[CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution

[Micky25]

good news   

Though I already assigned my share, I would suggest to distribute the remaining samples to the guys with no or uneven numbers (if they still are on track). Overload the current sympathy leaders doesn't make much sense to me.

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[zefir]

good news   

Though I already assigned my share, I would suggest to distribute the remaining samples to the guys with no or uneven numbers (if they still are on track). Overload the current sympathy leaders doesn't make much sense to me.

Final distribution will be decided when it comes to shipping. For sure there will be a rounding scheme to process the fractional portions of sample chips.

But your proposal is not fully thought through: if announced that the remaining chips are to be distributed to those who received the least support, two things will happen:

• lots of claims how unfair this is and how it voids the idea of proportional supporting
• everyone would claim his own chips, hoping to get one sample for the 0.1 he would get base on his order

It always works best if kept simple and consistent, that's why I will keep the initially proposed proportional support distribution scheme.

[Micky25]

I totally understand your points and fully agree to them, I just thought it would makes things easier (because more than half of the people involved haven't cared about it yet and maybe won't do in the next couple of days/weeks). Furthermore, I had some crazy notions about one pillar of all of this - decentralization 

[giorgiomassa]

Thanks Zefir for adding us (bitmine.ch) to the list of developers for our Avalon miner clone. 

I've just sent out an email to all of our customers that have opted to supply their own ASICs so that they know to get in touch with you for the assignment.

[giorgiomassa]

Ok I can confirm too, we just received 5 minutes ago the EMS tracking number for the Avalon chips samples that we've ordered.

They should be here in Switzerland on Tuesday or Wednesday at latest.

Cheers!

[SebastianJu]

zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

[zefir]

zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

[SebastianJu]

zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.

[lan787]

SUP; rgzen; lan787

[danattacker]

Just to let everyone know, I haven't abandoned my project, but I have been working on it at a slower pace since I did not expect to receive any sample chips. I'm going to change my status to support Bkkcoins with my pathetic 10 chip order. Not that it will matter, especially with the recent news.

SUP; BkkCoins; danattacker

[zefir]

zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.

That might be true for the bare hashing functionality. But you can't test chip-to-chip or inter-board communication for stacking.

Alas, that is not even my point. It was never written that there is such a limitation - it was a part of the ToS that sample chips will be delivered for a 10k chip order. I already stopped to count the hours I spent to collect the owner / supporter information for a most transparent and fair distribution. Plus the effort of everyone providing this data - everything is moot and a waste of time now.

[SebastianJu]

zefir... it looks like every buyer will only get 30 sample chips regardless how many batches he bought... do you have already a plan how to spread the chips now? Will only the buyers in first batch have the right to get a sample chip or will you raise the amount of chips needed to be allowed to get a sample chip? So that the 30 chips are spread about all bought batches? I tend to the last...
Edit: Ill do it like i said. Only one buyer through all 4 batches has bought enough chips to be eligible for 3 chips. All other chips are spread through the developers. Every dev in my list will get at least one chip probably.

Sorry, was late and started another thread here.

Very disappointing.

Yes, disappointing for the users that thought they can get a sample by buying more chips and even more disappointing for the developer. But as far as i spoke with the devs... with one chip they can test nearly everything. A second chip is good for testing the communication between 2 chips. Everything above this is practically luxus. So i think it will be enough to prove the designs working. And i think when everone in my list gets one or 2 chips there will be a good amount of miners and assembly services the community can chose from because a working miner was shown... Its not as bad as it looks. The miner can be tested with one or 2 chips.

That might be true for the bare hashing functionality. But you can't test chip-to-chip or inter-board communication for stacking.

Alas, that is not even my point. It was never written that there is such a limitation - it was a part of the ToS that sample chips will be delivered for a 10k chip order. I already stopped to count the hours I spent to collect the owner / supporter information for a most transparent and fair distribution. Plus the effort of everyone providing this data - everything is moot and a waste of time now.

Yes, stacking cant be tested. But BKKCoins has the only board that is stackable. He could even test stacking with 2 boards that have 1 chip on it each. At least i take this from his thread. Im not sure if stacking has to be tested. Its a good thing of course but the stacking is something bkkcoins created. So its nothing unknown to him. The only unknown part yet are the chips and their communication. So im pretty sure bkkcoins can end his design and proof that it works fine.

Yes, youre right with the limitation. Another thing that i account to the non existing customer support.

[zefir]

SUP; rgzen; lan787

Thanks. But we do not need it any more. With only 30 samples for 70.000 chips ordered, there will be no support based distribution of samples.

Folks, forget about the chip distribution scheme I was trying to implement over the past weeks. It became irrelevant, sorry for wasting your time.

[marto74]

So then Are you going to send some sample chips ?

[zefir]

So then Are you going to send some sample chips ?

Of course I will - that was the idea for supporting open source development after all.

But instead of having some fair distribution scheme based on what people paid for, I now need to be the arbiter and decide whom to send samples. Make three friends and 20 enemies - thanks Avalon.

[marto74]

I see.
let's hope everybody is going to try to walk in your shoes

[turtle83]

But instead of having some fair distribution scheme based on what people paid for, I now need to be the arbiter and decide whom to send samples. Make three friends and 20 enemies - thanks Avalon.

turtle83;OWN;1

PS: Thats not for sample chips. Thats to booking for the friend slot.

Guys hurry up 2 remaining.

[danattacker]

danattacker; OWN; 1

Yay! I have a friend now! LOL

[daemondazz]

This actually really shits me off. If a company did this to me in the "real world" I'd never ever deal with them again.

Why does it seem like all the ASIC companies are screwing over their customers in one way or another? ASICMINER with prices, Avalon with their excellent customer support (cough) and BFL with... well, lets not just go there.

Bitcoin will not become more mainstream until things become more customer oriented.

[giorgiomassa]

In order to help out other community driven projects and given that only 30 ASICs samples will be shipped to zefir, we are opting out from the projects list since we will be getting our own batch of 30 samples.