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November 28, 2016, 12:40:36 PM
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I believe your idea of adding use registrations is a very bad one.
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This is what I've been trying to explain from start.

This is the best idea I've ever heard of. I've never even heard of it before.
Registration Stop Bots, and bring full security to all faucets

The Greatest Ideas We've Ever Heard

Thank you mexicantarget, You are Really Hero and Saved the faucets  Kiss

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November 28, 2016, 01:06:04 PM
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I believe your idea of adding use registrations is a very bad one.
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This is what I've been trying to explain from start.

This is the best idea I've ever heard of. I've never even heard of it before.
Registration Stop Bots, and bring full security to all faucets

The Greatest Ideas We've Ever Heard

Thank you mexicantarget, You are Really Hero and Saved the faucets  Kiss

Only Dead fish Swim with the stream,  swimming against the river is hard but you are not never alone

I also support mexicantarget idea. Registering is that, what was missing in FaucetBox.
And this is not true that someone was using FaucetBox without knowing about that.
When i was using faucets, I always care to don't use faucets with own wallet (because of many scams) and i was choosing faucets with good micropayment system.
I'm sure that many users will also care about security of their hard clicked satoshi and they will choose FaucetHub.. Actually i have no doubt!

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November 28, 2016, 05:28:07 PM
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I believe your idea of adding use registrations is a very bad one.
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This is what I've been trying to explain from start.
There's a wall of text there. Can you elaborate? Smiley

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I'll say this once and most likely only once, so that people are clear on my views about this "account" vs "no account/anon" thing. Hopefully by the end you'll understand exactly where I'm coming from and why I chose this route.

Let's look at anon accounts for a moment
First of all I would like to thank FaucetBox for their project and what they brought to the community over these past years. Thanks to them my faucets are better off. I really respect what theys stood for up until now, but I have to talk about the concept and its flaws for a little bit.

FaucetBox uses anon accounts. That is, any user with a crypto currency address can go to any faucet or website which uses faucetbox and request a claim. That user does not need an account, and they will get the coins without needing any kind of second step or hassle in between the faucet and them receiving the payment. This is how everyone (users and owners) is used to the way the current "faucet industry" works. On the surface there's nothing wrong with this and it's pretty convinient, but convinience comes at a price.

There's a lot of good things about anon accounts:

  • Is it easy for users? yes
  • Is it easy for new users? yes
  • Is it easy for faucet owners users? yes

You might think the above points are all you need to swing towards keeping the "anon" accounts side of this, but these points are exactly why it's so dangerous for th faucet industry.

But mex, my users need it easy
Do they really? Let's take a look at this: if it's easy for users it's easy for bots too.

Many people are trying to setup a new faucet today using faucetbox's "faucet in a box" script, and many of them will fail and have their faucet emptied quick. Others may have a bigger budget and can afford to stick at it a bit longer. All of these sites suffer from bot attacks. And of course what happens is they go and moan to faucetbox about their script and bots, and how they need better anti bot etc. They seem to expect that faucetbox will release a magic update which contains the best anti-bot they ever saw, that their balance can be protected and reserves for the rightful users and claimers.

Everyone by now knows the problem which bots cause. They look like regular users, they drain the faucet owners balance faster, they don't contribute to advertisement revenue, they dirty the faucet with bad IP, they give the site a bad traffic rating, they impact globally on analytics and google adsense's view of the site, and many more problems.

  • Captchas? - can be bypassed
  • IP addresses block? - bypass by VPNs and proxies 1000 times over
  • User agent? - can be faked
  • HTTP request headers? - can be faked/forged
  • Bitcoin address blacklist? - it takes 1 second or less for bots to generate another 1000 addresses

I've been running my faucets for almost a year now. I have a a lot of anti-bot mechinisms, honey pots and traps all set up to try and catch bots. In addition to automated methods I can spot bots on my sites through social engineering, looking through and chatting with users to know if they are botting or not from their behaviour and how they talk. Not every faucet owner can do this or has the time for it. There is one thing I learned the hard way: there is no real antibot.

The fight against bots is an on-going struggle which will go on forever. Especially in this day and age where it's possible to hide your IP and completely automate your entire web browser session to manipulate a site, bypass a captcha and appear exactly like a regular user.

For the above reasons the typical "faucet in a box" faucets will fail very quickly without advanced knowledge of bot detection or a custom script.

Having said all of the above, that's no reason to give up. It's better to act in a preventative way than not to act at all on the problem.

It's all about incentive
This brings me back to the original point that if its easy for users its easy for bots. If there is an incentive, however big or small, and its a quick and easy method, they will exploit it on a mass scale. "Faucet in a box" script and other similar scripts are widely used, making them an easy target. Someone can make a bot for 1 site, and it would work on all sites using the same script. They don't even need an account, it's just rinse and repeat.

So... how do accounts solve the problem?
I'll come straight out and say that they don't solve the problem, they greatly reduce the problem. Here's why: making an account on faucethub is pretty easy, but it requires a valid email address. Before they make any withdraw they have to click the link in the email and activate. This is one extra step in the process that all bots need to take before they can exploit a FaucetHub faucet. This is not a particularly hard task for a bot to do, however it does take away some incentive from a lot of botters to try doing it on a mass scale.

Having user accounts allows for a lot of other protection to be built into the platform to have the inner workings tie together multiple users, weed out shared IP addresses, find malicious user-agents, mass ban the use of one-time email addresses and bad providers, and mass ban the use of multi-wallets and all sorts of other mechanisms that are not possible without an account.

Ok, I understand why you offer accounts, but why are they forced upon every user?
If they were not forced (like other providers who have accounts as an optional thing), then we might as well not have them at all. Simply becuase botters wont make an account if they don't have to.

Is it slightly annoying for users? Yes. Is it slightly annoying for new users? Yes. Is it slightly annoying for faucet owners? Not really.

You might think that a faucet needs to be easily accessible to all users and they should be able to get their claim in 1 click with nothing else needed. Name any other site which lets you do anything useful without an account? Bank account, paypal, ebay, even this forum. They all require accounts and valid verification to use the service.

Users don't understand "magic"
A lot of faucet owners think its easy for users to use a faucet "without knowing they are using faucetbox". They are worried about user adoption and adding more steps into the processes. I think this statement is false. With all the users I've come across with my faucets there's seen so many who contact me with these questions, and I'm sure I'm not the only faucet owner who deals with this.

"How do I make an account on faucetbox?"
"Can you send direct to my wallet, I don't have an account on faucetbox"
"I did a withdraw and my coins are not in my wallet its been 12 hours!!!"
"I made an account but my balance is 0 at faucetbox where are my coins!"
"I did a withdraw to faucetbox, but I dont have an account there?Huh??"

The service that faucetbox provided is truly "magic" in the eyes of some users. They don't understand what the need or purpose for faucetbox is. They don't understand that an account does not exist on faucetbox for users, despite the site being covered with info stating they don't need it. They don't know where their coins have gone despite reading that they went to faucetbox.com.

What they do understand, whether they are new or not to bitcoin is something like this: "You got $5 on PayPal". Why do they understand this? Because they know they have an account at PayPal, and therefore they are instantly aware of where their money is and how to manage it. They won't need to ask those questions above to faucet owners OR to faucethub.

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That's a pretty long take on the situation, and I hope that people are clear on why I chose the "must have an account" route for FaucetHub. If anyone has any suggestions for the system I'm still open to hear it and discuss it, but don't expect the same kind of response in future when I've already made the above post.

This reply is aimed at everyone who PMd me trying to convince me that faucethub should be a carbon copy of faucetBOX.
Get over it. Faucet industry is going to change when FH launches.

Sorry for the long post, I don't have any potatos.

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November 29, 2016, 04:29:32 PM
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accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.
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Mex,
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November 29, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
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accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.

Of course! When you register on websites like faucets or other "no name" websites, are you using your main eamil?
If yes, treat it as a lesson: Don't do that anymore! Create new email address that you can treat as an "emergency" (something like spam folder)
You're welcome Wink

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November 29, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
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accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.

Of course! When you register on websites like faucets or other "no name" websites, are you using your main eamil?
If yes, treat it as a lesson: Don't do that anymore! Create new email address that you can treat as an "emergency" (something like spam folder)
You're welcome Wink
You no need to teach me, try to bring it to the majority part of faucet users Wink
About bots : for registration and validate email's accounts with similar to the real people do not need to have a high skill in C# or C++. However, registration will repel the average user who uses faucets and faucet owners gonna lose their traffic.
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November 30, 2016, 01:45:59 AM
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accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.
In 10 months of faucetgame's existence, I've sent less than 10 e-mails in total. I'm not looking to bank on users by spamming them.
Not even sure why you compare me with other people since you don't even know me.
You can ask my community about what I do with mails.

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Not sure how I can help you.

accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.

Of course! When you register on websites like faucets or other "no name" websites, are you using your main eamil?
If yes, treat it as a lesson: Don't do that anymore! Create new email address that you can treat as an "emergency" (something like spam folder)
You're welcome Wink
People are too lazy to remember their info. Most of them will use their main mails.

accounts = email spaming database  Tongue Alienfaucet admin proved it.

Of course! When you register on websites like faucets or other "no name" websites, are you using your main eamil?
If yes, treat it as a lesson: Don't do that anymore! Create new email address that you can treat as an "emergency" (something like spam folder)
You're welcome Wink
You no need to teach me, try to bring it to the majority part of faucet users Wink
About bots : for registration and validate email's accounts with similar to the real people do not need to have a high skill in C# or C++. However, registration will repel the average user who uses faucets and faucet owners gonna lose their traffic.
So, you're saying that sites which use faucethub wont be used anymore because faucethub has registration? lol

What you're saying makes 0 sense.

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when is done faucet script?
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when it is done faucet script?
Faucet script? 1-2 months. Might be even more. I'd recommend you use faucetbox's script until mine is done.

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I hope that this script will be better, than
all available today (micropayment faucet)
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I hope that this script will be better, than
all available today (micropayment faucet)

What is wrong with the available ones ? faucetbox script is good at all. There are other good ones like JQuery script from salmen and the script from faucetsystem.com - But you can have the best script the "biggest" problem is the faucetowner himself if he promise an ultra high reward and a ultra high referral comission too  - so everbody does just a claim with normal address once to get the referral link and after that he claimed only with the referal link and you payout the reward and the high referral to one single person - but the real nightmare is that this faucet is now more attractive to botusers (and than you have a BIG problem). So calculate your reward and referral comission that the most users get it but dont calculate with bots. And sure You dont have just to put the script on your webspace and you are done - somethings have to modyfied manually (in ex .htaccess) - faucets are high-traffic sites connected to the real www - I think a lot of dont know what this really means to be a webmaster.
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November 30, 2016, 05:55:41 AM
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It would be nice, to make a registration in the script
before users can claim the reward.
in epay scenarios disappear ads on small resolution
in faucetbox have such an error https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1094930.msg16955530#msg16955530
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It looks nice, as an alternative to other faucetbox, hopefully there could be better and easier to collecting bitcoin. And the ads not hard to loading.

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November 30, 2016, 11:42:52 AM
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I'll say this once and most likely only once, so that people are clear on my views about this "account" vs "no account/anon" thing. Hopefully by the end you'll understand exactly where I'm coming from and why I chose this route.
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bots
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Yes, it will hinder bot progress a little bit. By the time they all adopt, it will be too late, though -- we'd already be stuck with a less convenient system :(

And you know full-well, it's basically a one-liner to setup a new email address (Or to do it in bulk and then just pick from the pool or whatever) with a proper lib. Every serious bot developer already has this in his toolkit.

Users don't understand "magic"
A lot of faucet owners think its easy for users to use a faucet "without knowing they are using faucetbox". They are worried about user adoption and adding more steps into the processes. I think this statement is false. With all the users I've come across with my faucets there's seen so many who contact me with these questions, and I'm sure I'm not the only faucet owner who deals with this.

"How do I make an account on faucetbox?"
"Can you send direct to my wallet, I don't have an account on faucetbox"
"I did a withdraw and my coins are not in my wallet its been 12 hours!!!"
"I made an account but my balance is 0 at faucetbox where are my coins!"
"I did a withdraw to faucetbox, but I dont have an account there??????"

That's actually completely true. I will adjust my stance on this point.

Users start out not understanding either system. They still need to get some education. Instead of learning some cool crypto ideas with FB; they'll just pick the same old "you need an account to do anything, it's like your bank" with FH.

Oh well.



OK, all that aside, can you please elaborate on:

1. Will users be able to reclaim their wallets using message signing?
2. What is the best migration path for referrals? Unless they all showup and get FH accounts, lots of satoshi are going to get stuck.
3. What do you think about PayPal model of doing things? (You don't need an account to receive payments, but you DO need one if you ever want to withdraw them). In other words, removing error 456, while leaving everything else as is?




FaucetHub is going to be a faucet itself, in a direct competition with faucet owners it aims to help. Like cattle to the slaughter, and people are cheering ;)

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November 30, 2016, 01:07:31 PM
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FaucetHUB is going to host own faucet or games? There's nothing wrong with that, good idea indeed.

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November 30, 2016, 01:08:53 PM
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FaucetHUB is going to host own faucet or games? There's nothing wrong with that, good idea indeed.
Just 1-2 games, that's all.
I'm not planning to add a "faucet" on the site though.

There's going to be a promo tab for other game websites, where site owners will be able to advertise their phone applications & bitcoin game websites Smiley

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I'll be on FH chat later on, so we discuss regarding your questions

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December 01, 2016, 03:27:23 AM
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IMPORTANT NEWS: Tomorrow, Thursday 1st, 11PM UK time, there's going to be a BTC0.1 rain. Be there. Don't miss the free bitcoins!

Today will be the official launch day. 12/1/2016.

BETA thread has been locked. This thread will serve as official FaucetHUB.io thread until further notice.

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December 01, 2016, 06:11:55 AM
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Seen the withdrawal fees  Shocked Huh Shocked

They are huge.
Do you think there're so many stupids to bear them?

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