% of the coins are for devs. Biggest EU ICO. Now is ... figure it out. I disagree with people who says that ICO price should be 15% on top of this.Sigh. No, no, no. Let me explain this correctly again. Go look at coinmarketcap.com - there are only 87M ICN tokens in circulation. The ICO funds raised did not and have not gone towards either the ownership or the pricing of the separate pot of dev tokens. Investors put in $10,682,515.42 USD to purchase 85 million ICN at a cost of 10,682,515.42 / 85,000,000 = $0.1257 each. The ICONOMI team put 15 million additional ICN aside in various pots (founder bonus, bounty, etc) and paid ZERO USD for their ICN. These 15M ICN had an IMPLIED value of $0.1257 also, but nobody really knew WHAT any ICN was worth on the open market until the token hit Kraken. The answer turned out to be a steady rise to the $0.4512 USD price listed today on http://coinmarketcap.com representing a 0.4512/0.1257 = 3.6X increase in value of ICN in the past four months since the end of ICO. If you look at coinmarketcap.com, they list only 87M ICN in circulation - the investor/donator ICO amunt of 85M plus 2M in released bounties. The remaining 13M ICN in the hands of developers are locked down for (I think) six months after ICO until platform release. These dev tokens have yet to be priced.
Consider the day these extra 13M tokens are unlocked and considered part of the total circulation. Either the value at Kraken will drop by 15% (because there are suddenly 100/87 = 1.15X more "inflationary" coins in circulation) or, if the value at Kraken holds steady, the market cap at coinmarketcap.com will jump 15%. It all depends if ICONOMI is seen as strong or week at that time. PRICE/VALUE OF THE 13M DEV TOKENS IS DECIDED BY KRAKEN TRADERS IN THE FUTURE, NOT BY ICO INVESTORS IN THE PAST.Bottom line: the launch price of ICN was 0.1257 USD per ICN.
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Arvydas77
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February 06, 2017, 03:44:57 PM |
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I don't understand what is the purpose of ICN token and why it was necessary to run a Fund Management Platform. Isn't enough to use Bitcoin and pay dividens to the participants of the project? I may be wrong but in my opinion the real goal of Iconomi project is to get as more Bitcoins as possible and leave investors with useless tokens.
did you read the whitepaper? Yes, I did and checked it again. Still, I don't understand why you need to create a new token to run a fund management platform if you have Bitcoin, Ethereum and other coins you can build your platform onto.
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February 06, 2017, 04:03:40 PM |
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I don't understand what is the purpose of ICN token and why it was necessary to run a Fund Management Platform. Isn't enough to use Bitcoin and pay dividens to the participants of the project? I may be wrong but in my opinion the real goal of Iconomi project is to get as more Bitcoins as possible and leave investors with useless tokens.
did you read the whitepaper? Yes, I did and checked it again. Still, I don't understand why you need to create a new token to run a fund management platform if you have Bitcoin, Ethereum and other coins you can build your platform onto. Because ICN isn't really a "coin", it's basically a company asset. And the entire point if Iconomi is to make buying "assets" as we know it in the "old economy" easy to approach for everyone. Including dividends and so forth. These days, if a company wants to enter the stock for example, it has to go through shittons of legal stuff and small companies have basically zero chance to get there. With ICN platform, any starting company will be able to announce ICO and get funded via that. Basically a kick-starter, with the difference, that their "coins" will be the "assets" of that particular company, just as ICN are assets of the future Iconomi platform. Dividends will be paid out easily and everything will be nice and public and easily approachable. So having your own assets in the form of ETH or BTC is basically impossible, since they would have to control all of them. It's like... yeeeh, this new company is planning to make sofas that will give you a blowjob and have built in fridge for beer! I want to invest in it! And with Iconomi platform, it will be perfectly possible.
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February 06, 2017, 04:55:04 PM |
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Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks?
Why would it be shady? Are you even capable of pointing where is that without googleMaps? If you try to spreed FUD, sell your stash and buy some shitcoins. Or open your own platform if you know it better "Shady Middlemen" because: . No expense report for the past 6 months since the end of ICO. . They solicited funds from US citizens, now they say US citizens are not allowed to use Iconomi . They failed to release Legal Part 2 . Their legal guy just disappeared. . They failed to do bi-weekly AMAs, after promising they will do so. . They avoid all serious questions on Slack. . They postponed the launch on same day after competitors released videos of their working prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJP7HPF8rOc . They're delaying ICNX & ICNP funds on purpose to time the release with the end of 6-month lockup period to access their ICN Dev share.
Now you tell me how investors are supposed to trust them with millions of dollars if ICN holders are ever going to see any dividends.
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February 06, 2017, 05:15:14 PM |
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Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks?
Why would it be shady? Are you even capable of pointing where is that without googleMaps? If you try to spreed FUD, sell your stash and buy some shitcoins. Or open your own platform if you know it better "Shady Middlemen" because: . No expense report for the past 6 months since the end of ICO. . They solicited funds from US citizens, now they say US citizens are not allowed to use Iconomi . They failed to release Legal Part 2 . Their legal guy just disappeared. . They failed to do bi-weekly AMAs, after promising they will do so. . They avoid all serious questions on Slack. . They postponed the launch on same day after competitors released videos of their working prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJP7HPF8rOc . They're delaying ICNX & ICNP funds on purpose to time the release with the end of 6-month lockup period to access their ICN Dev share.
Now you tell me how investors are supposed to trust them with millions of dollars if ICN holders are ever going to see any dividends. - Expense reports will be done as soon as dividends will be paid and investments in ICOs have been declared.
- US citizens are allowed to buy and own ICN, they only mustn't participate in funds. If you invested in their ICO, all you did was buy ICN. Also, they are working towards making Iconomi usable for US citizens.
- Legal part 2 will come out, too. Do you have literally no patience?
- Their legal guy disappeared? What? Lolol
- They will continue doing AMAs, they never said they would be 100% bi-weekly. Expect bi-weekly AMAs to happen once platform releases.
- They do not avoid any questions on slack except for "when is release?" They like to argue with everyone on Slack and answer each question very professionally.
- Postponing just because a competitor that hasn't even had their ICO puts up a vid? Take off your tin foil hat.
- They delayed platform because they want to make sure to deliver the best product possible. The devs ICN shares are vested and will not be paid out all at once.
I remember you. A couple weeks back you said Iconomi would moon and made you rich. Now you FUD like there's no tomorrow lol.[/list]
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February 06, 2017, 05:17:23 PM |
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Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks?
Why would it be shady? Are you even capable of pointing where is that without googleMaps? If you try to spreed FUD, sell your stash and buy some shitcoins. Or open your own platform if you know it better "Shady Middlemen" because: . No expense report for the past 6 months since the end of ICO. . They solicited funds from US citizens, now they say US citizens are not allowed to use Iconomi . They failed to release Legal Part 2 . Their legal guy just disappeared. . They failed to do bi-weekly AMAs, after promising they will do so. . They avoid all serious questions on Slack. . They postponed the launch on same day after competitors released videos of their working prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJP7HPF8rOc . They're delaying ICNX & ICNP funds on purpose to time the release with the end of 6-month lockup period to access their ICN Dev share.
Now you tell me how investors are supposed to trust them with millions of dollars if ICN holders are ever going to see any dividends. - Expense reports will be done as soon as dividends will be paid and investments in ICOs have been declared.
- US citizens are allowed to buy and own ICN, they only mustn't participate in funds. If you invested in their ICO, all you did was buy ICN. Also, they are working towards making Iconomi usable for US citizens.
- Legal part 2 will come out, too. Do you have literally no patience?
- Their legal guy disappeared? What? Lolol
- They will continue doing AMAs, they never said they would be 100% bi-weekly. Expect bi-weekly AMAs to happen once platform releases.
- They do not avoid any questions on slack except for "when is release?" They like to argue with everyone on Slack and answer each question very professionally.
- Postponing just because a competitor that hasn't even had their ICO puts up a vid? Take off your tin foil hat.
- They delayed platform because they want to make sure to deliver the best product possible. The devs ICN shares are vested and will not be paid out all at once.
I remember you. A couple weeks back you said Iconomi would moon and made you rich. Now you FUD like there's no tomorrow lol.[/list] prob. fell for the FUD and now joined it
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February 06, 2017, 05:27:45 PM |
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Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks?
Why would it be shady? Are you even capable of pointing where is that without googleMaps? If you try to spreed FUD, sell your stash and buy some shitcoins. Or open your own platform if you know it better "Shady Middlemen" because: [ Now you tell me how investors are supposed to trust them with millions of dollars if ICN holders are ever going to see any dividends. Yes you are right, now i see it, i will go and buy Purevidz or Taas or some other of the great projects that people mention here .........
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February 06, 2017, 05:31:40 PM |
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Question: Why would people buy crypto funds from shady Middlemen in Slovenia (Iconomi), while they can skip these middle men and buy identical crypto funds on a decentralized platform like MelonPort or TaaS where everything from trades to performance is transparent, and especially since these other platforms can also hold funds safely in Cold Storage which eliminates DAO-like hacks?
Why would it be shady? Are you even capable of pointing where is that without googleMaps? If you try to spreed FUD, sell your stash and buy some shitcoins. Or open your own platform if you know it better "Shady Middlemen" because: [ Now you tell me how investors are supposed to trust them with millions of dollars if ICN holders are ever going to see any dividends. Yes you are right, now i see it, i will go and buy Purevidz or Taas or some other of the great projects that people mention here ......... Good just go! It will be better for you and for us Also, sell your ICN tokens if you have any, so I can buy them cheaply
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