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So any changes to L3's now that Segwit got activated?
If you point your miner at a pool it wouldnt matter anyway the pool would signal it or not, correct?
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May 10, 2017, 04:20:44 PM |
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If anyone wants to sell their L3/L3+, send me a PM, otherwise im not going to pre-order and wait for July delivery. I would rather pass up a July 30 deliver if it means I have to pay now and wait to see what the network does between now and then. Again, Don't throw your BTC away on pre-orders. Get actual in-stock gear when it's available and wait if it's not in-stock.
Some people act, others just wait and never act ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Well, it's not that I don't act, it's just that I try to act with reason and thought. After thinking this through, the prospect of significant changes to the mining environment over the next 3 months, it just seems too risky. My A4's are still going strong, generating about $100/day. I like the benefits of the L3/L3+, but the lag-time for purchase is the real issue. I just want to wait and see how the mining environment is working in 3 months timeframe, and I realize that the price could change on the product, but that's ok. I just prefer to look before I leap.
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May 10, 2017, 05:30:46 PM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
Mine has been running about 19 hours at an air conditioned data center. Chain 1 has 40 hardware errors, chain 2 has 1 error, and the rest have zero. This seems to be a trend in recent Bitmain hardware. One of my S9's (the most recently purchased one) also has one board that gets 10x hardware errors of the other boards. I tried down clocking that unit to reduce the hardware errors. Back on the L3+, I don't think that temperature is a factor. One of the hottest boards has zero hardware errors.
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May 10, 2017, 06:10:12 PM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
Mine has been running about 19 hours at an air conditioned data center. Chain 1 has 40 hardware errors, chain 2 has 1 error, and the rest have zero. This seems to be a trend in recent Bitmain hardware. One of my S9's (the most recently purchased one) also has one board that gets 10x hardware errors of the other boards. I tried down clocking that unit to reduce the hardware errors. Back on the L3+, I don't think that temperature is a factor. One of the hottest boards has zero hardware errors. What is the end result of hardware errors? I have them on my L3+ too
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May 10, 2017, 06:36:18 PM |
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I have yet to see a hardware error on my L3+. It's on day 3 of mining.
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May 10, 2017, 06:50:39 PM |
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really looking forward to your infos. I decided to buy some miners to mine some too.
Would be a pity if they all got super high errors....
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May 10, 2017, 07:46:42 PM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
Mine has been running about 19 hours at an air conditioned data center. Chain 1 has 40 hardware errors, chain 2 has 1 error, and the rest have zero. This seems to be a trend in recent Bitmain hardware. One of my S9's (the most recently purchased one) also has one board that gets 10x hardware errors of the other boards. I tried down clocking that unit to reduce the hardware errors. Back on the L3+, I don't think that temperature is a factor. One of the hottest boards has zero hardware errors. On the hardware issues what I have seen with the L3's is that if a board throws errors as long as it isn't a high error rate the board is OK. However what I have seen is that boards in this state can become more unstable over time and as ambient temps rise. Some of those boards will begin escalating errors until the miner starts to crash. So temps are a factor with the boards and HW errors, however temps are usually not the reason the board has the errors to begin with. The recommendation by many is to disable the auto fan and run the fans as a percentage such as 70-80% to ensure the inside boards most affected by heat are getting more air flow. Like you stated this is pretty standard on the Bitmain miners to some boards with some errors. It isn't a problem unless those errors begin escalating. This is the dance I have been doing since we started this thread here on the forum with the L3 and the hardware issues. Hopefully turning up the fans will help some people. For those in a climate controlled facility this may not be as big a factor. Keep an eye on your L3's is the best advice I can give aside from turning up those fans.
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May 10, 2017, 09:45:54 PM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!!
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May 10, 2017, 10:15:24 PM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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May 11, 2017, 01:51:34 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sent you a pm. Others I host with maxumark on here. Ask rates. He may still offer Hash insurance if your rig has to go in for repairs to China on a 6 week vacation also.
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May 11, 2017, 01:57:38 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I would reach out to Tim at, they will port forward the IP so u have access. http://www.btcmeqc.com264 bucks for 6 months. Sending my first L3+ to them Monday
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May 11, 2017, 02:29:05 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I would reach out to Tim at, they will port forward the IP so u have access. http://www.btcmeqc.com264 bucks for 6 months. Sending my first L3+ to them Monday thats $264 all in ? eve. hosted at home at 14 cent per kwh that would be like $500 or so for six months theres gota be some other hidden fees , always is
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Hey guys, I could host your L3 miners (limited space) in my dorm room. I have unlimited cheap electricity! Hopefully I'll make enough fair money from hosting costs (elec+monitoring) to buy my own L3 ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) PM for address and cost negotiation, but I will def. charge less than what costs you to run it @home Location: EU Close to the Dutch/German border. P.S. I could also pay up to 1-1.5K EUR of the price of the miner and get the respective share of the mined cryptos. In which case you'll get electricity and monitoring for free from me as your partner B]
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May 11, 2017, 04:01:17 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I would reach out to Tim at, they will port forward the IP so u have access. http://www.btcmeqc.com264 bucks for 6 months. Sending my first L3+ to them Monday thats $264 all in ? eve. hosted at home at 14 cent per kwh that would be like $500 or so for six months theres gota be some other hidden fees , always is You will have to supply your own power supply at that price, but look at the website and look at the terms. I'm taking a leap of faith, and trying it out.
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May 11, 2017, 07:26:01 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I would reach out to Tim at, they will port forward the IP so u have access. http://www.btcmeqc.com264 bucks for 6 months. Sending my first L3+ to them Monday thats $264 all in ? eve. hosted at home at 14 cent per kwh that would be like $500 or so for six months theres gota be some other hidden fees , always is You will have to supply your own power supply at that price, but look at the website and look at the terms. I'm taking a leap of faith, and trying it out. I hope this works for you. If its legit, I would not hesitate to send my stuff to the USA. I pay more than 300$ for electricity per month for each miner.... I know we are super expensive but this sounds too good to be true
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May 11, 2017, 11:02:17 AM |
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What you guys seeing for HW errors I'm, seeing about 60 and 70 on boards 1 and 3 after 24 hrs. Boards and 2 and 4 only have a few HW errors.
After a few days of testing, I went ahead an updated the firmware. I know only the remote disable feature was disabled, but I did do a power cycle down for ~10 sec and restarted. My chain 1 and 3 show 19 and 16 HW errors and the other chains are at zero after 24hrs. The rate and number of HWs as lowered. Not sure if it's just variance, power cycle, or more burn in that's giving me these numbers. I am going to to take Longsnowsm's advice and crank the fans up to %75, then send it to a data center. That tunnel sound!!! can you please elaborate on these data centers you speak of. i would MUCH rathter have my rigs hosted at a reputable site and pay fees than have to deal with the noise/heat from them in my own apartment. if u happen to know of any in the new england area that would b even better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I would reach out to Tim at, they will port forward the IP so u have access. http://www.btcmeqc.com264 bucks for 6 months. Sending my first L3+ to them Monday thats $264 all in ? eve. hosted at home at 14 cent per kwh that would be like $500 or so for six months theres gota be some other hidden fees , always is You will have to supply your own power supply at that price, but look at the website and look at the terms. I'm taking a leap of faith, and trying it out. I hope this works for you. If its legit, I would not hesitate to send my stuff to the USA. I pay more than 300$ for electricity per month for each miner.... I know we are super expensive but this sounds too good to be true Ill add my praise to Tim over at BTCMEQC, He has been hosting 2 of my A4's since Fem. Very nice guy and responsive to support as well. If I can get my mitts on an L3+ thats where I would send it...
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Only poor people gonna tell this is not worth the investment ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) they are jealous The reality is almost all of us investing on this, still have btc to trade, yes you can double your money trading but you can lose it too, so at least with miners you can use the miner one year, then sell it and recover some money, but at this price you can ROI in one month, yes in 3 months the price will not be the same, it will be higher ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) BTC +2000 usd, LTC +50 usd And the best thing one Miner can do, is sell only the ltc to cover expenses and hold the rest or hold in btc, in a year we gonna see BTC +3000 usd, in 2 years +5000 usd, So, dont hear some of this bastards, i bought 4 L3+ of that 3rd July batch, and thinking of buying 4 more. Buy Mine and Hold, be fucking rich in 10 years ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs13.postimg.org%2F64xfqo7cn%2Fimage.jpg&t=665&c=VypMg28-n57eAg) But Invest at your own RISK, Crypto is the Wild West ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) lol only poor people?? im not rich but im not poor and im tellin u basing your purchase of these machines on the invo available today isnt very smart. the delivery date is 2 months away and the estimated coins per day went from 10 to 5 in less than a month based on my april 15th batch and the difficulty has been going up and up by around 10% every 3 days so expect to get 1 coin per day if your lucky not including the fees. i cant say its not worth it for sure but the info you supplied to prove its worth it tells me your not planning for the increase in difficulty. you will also see another large spike in hashrate when the later batches shipso your earnings will be even lower. unless they are shipping that miner within 5 business days dont waste your money on them.
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May 11, 2017, 02:33:58 PM |
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Probably this is a good asic to start some balcony mining I guess, too bad it's 2 months away. Profits will be lower significantly ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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lol only poor people?? im not rich but im not poor and im tellin u basing your purchase of these machines on the invo available today isnt very smart. the delivery date is 2 months away and the estimated coins per day went from 10 to 5 in less than a month based on my april 15th batch and the difficulty has been going up and up by around 10% every 3 days so expect to get 1 coin per day if your lucky not including the fees. i cant say its not worth it for sure but the info you supplied to prove its worth it tells me your not planning for the increase in difficulty. you will also see another large spike in hashrate when the later batches shipso your earnings will be even lower. unless they are shipping that miner within 5 business days dont waste your money on them.
I dont give a shit if is not proffitable when they arrive, ill mine and hold till the right moment to sell. All the miners who sold LTC at 4 usd for over a year know what i mean, (poor bastards ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ) you need to mine hold, and sell when the right time comes. To trade the secret is to buy when the blood is on the streets, same with miners, the secret is to mine when is not proffitable for others ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Did you know LTC is not the only Scrypt coin to mine right ? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs24.postimg.org%2F46bluy4dh%2Fscrypt.jpg&t=665&c=xxJpuyUpGTBJwQ)
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May 11, 2017, 02:58:58 PM |
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Only poor people gonna tell this is not worth the investment ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) they are jealous The reality is almost all of us investing on this, still have btc to trade, yes you can double your money trading but you can lose it too, so at least with miners you can use the miner one year, then sell it and recover some money, but at this price you can ROI in one month, yes in 3 months the price will not be the same, it will be higher ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) BTC +2000 usd, LTC +50 usd And the best thing one Miner can do, is sell only the ltc to cover expenses and hold the rest or hold in btc, in a year we gonna see BTC +3000 usd, in 2 years +5000 usd, So, dont hear some of this bastards, i bought 4 L3+ of that 3rd July batch, and thinking of buying 4 more. Buy Mine and Hold, be fucking rich in 10 years ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs13.postimg.org%2F64xfqo7cn%2Fimage.jpg&t=665&c=VypMg28-n57eAg) But Invest at your own RISK, Crypto is the Wild West ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) lol only poor people?? im not rich but im not poor and im tellin u basing your purchase of these machines on the invo available today isnt very smart. the delivery date is 2 months away and the estimated coins per day went from 10 to 5 in less than a month based on my april 15th batch and the difficulty has been going up and up by around 10% every 3 days so expect to get 1 coin per day if your lucky not including the fees. i cant say its not worth it for sure but the info you supplied to prove its worth it tells me your not planning for the increase in difficulty. you will also see another large spike in hashrate when the later batches shipso your earnings will be even lower. unless they are shipping that miner within 5 business days dont waste your money on them. @numbnutz2009 you are spot on here... Comments like the previous tell me they aren't calculating diff and figuring out a guesstimate of what the real payout will be in 2 months. Then everyone acts all butthurt when the profit per miner is a small fraction of what it is right at this moment when their new miner shows up in a couple of months. Do the math or prepare to be shocked when you are not rolling in coin in a couple of months... If you own an L3 or L3+ right now then you can get a decent return, in a couple of months you will need double or triple the hash rate to get anything close to what you are making right at this moment. So when @USAO is hesitant to commit funds 2 months out given the diff increases and what is going on that is wise to stop and consider what the real rate of return will be and will the price they sold them for today be worth it in a couple of months? Nobody can tell you that right now based on what we are seeing on the network. If Bitmain keeps popping out miners like this the return rate will be similar to what you see with the S9 before long and that is not a pretty picture.
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