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https://www.smithandcrown.com/qtum-ico-building-first-utxo-proof-stake-smart-contract-platform/

that's a good post.

Qtum ICO: Building the first UTXO proof-of-stake smart contract platform
Update 3/2: Qtum has announced its token sale dates: March 16th – April 15th. They have also launched a new website and reopened their slack channel. They have also released several demos of their blockchain, including a technical walkthrough and a demo of a working qtum mobile wallet. 

Update 2/28: Recent accusations have dogged the Qtum project. Here is an abbreviated version of recent events. ICOcountdown has compiled several days worth of relevant communication here, where we found much of the source material.

Here is a highlight of our thoughts at this time. Below, we provide a brief recounting of events, then explain our five takeaways.

There is not enough information to conclusively judge Dai’s character, but his involvement in Bitbay and his attempt to hide it casts a shadow on his credibility.
Given the high-profile third-party backing, it is unlikely Qtum is a scam.
Qtum should improve its transparency, open up its Slack or explain why signups were stopped, and release some form of code or demonstration product.
Interested parties should ignore several red herrings in this issue: PwC’s involvement, Dai’s multiple names, and Caspal’s Rubik’s cube record.
The community should not expect this to be a fully decentralized project at launch.
We will update our thoughts if more information emerges. We have reached out to the Qtum team for an interview. If there are any issues this analysis does not address, please let us know.

What has happened?
First, project Lead Patrick Dai was once the Steven Dai associated with the Bitbay scandal in 2014. Joshua Bouw of Blockcoin exclaimed on February 21 in a series of tweets that Patrick Dai was the Steven Dai “that fucked #bitbay and David Zimbeck.” In 2014, Zimbeck posted an account of the scandal on reddit; in it, he frames Steven as the one who originally approached him about Bitbay but then got “pushed around” by other members of the team, who then go on to try to extort David. In a recent letter addressing the accusation, Zimbeck seems to slightly change the narrative in presenting Dai as a thief and possible scammer. He also says Dai did in fact steal both Bitcoin and BitBay when he left and never returned many inquiries from Zimbeck about repayment.

At first, Qtum appeared to ignore and resist the accusations that Patrick and Steven were the same. However, on February 25th, Patrick admitted to using the pseudonym Steven Dai and being involved in BitBay, though he claims he returned all of BitBays funds before he left in 2015. Shortly thereafter, the Qtum foundation also released an official letter on the topic with the conclusion, “After studying the subject matter thoroughly, [we] see no fault in Mr. Dai’s past activities and regards the accusations as groundless.”

Since then, bitcointalk has erupted in accusations of scam and scandal. Qtum disabled signups to its slack channel, and beyond the letter posted in slack and reposted on bitcointalk, has not officially addressed the issue. While this controversy blankets English-language discussion of Qtum, it’s worth noting that at time of writing, neither major Chinese crypto media nor Qtum’s Chinese-language communities are discussing the issue. In addition, Qtum still has not released additional information about the sales terms less then twelve hours before the ICO is scheduled to launch on several exchanges.

Here are our thoughts on the situation.

There is not enough information to conclusively judge Dai’s character, but his involvement in Bitbays and his attempt to hide it casts a shadow on his credibility. It’s not clear why Zimbeck’s initial account cast Steven as a victim while his recent one casts him as a thief and possibly a mastermind. It’s also not clear why he would lie about it now. Some accuse Zimbeck of trying to pump the BitBay price, but this is unlikely–he has spent years disproving the defamation campaign BitBay team members waged and it’s not plausible that he would consciously throw it away. Zimbeck likely didn’t know what went on behind the scenes of BitBay–if he witnessed a Dai-led conspiracy to oust him, he could have posted it. Based on the information that has been posted, there are multiple ways to interpret what actually happened behind the scenes at BitBay. One’s interpretation would color one’s judgement of Dai. Ultimately, only Dai really knows what his involvement was. But he should have disclosed his version of it and now, he should do something to rectify it. 
Given the high-profile third-party backing, it is unlikely Qtum is a scam. Despite what one thinks of Dai’s character, it is not the only relevant consideration in evaluating Qtum as a whole. If Dai did intend to mislead investors, the list of people deceived would include Roger Ver, Anthony Di lorio, business professor and angel investor David Lee Kuo Chuen, and Bo Shen of Fenbushi Capital, among others1. Of course, that’s not unheard of: Elizabeth Holmes’ team presumably misled investors about Theranos for years. However, Theranos-level scandals are far more rare than random pump-and-dump schemes. Even scandals like BitBay lacked third-party endorsement. The DAO was certainly a third-party-endorsed debacle but it was not a scam.
Qtum should improve its transparency, open up its Slack, and release its code or a public alpha. Dai should have disclosed his prior involvement to both his team and probably to the community. Dai’s recent success was also an opportunity to make things right with Zimbeck. Dai’s team members initially expressed surprise about the BitBay scandal and mocked the accusations. That looks bad, and Qtum should apologize beyond the formal letter it released. Finally, Qtum should also respond to accusations that there is no actual code. It’s not unheard of for teams offering enterprise-oriented software to keep code hidden from Github, but given prevailing concerns, they should make something available, even if it’s only snippets to show there is actually software. Overall, Qtum has an opportunity to apologize and course correct. It should take it.
Investors should ignore several red herrings in this issue: PwC’s involvement, Dai’s multiple names, and Pascal’s Rubik’s cube record. PwC’s involvement is not surprising: a project like Qtum would seek out major corporate partnerships to help it interface with the business community, its target market. The retraction of mentioning PwC’s involvement is also not surprising: small companies with large partnerships lined up do mistakenly release the information before it’s been fully authorized. As for Dai’s multiple aliases, it’s not uncommon in Chinese culture for people to go by different names in different professional and social settings. Given names are generally only used by close family members and friends, while professional pseudonyms are often used in business settings. Many people use an English handle when dealing with foreigners. It’s a little unusual for Dai to use multiple English pseudonyms, but not altogether unheard of. Finally, a Coinjournal article has accused Qtum’s “Caspal” of lying about his rubik’s cube accomplishments. Caspal (the current English name for Yunqi Ouyang) has his Rubik’s cube record available here, which backs up a literal interpretation of the claims on his qtum profile. As with all the team bios, Qtum should have linked to it.
The community should not expect this to be a fully decentralized project right out of the gate. Qtum has emphasized a focus on blockchain industry applications and regulatory compliance. The Qtum economy white paper says that, “the design of the Foundation’s governance structure mainly considers sustainability, management effectiveness, and fund-raising security”. The token distribution will be more centralized than other projects. Given that only 49% of tokens will be distributed during the ICO, the team will be able to retain a controlling stake with only a modest investment. The governing foundation also won’t hold elections for two years. This shouldn’t be surprising. Taking a step back, one must acknowledge that this project is backed by many well connected people in one of the world’s most centralized advanced nations: releasing an early-stage fully decentralized project in the context of Chinese political and economic norms is probably not feasible. This could change in the future, but the team seemingly made all aspects of governance predictable and controllable for two years. Perhaps ownership of the network will become more decentralized over time as the foundation distributes its token holdings, but there is no guarantee it will. The revelations about Dai do not change any of these factors.
S+C Assessment
Qtum will be a proof-of-stake, smart-contract compatible blockchain that can natively run both Bitcoin-based and Ethereum-based applications. The Qtum team plans to take public ledgers to the business mainstream.

From the standpoint of a potential investor and supporter, here are the key arguments for and against investing.

Key Strengths

This has one of the most impressive advisory teams the blockchain industry has seen in awhile. The success of platform technologies like Qtum, especially enterprise-oriented ones, will depend on business adoption. Like Melonport, Qtum’s team has a collective network that touches many of the world’s largest companies.
Qtum is the first to implement a protocol based on both Bitcoin’s and Ethereum’s transaction models. Developers on either chain (or their variants) in theory should be able to port applications easily.
It is likely that the Chinese government will tend to support blockchain projects based in China. Qtum boasts technical innovations, a stellar team, and existing support within the Chinese blockchain community. If the Chinese government chooses to discourage blockchains not based in China, Qtum should make the cut–and be a platform of choice for a growing developer community and almost 20%
Key Concerns

While the governance structure is billed as a DAO, coinholders will not have much influence over decisions. Only 51% of the tokens are available during the crowdsale: 49% are held by the development team or initial investors in some way. In addition, the initial governance membership is set for two years, so coinholders will not have a say for awhile. In addition, while the community will elect 50 delegates to serve across all relevant committees, it’s not clear how the most powerful committee is chosen among them.
The ‘capacity’ of the development community to build on yet another platform chain will be tested. Bitcoin and Ethereum have emerged as the primary platforms on which people can build, but more have emerged in 2016 (Waves, Lisk, Antshares) and more are in development (Cosmos, Rootstock). If each becomes its own developer and user ecosystem, there will be large network effects that will leave some platforms niche or mostly empty.
Project Description
What is the project?

Qtum will be a proof-of-stake (PoS), smart-contract compatible blockchain that can natively run both Bitcoin-based and Ethereum-based applications. The protocol uses Bitcoin’s UXTO model of storing transactions, while also supporting oracles and two types of smart contracts. Applications built for Bitcoin, Etheruem, or either of their derivatives, should be able to port easily. The team is stacked with talent and experience, especially in business, and has framed Qtum as a the public ledger most prepared for business dapps.

Bitcoin + Ethereum compatible: Qtum uses many features of the Bitcoin core blockchain, particularly its UTXO approach for storing transactions. This makes individual coins traceable. Qtum has a layer that abstracts the UTXO data into something the Ethereum Virtual Machine can read. This allows it to interact with both Bitcoin-based and Ethereum-based applications. Qtum will actually make this feature open-source, so any UTXO chain can use it to integrate with an EVM.
Protocol Governance: Qtum will have a unique governance approach that is a hybrid of recognizable corporate governance, management models for open-source software, and blockchain-based consensus. The Qtum Blockchain Foundation, a Singapore non-profit, oversees the codebase, helps promote cohesion in the community, and represents Qtum to the external world. 50 people will staff one master committee and four sub-committees, with members serving two-year terms. Initial membership is already defined but the community will elect 50 representatives when their term is over.
Master Contracts: are smart contracts that can execute based on off-chain or on-chain factors. Current designs of smart contracts are limited to checking on-chain data, so sources of off-chain data (oracles) must publish data to the chain itself; then whenever the smart contract is executed and verified, it checks readily-available on-chain data. Qtum has proposed a way for trusted data entities, such as official institutions or organizations, to provide data off-chain that master contracts can access.
Proof of Stake: The team will use Blackcoin’s proof-of-stake consensus model. Their outreach has led them to conclude businesses are not comfortable with a proof-of-work consensus model. Using a PoS model with some semi-trusted nodes would assuage CEOs that a rogue mining outfit or state-sponsored hashpower attack couldn’t disrupt the network.
In the future, Qtum will also have a native identity module that will provide users who register with a special designation that dapp developers and businesses can integrate with their on-chain activities. Some businesses are understandably uncomfortable with the thought of anonymous users. Identity could be solved at the application layer, but a native module would take the burden off developers. Users could still use Qtum without registering.

What is the token being sold?
The Qtum token serves multiple roles on the network. It’s used to pay fees, determine the distribution of newly minted tokens through a PoS mechanism, and grants holders voting rights in the Qtum governance organization.

Fees

Qtum tokens will be used to pay fees associated with executing smart contracts (similar to Ethereum’s Gas). At the time of writing, the exact fee structure hasn’t been determined but it will be different from both Bitcoin and Ethereum.

Proof of Stake Minting

Token holders will be able to passively collect mining rewards by setting up a minting node and participating in consensus. Like other PoS schemes, validators will be required to stake some ammount of their token holdings to earn rewards. Coin age and the size of the user’s stake will determine the distribution of rewards.

Governance

Many of the most important governance and business decisions will be made by the Qtum Judgment Committee, which serves many of the same functions as the board of directors would at a traditional corporation. The Judgement Committee consists of 9 core members which are elected by token holders. The weight of votes in this liquid democracy depends on the size and age of user holdings.

What are the sale terms?
At the time of writing, Qtum hasn’t released detailed sales terms. However, they have released a list of (primarily China-based) exchanges that will be participating in the crowdsale. Qtum tokens will be available to purchase during the crowdsale from Bizhongchou, Yunbi, Yuanbao, Allcoin, and ICO365, though they say the list might change before the crowdsale start date.

On March 2, they announced that they plan to conduct KYC on all customers (through the exchanges) and will not offer Qtum tokens through a crowdsale website.

Token Distribution

Initially, only 51% of Qtum tokens will be allocated to crowdsale participants. Of the remainder, 20% will be distributed to the founding team and early investors and 29% will be used fund research and development efforts.



Over time, proportional ownership of Qtum tokens will shift towards the community as new coins are minted and the Qtum Foundation sells their share of tokens to finance development efforts. Four years after launch, Qtum estimates that 80% of tokens will be owned by the community.

What is the project status?
Initial seed funding

Qtum has already undergone an initial round of funding. Their earliest backers are an impressive cohort of Blockchain entrepreneurs that includes Anthony Di lorio, one of the original founders of Ethereum; and Weixing Chen the founder of Kuaidi, a ride hailing service that outcompeted Uber and contributed to their decision to leave China.

To date, Qtum has secured at least $1 million in seed funding.

Early projects

Qtum has already has a few significant dapp projects in development. Spring Mail promises to make sending cryptocurrency as easy as sending an email with a new Blockchain integrated Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (BiSMTP). Spring Mail works with existing SMTP protocols to facilitate the transfer of cryptocurrency between users.

In a similar vein, Qtum will also build a wallet called “Qloha” on WeChat’s new “mini programs” platform. The WeChat wallet would allow users to send Qtum tokens to other users as well as purchase products from WeChat store fronts.

Leading up to the crowdsale, the Qtum team has been focused on developing their technology and, as a result, doesn’t plan to announce any other major business partnerships beyond Spring Mail and the WeChat wallet.

Who is the team behind the project?
Qtum has assembled one of the most impressive advisory teams in the Chinese Blockchain industry. However, in light of the issues surrounding Dai, there is obvious reason to doubt the credentials of the development team. The Qtum English webpage does not provide last names, Chinese names, or links to third-party identify verifications like LinkedIn or GitHub; however, full names of team members can be found in the economy white paper. As we note above, we recommend Qtum provide full names, links to previous work, and verification of their involvement in the project. To our knowledge, no one has proven information in the brief team bios was falsified, though Dai’s former involvement in BitBay was not disclosed.

Five team members don’t seem to have easily discoverable online identities, including Neil Mahi, Dong Baiqiang, Mike Palencia, Amelie Zhao, and Time Markov. That being said, many team members do have LinkedIn accounts or personal websites.

It is possible to locate the GitHub repository of Jordan Earls, Qtum’s lead developer. This contains numerous code reviews of other altcoins, though it has not been active for a year. He does not appear to have an easily-discoverable LinkedIn profile.

Caspal was formerly employed at Baidu as a quality assurance developer, China’s most popular search engine, often described as the “Chinese Google”.

Alex Dulub is the CEO at PixelPlex Inc., a Belarus based Blockchain development lab. He has more than 10 years of experience working as a full-stack web developer.

Roman Asadchiy is a Project manager at PixelPlex with a background in business analysis.

Brett Fincaryk has more than 11 years of experience in Linux server management at Userful.

Official Resources
Website
Technical white paper
Governance and Economy white paper
Bitcointalk
Github (at time of writing, holds zero repositories)
Smith + Crown do not know either Zimbeck, Dai, or anyone involved in the BitBay scandal. We have no special or privileged information. Based on what has been posted, there are multiple ways to interpret what actually happened behind the scenes at BitBay. One’s interpretation would color one’s judgement of Dai. One plausible alternative interpretation is that Dai thought he was a minor character in the whole affair, fled when he saw it going south, and didn’t feel beholden to a group of people he met on the internet and concluded he couldn’t trust. Not defending Zimbeck would have been low but not nefarious. It would be undeniably human to feel ashamed of this and want to avoid it. It’s possible we will never get all the facts about what happened at BitBay.
Roger Ver has confirmed his involvement with Qtum in an interview with 8btc.com. Anthony Di Iorio confirmed his through twitter. Bo Shen of Fenbushi Capital signed the letter from the Qtum Foundation regarding issue of Patrick/Steven Dai. Other prominent members the project claims are involved have had plenty of time to deny involvement.
Update: We have also updated this to clarify our earlier statements about the “impressive team” as referring to the advisory team. We also updated our team section to acknowledge that many (non-advisor) team members don’t have verifiable identities, though as we noted, Pascal’s Rubik’s Cube record can be verified and lead developer Jordan Earls does have a GitHub account.



what you want to say, pls give me a summary
that's fucking too long to read..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWHe-xYIpU&t=604s

what's this Russian guy are talking about?

Cингaпypcкий cтapтaп Qtum oпyбликoвaл экoнoмичecкyю мoдeль пpoeктa
Ceгoдня, 9 фeвpaля, cтapтaп Qtum, кoтopый paзpaбaтывaeт нoвый пyбличный блoкчeйн, coвмeщaющий ocнoвныe acпeкты блoкчeйнoв биткoинa и Ethereum, oпyбликoвaл whitepaper экoнoмичecкoй мoдeли пpoeктa.



Cтapтaп Qtum paбoтaeт нaд coздaниeм блoкчeйн-плaтфopмы для выпoлнeния cмapт-кoнтpaктoв и дeцeнтpaлизoвaнныx пpилoжeний, aнaлoгичнoй блoкчeйнy Ethereum. Oднaкo, в oтличиe oт Ethereum, блoкчeйн Qtum пocтpoeн нa мoдeли тpaнзaкций UTXO, иcпoльзyeмoй в блoкчeйнe биткoинa.

«Mы пyбликyeм этoт whitepaper, тaк кaк xoтим, чтoбы кoммьюнити пoнимaлo, чтo нaшa кoмaндa диcциплиниpoвaннa и opгaнизoвaннa. Бoльшинcтвo блoкчeйн-пpoeктoв yпycкaют этoт acпeкт из видa пpи cтapтe, и имeннo диcциплинa пoмoжeт нaм дocтичь ycпexa», — гoвopит ocнoвaтeль Qtum Пaтpик Дaи.
Whitepaper coдepжит oпиcaниe pядa cepвиcoв, coздaнныx для oбъeдинeния блoкчeйнa и финaнcoвoгo миpa пyтeм измeнeния кoммepчecкoй и peгyлятopнoй cpeды пpи пoмoщи cмapт-кoнтpaктoв. Taкжe эти cepвиcы дaют вoзмoжнocть иcпoльзoвaть cмapт-кoнтpaкты для oпepaтивнoгo oтoбpaжeния дaнныx o фoндoвыx pынкax, мeтeoпpoгнoзoв, нoвocтныx блoкoв и тaк дaлee.

Пoмимo этoгo, whitepaper oпиcывaeт плaн cтapтaпa пo coздaнию интepфeйca взaимoдeйcтвия мeждy блoкчeйн-ceтью Qtum c oднoй cтopoны и кoммepчecкими пpeдпpиятиями и пpaвитeльcтвeнными cтpyктypaми c дpyгoй cтopoны.

«Цeлью Qtum являeтcя coздaниe нaибoлee cтaбильнoгo и yдoбнoгo блoкчeйнa для чacтныx лиц и бизнeca. Taкжe мы xoтим, чтoбы люди знaли, ктo paбoтaeт для ниx и чтo зa люди нaxoдятcя зa cтpoчкaми кoдa», — дoбaвил Дaи.
Haпoмним, чтo в янвape этoгo гoдa cтapтaп Qtum пoлyчил $1 млн инвecтиций, a в чиcлo инвecтopoв вoшли тaкиe извecтныe в кpиптoвaлютнoм пpocтpaнcтвe пpeдпpинимaтeли, кaк oдин из ocнoвaтeлeй Ethereum и CEO кaнaдcкoй кoмпaнии Decentral Энтoни ди Иopиo и CEO китaйcкoй биткoин-биpжи OKCoin Cтap Cюй. Кpoмe тoгo, кoмпaнию пpoфинaнcиpoвaли ocнoвaтeль BitFund Cяoлaй Ли и пapтнep вeнчypнoгo фoндa Fenbushi Capital Бo Шeн.
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March 04, 2017, 02:39:33 PM
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do not post some shits no one can understand.
Also pls talk more about the technology.

who is take care of this thread now?

what's the difference of Qtum and Ethereum?

after the long reading, it's seems Qtum just copy everything from Ethereum?

pls explain it dev!

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do not post some shits no one can understand.
Also pls talk more about the technology.

who is take care of this thread now?

what's the difference of Qtum and Ethereum?

after the long reading, it's seems Qtum just copy everything from Ethereum?

pls explain it dev!

some newbie account?

Qtum is different from Ethereum, use your brain and do more research before you post.



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March 04, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
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half-ass Sherlock usual BS ...

Possible that Time and Toni are brothers/twins?

Yes does not look like it's the same person, different hair color and face, possibly siblings.

But the point is the trolls are trying to make such small details seem like a big deal, it means they don't have anything solid.

Looks like that troll forgot to take his meds again today!

Let's try the comparison again, but this time sans the pictures:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/time-markov-6403874/

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Education

 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Degree Name Postgraduate Field Of Study Embedded systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010
PIC, ARM, DSP

Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje, Postgraduate
 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Techniques, Informatics and Automation
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

https://www.linkedin.com/in/toni-markov-a7314a52/

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Education

University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Master's degree Field Of Study Embedded Systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010

University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Science, Computer Engineering and Automation Grade 8,5
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

Is that solid enough for you, cocksuckeroverflow?

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Software engineer with about 8 years professional experience with C/C++ Qt and QML (Qt3, Qt4 and Qt5).
Work experience on a projects which include QML as a UI part of the applications.
Worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.
Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Specialties

C/C++, Qt, QML, Software Architecture and Design

Toni Markov

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High level of knowledge in programming languages: C++; JAVA; C#, QML, Embedded C, XML/XSL, HTML, Python Script, Ant Script, UML;

More then 5 years professional experience with C/C++ and Qt framework Qt (Qt3.3, Qt4.8, QML, QtWebKit) worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.

Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Working experience in follow database: My SQL, MS SQL

Working experience with the programming packages and frameworks: Microsoft Visual Studio 2008, Eclipse, Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0, QT framework, ACE framework, .Net Framework, IBM Rational Rose , IAR Embedded Workbench, MPLAB IDE, different types of source control software.

Experience with different network and OS architectures

Programming and debugging on follow embedded systems: Microchip PIC, ARM 7 processor, Freescale DSP.

what you want to say ?  Shocked
maybe they are brothers.
please do more research for us to see if they are just brothers?
thank you gleb, you did a great work.  Grin 
the more you post, the less i will invest into this problem project.

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March 04, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
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do not post some shits no one can understand.
Also pls talk more about the technology.

who is take care of this thread now?

what's the difference of Qtum and Ethereum?

after the long reading, it's seems Qtum just copy everything from Ethereum?

pls explain it dev!

some newbie account?

Qtum is different from Ethereum, use your brain and do more research before you post.





what's wrong with newbie account? you were a newbie account earlier.

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The bloody truth!

I was also very interested in this project according to the social media. However, I can only find the truth here.
It looks like a total scam designing for cheat Chinese richy fools.



5000 Chinese people will buy this coin.  Grin

Let them do, there is always something good that is going to come up and more exciting than Qtum. I was happy carrying the Signature during their campaign and even tried to convinced some of my friends new to crypto to do so, but with the new revelation about the team, I will let this pass.

there is always something good that is going to come up and more exciting than Qtum

tell me which project?i will invest.

The good project that makes you rich or a good ROI is only once per year as I see it and Qtum would have been the one of 2017. But all these allegations and no communication by the team leaves you to doubt them. Unfortuately there is no project I noticed yet. If you know, say it out loud so we can benefit too

tell me which one, i will use my credit card to buy

thank you.



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Qtum Technical Introduction and Demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSK_FNpzyYk


Description: "In this video Jordan Earls, the lead developer of the Qtum project, gives an introduction to the technologies present in Qtum, and then shows two demonstrations of this technology in action. First a demo is presented of an Android application interacting with a multi-party smart contract through the SPV protocol. Afterwards, another demo is presented showing the deployment of a contract to the Qtum blockchain using the unmodified browser-solidity compiler.

Find out more information about the Qtum project at http://qtum.org"


how is the Qtum technology? any comments on this demo video?

is it good or shit?

thank you

It looks good, but I would like to see more feedback.
nice to see another newbie account.
how old are you?  Cheesy

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do not post some shits no one can understand.
Also pls talk more about the technology.

who is take care of this thread now?

what's the difference of Qtum and Ethereum?

after the long reading, it's seems Qtum just copy everything from Ethereum?

pls explain it dev!

some newbie account?

Qtum is different from Ethereum, use your brain and do more research before you post.





what's wrong with newbie account? you were a newbie account earlier.


so you like XEL ? maybe let's go back to XEL thread.
i will teach you something about XEL.

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Angel Backer Team


  Anthony Di Iorio

Ethereum Founder
CEO at JAXX Wallet

  Bo Shen

Advocate/Advisor at FenBuShi Capital


  David Lee Kuo Chen

Founder of Left Coast, Libai
and Dlee Capital Management

  Jehan Chu

Jen Advisors
Ethereum Hong Kong Meetup

  Jeremy Gardner

Cofounder of Augur
EIR at Blockchain Capital

  Lihua Yi

Partner at ZhongWo Investment


 Qingzhong Gao


Director of HuaWei Strategic Cooperation


 Roger Ver


First Major Investor in Bitcoin Startups


 Weixing Chen


Billionaire founder of KuaiDi


 Xiolai Li


Chinese Angel Investor


 Xu Star


CEO at OKcoin


why roger ver and Xu star both invest into Qtum?
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Response to the Recent Attacks Against The Qtum Project:
via Slack - qtum-brett:
 
Many people following this thread may have noticed there have been attempts to discredit the Qtum project.  One needs only to look at the tactics being employed. There is a term used commonly on this forum called: “FUD”, which Wikipedia.org describes as:

“Fear, uncertainty and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy used in sales, marketing,public relations,talk radio, politics, religious organizations, and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.”

What we are seeing right now is exactly this, an attempt to undermine, call into question, create evidence, and in essence: “Fud the project”. Most veteran readers of this forum are familiar with this.  The issue that legitimate projects face is by simply responding, the bar is lowered and it drags the project into the depths of internet trolling. By remaining anonymous, an accuser can simply post whatever they want as bait, regardless of of whether it’s false ortaken completely out of context. This does not mean we are hiding or afraid to post on our own channels, it means that we will not fuel attacks by giving them attention.

The Qtum project is a vast undertaking.  Over the next 2 weeks as we lead up to the token sale, there will be a lot of content released that shows how we were able to raise $1 million in Angel backing and gather so much positive attention in the press.  Please note that as source code starts to be released, and other content is presented, the attacks will persist.  Please also remember that this is not the only big project that has experienced this and went onto become very successful.

These attacks have fallen completely flat on the Chinese community, as they recognize “Fud” for what it is, and they pay little attention to western channels like Bitcointalk. Qtum’s amazing team of Angel Backers have all experienced this type of behavior in the blockchain space, and none of these attacks affect their view of the project. Note that attempts to call into question their mere existence failed, and tactics were changed to attack the actual team members individually.

Our partnership with PwC remains firm, and legitimate concerns about the project (like how the funds will be handled,exchanges, token distribution, when the test network is released, etc) will be addressed.  Right now the focus is on building the community, releasing content, press articles, and of course, the source code.

Very soon there will be a great opportunity to judge the project based on its accomplishments, above and beyond raising money and press attention.  We ask that anyone affected by these attacks to take a sober second look at the project, and make their own informed decisions.Sincerely,The Qtum TeamMarch 3rd, 2017
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half-ass Sherlock usual BS ...

Possible that Time and Toni are brothers/twins?

Yes does not look like it's the same person, different hair color and face, possibly siblings.

But the point is the trolls are trying to make such small details seem like a big deal, it means they don't have anything solid.

Looks like that troll forgot to take his meds again today!

Let's try the comparison again, but this time sans the pictures:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/time-markov-6403874/

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 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
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Degree Name Postgraduate Field Of Study Embedded systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010
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Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje, Postgraduate
 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Techniques, Informatics and Automation
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

https://www.linkedin.com/in/toni-markov-a7314a52/

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University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Master's degree Field Of Study Embedded Systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010

University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Science, Computer Engineering and Automation Grade 8,5
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

Is that solid enough for you, cocksuckeroverflow?

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Work experience on a projects which include QML as a UI part of the applications.
Worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.
Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Specialties

C/C++, Qt, QML, Software Architecture and Design

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High level of knowledge in programming languages: C++; JAVA; C#, QML, Embedded C, XML/XSL, HTML, Python Script, Ant Script, UML;

More then 5 years professional experience with C/C++ and Qt framework Qt (Qt3.3, Qt4.8, QML, QtWebKit) worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.

Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Working experience in follow database: My SQL, MS SQL

Working experience with the programming packages and frameworks: Microsoft Visual Studio 2008, Eclipse, Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0, QT framework, ACE framework, .Net Framework, IBM Rational Rose , IAR Embedded Workbench, MPLAB IDE, different types of source control software.

Experience with different network and OS architectures

Programming and debugging on follow embedded systems: Microchip PIC, ARM 7 processor, Freescale DSP.

Hi Gleb, can you help do some research on Qtum angel investors? seems they have a good angel investor team, is any of the angel investor is a scammer?

thank you very much

Angel Backer Team


  Anthony Di Iorio

Ethereum Founder
CEO at JAXX Wallet

  Bo Shen

Advocate/Advisor at FenBuShi Capital


  David Lee Kuo Chen

Founder of Left Coast, Libai
and Dlee Capital Management

  Jehan Chu

Jen Advisors
Ethereum Hong Kong Meetup

  Jeremy Gardner

Cofounder of Augur
EIR at Blockchain Capital

  Lihua Yi

Partner at ZhongWo Investment


 Qingzhong Gao


Director of HuaWei Strategic Cooperation


 Roger Ver


First Major Investor in Bitcoin Startups


 Weixing Chen


Billionaire founder of KuaiDi


 Xiolai Li


Chinese Angel Investor


 Xu Star


CEO at OKcoin

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Many people following this thread may have noticed there have been attempts to discredit the Qtum project.  One needs only to look at the tactics being employed. There is a term used commonly on this forum called: “FUD”, which Wikipedia.org describes as:

“Fear, uncertainty and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a disinformation strategy used in sales, marketing,public relations,talk radio, politics, religious organizations, and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.”

What we are seeing right now is exactly this, an attempt to undermine, call into question, create evidence, and in essence: “Fud the project”. Most veteran readers of this forum are familiar with this.  The issue that legitimate projects face is by simply responding, the bar is lowered and it drags the project into the depths of internet trolling. By remaining anonymous, an accuser can simply post whatever they want as bait, regardless of of whether it’s false ortaken completely out of context. This does not mean we are hiding or afraid to post on our own channels, it means that we will not fuel attacks by giving them attention.

The Qtum project is a vast undertaking.  Over the next 2 weeks as we lead up to the token sale, there will be a lot of content released that shows how we were able to raise $1 million in Angel backing and gather so much positive attention in the press.  Please note that as source code starts to be released, and other content is presented, the attacks will persist.  Please also remember that this is not the only big project that has experienced this and went onto become very successful.

These attacks have fallen completely flat on the Chinese community, as they recognize “Fud” for what it is, and they pay little attention to western channels like Bitcointalk. Qtum’s amazing team of Angel Backers have all experienced this type of behavior in the blockchain space, and none of these attacks affect their view of the project. Note that attempts to call into question their mere existence failed, and tactics were changed to attack the actual team members individually.

Our partnership with PwC remains firm, and legitimate concerns about the project (like how the funds will be handled,exchanges, token distribution, when the test network is released, etc) will be addressed.  Right now the focus is on building the community, releasing content, press articles, and of course, the source code.

Very soon there will be a great opportunity to judge the project based on its accomplishments, above and beyond raising money and press attention.  We ask that anyone affected by these attacks to take a sober second look at the project, and make their own informed decisions.Sincerely,The Qtum TeamMarch 3rd, 2017

so you know TheByzantineGeneral problems?

are you a developer?

can you tell me the difference of BFT and PBFT ? Smiley

Byzantine Generals Problem and its Applications
Byzantine General Problem
    The Classic Problem
   Each division of Byzantine army are directed its own general
   Generals, some of which are traitors, communicate each other by messengers
   Requirements:
   All loyal generals decide upon the same plan of action
   A small number of traitors cannot cause the loyal generals to adopt a bad plan
   The problem can be restated as:
   All loyal generals receive the same information upon which they will somehow get to the same decision
   The information sent by a loyal general should be used by all the other loyal generals
   The above problem can be reduced into a series of one commanding general and multiple lieutenants problem - Byzantine Generals Problem :
   All loyal lieutenants obey the same order
   If the commanding general is loyal, then every loyal lieutenant obeys the order she sends
Reliability by Majority Voting
    One way to achieve reliability is to have multiple replica of system (or component) and take the majority voting among them
   In order for the majority voting to yield a reliable system, the following two conditions should be satisfied:
   All non-faulty components must use the same input value
   If the input unit is non-faulty, then all non-faulty components use the value it provides as input
Impossibility Results
    No solution exists if less than or equal to 2/3 generals are loyal
A Solution with Oral Messages - No Signature
Oral Message Requirements and their Implications
    A1 - Every message that is sent is delivered correctly
   The failure of communication medium connecting two components is indistinguishable from component failure
   Line failure just adds one more traitor component
   A2 - The receiver of a message knows who sent it
   No switched network is allowed
   The later requirement -- A4 nullifies this constraint
   A3 - The absence of a message can be detected
   Timeout mechanism is needed
Solution
    If less than 1/3 generals are traitors, this problem can be solved
   Algorithm - recursive
   Lieutenants recursively forward orders to all the other lieutenants
   Commander's order = majority (v(c), v(1), v(2), ..., v(n))
   v(i) = majority (v(i), v(i)(2), v(i)(3), ..., v(i)(n)), 1<= i <= n
   v(i)(j) = majority (v(i)(j), v(i)(j)(3), v(i)(j)(4), ...)
   ...
A Solution with Signed Messages
Additional Requirements and their Implications
    A4:
   A loyal general's signature cannot be forged
   Anyone can verify the authenticity of a general's signature
   Implication
   Digital signature is required
Solution
    If at least two generals are loyal, this problem can be solved
   Algorithm - recursive
   Lieutenants recursively augment orders with their signature and forward them to all the other lieutenants
   Each lieutenant maintains a set of orders she has received, i.e., the possible sets are:
   { attack },
   { wait }, or
   { attack, wait }
   Lieutenant takes action according to the value of the set
   { attack, wait } means the commander is a traitor
Missing Communication Paths
    
Network topology or policy could keep a general sending/receiving messages to/from another general
   
This constraint makes Byzantine problem more general
Oral Message
    If the communication graph is 3m-regular and less than or equal to m generals are traitors, this problem can be solved
   k regular set of neighbors of a node p
   the set of all neighbors of p, whose size is k
   for any node not in the set, there exists a disjoint path, not passing through the node p, from a node in the set
   k regular graph - every node has k regular set of neighbors
   Algorithm - extension of oral message
   Lieutenants recursively forward orders to all its k regular neighbors
   Commander's order = majority (v(c), v(1), v(2), ..., v(n))
   v(i) = majority (v(i), v(i)(2), v(i)(3), ..., v(i)(n)), 1<= i <= n
   v(i)(j) = majority (v(i)(j), v(i)(j)(3), v(i)(j)(4), ...)
   ...
Signed Message
    If the subgraph of loyal generals is connected, this problem can be solved

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I will really be surprise if people invest into this, the team is bent on the ICO, just collecting people's fund without clearing all the scam revelations that's been exposed about their team member. I won't be surprise tomorrow to see that the name of the project Qtum is now Quagmire.
It seems that Qtum is a good project, although there are some negative news about team member, but not all of them right? Nothing come from devs team yet? I'm pretty sure that Qtum will be handle so well as so far they keep developing what they have to. However, we have to wait and research the truth whether it will be worth to invest or not.
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The Byzantine Generals' Problem

A number of Byzantine Generals each have a computer and want to attack the King's wi-fi by brute forcing the password, which they've learned is a certain number of characters in length. Once they stimulate the network to generate a packet, they must crack the password within a limited time to break in and erase the logs, lest they be discovered. They only have enough CPU power to crack it fast enough if a majority of them attack at the same time.

They don't particularly care when the attack will be, just that they agree. It has been decided that anyone who feels like it will announce an attack time, which we'll call the "plan", and whatever plan is heard first will be the official plan. The problem is that the network is not instantaneous, and if two generals announce different plans at close to the same time, some may hear one first and others hear the other first.

They use a proof-of-work chain to solve the problem. Once each general receives whatever plan he hears first, he sets his computer to solve a difficult hash-based proof-of-work problem that includes the plan in its hash. The proof-of-work is difficult enough that with all of them working at once, it's expected to take 10 minutes before one of them finds a solution and broadcasts it to the network. Once received, everyone adjusts the hash in their proof-of-work computation to include the first solution, so that when they find the next proof-of-work, it chains after the first one. If anyone was working on a different plan, they switch to this one, because its proof-of-work chain is now longer.

After about two hours, the plan should be hashed by a chain of 12 proofs-of-work. Every general, just by verifying the difficulty of the proof-of-work chain, can estimate how much parallel CPU power per hour was expended on it and see that it must have required the majority of the computers to produce in the allotted time. At the least, most of them had to have seen the plan, since the proof-of-work is proof that they worked on it. If the CPU power exhibited by the proof-of-work is sufficient to crack the password, they can safely attack at the agreed time.

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half-ass Sherlock usual BS ...

Possible that Time and Toni are brothers/twins?

Yes does not look like it's the same person, different hair color and face, possibly siblings.

But the point is the trolls are trying to make such small details seem like a big deal, it means they don't have anything solid.

Looks like that troll forgot to take his meds again today!

Let's try the comparison again, but this time sans the pictures:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/time-markov-6403874/

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Education

 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Degree Name Postgraduate Field Of Study Embedded systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010
PIC, ARM, DSP

Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje, Postgraduate
 Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Univerzitet 'Sv. Kiril i Metódij' vo Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Techniques, Informatics and Automation
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

https://www.linkedin.com/in/toni-markov-a7314a52/

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University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Master's degree Field Of Study Embedded Systems
Dates attended or expected graduation 2008 – 2010

University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
University "Ss. Cyril and Methodius", Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Information Technologies – Skopje
Degree Name Bachelor's degree Field Of Study Computer Science, Computer Engineering and Automation Grade 8,5
Dates attended or expected graduation 2002 – 2007

Is that solid enough for you, cocksuckeroverflow?

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Work experience on a projects which include QML as a UI part of the applications.
Worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.
Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Specialties

C/C++, Qt, QML, Software Architecture and Design

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High level of knowledge in programming languages: C++; JAVA; C#, QML, Embedded C, XML/XSL, HTML, Python Script, Ant Script, UML;

More then 5 years professional experience with C/C++ and Qt framework Qt (Qt3.3, Qt4.8, QML, QtWebKit) worked on large and critical software in automotive industry.

Experienced with all stages of software development process: analyzing of requirements, creation of design documents, estimations, unit testing, system testing (integration testing), deployment.

Working experience in follow database: My SQL, MS SQL

Working experience with the programming packages and frameworks: Microsoft Visual Studio 2008, Eclipse, Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0, QT framework, ACE framework, .Net Framework, IBM Rational Rose , IAR Embedded Workbench, MPLAB IDE, different types of source control software.

Experience with different network and OS architectures

Programming and debugging on follow embedded systems: Microchip PIC, ARM 7 processor, Freescale DSP.

what you want to say ?  Shocked
maybe they are brothers.
please do more research for us to see if they are just brothers?

thank you gleb, you did a great work.  Grin 
the more you post, the less i will invest into this problem project.


The research is complete. They are not brothers. They attended the same school at exactly the same time and majored in the exact same subjects and have the exact same CV. The ONLY difference is their first names and perhaps their image. Recall, Patrick Dai went by different names as well, AND STILL DOES!
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From the desk of Captain Touché:

Many people following this thread may have noticed there have been attempts to discredit the paid Trolls.  One needs only to look at the tactics being employed. There is a term used commonly on this forum called: “SOCKPUPPETRY”, which Wikipedia.org describes as:

"A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term, a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock, originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an Internet community who spoke to, or about, themselves while pretending to be another person.

The term now includes other misleading uses of online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a person or organization, to manipulate public opinion, or to circumvent a suspension or ban from a website. A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as an independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer. Many online communities attempt to block sockpuppets."

Meanwhile, The Qtum and DaiLi Quagmire Circus just signed a giant to the troup. Needless to say, QDQC will now be erecting taller tents when they come to a town near you.

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Why are the Qtum team not addressing the concerns that their founder stole the  200btc & 200m Bitbay's from their ICO money and for the last 2 yrs proceeded to dump it on investers and earning himself another 100btc from his free bitbay coins.
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<this reply is in response to BTCspace's post below the fold in re Vitalik Buterin>

Prior to being dubbed Qtum, it was referred to as Quantum Chain. Vitalik was the first speaker at DevCon2 and weighed in on Patrick Dai's project the next day at Demo Day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He850TP59SI&feature=youtu.be&t=622




hi Gleb Gamow

can i hire you to make some good trolls man?

i found you are really good at it.  Grin

There is a difference between trolling and exposing scammers who want to steal millions of dollars of money.
Gregory Maxwell: “Vitalik Buterin Ran A Quantum Computer Scam”

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/08/17/gregory-maxwell-vitalik-buterin-ran-quantum-computer-scam/

Being a public figure in the cryptocurrency world comes with prestige and personal attacks. Vitalik Buterin, the visionary of Ethereum development and coding genius, has been active in the world of technology for quite some time now. Before he even created Ethereum, however, he was working on building a computer program to solve NP-complete problems. Or as some people would like to call it, vaporware.

NP-complete problems are decision problems revolving around computational complexity theory. While the entire explanation of this concept can be found on Wikipedia, it is safe to assume this will one of those concepts that is always subject to substantial debate.

Vitalik Buterin And The Quantum Computer Scam
Interestingly enough, Vitalik Buterin used to be involved in this particular field of expertise before he started working on Ethereum. In fact, he was working on a software tool to address these NP-complete problems in polynomial time. Building such a solution from scratch is both time-consuming and costly, though.

According to an archived post from Gregory Maxwell, Buterin was collecting investments from people to fund the creation of this computer program. However, Maxwell strongly feels this was nothing more than an attempt to fund vaporware. In fact, a post on Qntra refers to his idea for this computer program as “a quantum computer simulation scam”.

Gregory Maxwell explained this vaporware scam as follows:

“Vitalik’s project immediately before Ethereum is that he was collecting investments from people to fund building a computer program to solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time, supposedly by simulating a quantum computer. (Never mind that even real QC aren’t conjectured to be able to do that, nor does ‘simulation’ make any sense; unless BPP == BQP that’s not even possible, and virtually all experts agree the complexity classes are probably not equivalent). He built up a reputation for himself writing tech explainers of other people’s ideas usually without any attribution (until someone complains), making him look like the author.”
And Then Ethereum Was Born
That is a rather interesting take on things. Complex ideas and concepts are difficult to explain, let alone making anyone see the need to address them. Yet for some reason, Buterin felt he had the tools at his disposal to convince people to give him money for this project. It remains unclear as to why he failed in doing so, though.

Regardless of the reasoning, it didn’t take Vitalik Buterin long to come up with a new idea. Ethereum, before it was even released to the public, raised several millions of dollars in investments. To some people, the whole concept of Ethereum is still hit-and-miss, as the code can be exploited in multiple ways. The DAO attack and replay attacks are just two of the examples.

That being said, no one is saying Ethereum is vaporware. Interesting concepts can be built on top of this source code that will change our society as a whole. But this whole ordeal goes to show there is a difference between creating concepts and stealing other’s ideas.
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March 04, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
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Why are the Qtum team not addressing the concerns that their founder stole the  200btc & 200m Bitbay's from their ICO money and for the last 2 yrs proceeded to dump it on investers and earning himself another 100btc from his free bitbay coins.

Because there's now so many elephants in the room at Qtum, they no longer have the time to address only one. The new tactic is to bring in paid sockpuppets to entertain the elephants.


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