Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

[micky123]

CoinPiler is scam, doesn't pay for November, plz remove it.

I'm shocked that someone who refused to use escrow with flimsy excuses turned out to be a scam.

I've asked him several times times to use an escrow but this  was his reply :

Hi all the curious & cautions mind of BitcoinTalk Community.

I do highly respect all of your opinion of making an escrow. I do understand that you must want to keep the community safe and secure (at-least SCAM free) I am not outside of this intension.

I know that making an escrow would greatly improve my credibility, professionalism and so forth....

But thing is I cannot depend on others (at-least where my money involved). I cannot give my money to others and tell them not to waste or loss, or keep them safe for me. My money can be well protected to only myself...

Please don't take my decision in different angle.... take it as straight as I tell here... I do know, you can tell me lots of things against this post, you can even present me world's secured vault with world's most trusted guy to provide escrow... But I must not making any escrow...

After this post I would not reply any escrow related question. If you can join this campaign with my terms, please you are welcome... If you feel that you are not safe without escrow, please do not waste your precious time to reply this thread.....

If this post hurt anyone, its not intentional, I do highly respect your perception.....

Thanks

The first time these guys ran their signature campaign, i got in and took part. They nearly gave everyone a scare when the payment was delayed by 2 days. They eventually paid out every participant. I saw the writing on the wall when they started verbally abusing everyone who had posted negative feedback in their thread, at not receiving payments, which was a fault of Coinpiler in the first place! They paid out late!! Coinpiler then proceeded to remove people from the campaign and acted as though they were doing people a favor by paying people what they had promised in the first place! I took off, even though i did not have any campaign active.. i proceeded to use my website link in my signature before i got my current campaign. Felt it was better to steer clear of these guys and its a good thing i did.

[picolo]

Coin-Sweeper.com (Thread)
Payment period: Weekly
Minimum posts: 30 Posts per Week and 10 Posts out of 30 MUST BE MADE IN GAMBLING TOPIC
Payments: J: 0.0051BTC/week; M: 0.0101BTC/week; F: 0.0151BTC/week; S: 0.0251BTC/week; H/L: 0.0301BTC/week  
Escrow: No
Miscellaneous: Friday 14:00 PM Bitcoin Talk Forum time is the payment date and a start date of the next week. Those who sign up 2 (or less) days before Friday will start participating in the campaign from the next week

"10 Posts out of 30 MUST BE MADE IN GAMBLING TOPIC", cloudminr has a rule for topics too. 30% of the posts have to be made in certain sections of the forum and Primedice announced the pay per post will be different depending of the forum section.

[blablaace]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

[Muhammed Zakir]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

[Brewins]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

[redsn0w]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

It's not a payment problem , it is a *scam* . Ppl must learn that an escrow is not more "recommended" but  it is needed.

[picolo]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

It's not a payment problem , it is a *scam* . Ppl must learn that an escrow is not more "recommended" but  it is needed.

When the escrow is more trustworthy than the member you are doing business with, you are lowering your risk because the escrow is less likely to scam than the member you are doing business with.

[Muhammed Zakir]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

It's not a payment problem , it is a *scam* . Ppl must learn that an escrow is not more "recommended" but  it is needed.

When the escrow is more trustworthy than the member you are doing business with, you are lowering your risk because the escrow is less likely to scam than the member you are doing business with.

True, coinpiler was removed from the list!

@OP : Try to add 'added' to the change log after coinsweeper.com

Code:

6-Dec-2014: CoinPiler removed and Coin-Sweeper.com <here>.

   ~~MZ~~

[redsn0w]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

It's not a payment problem , it is a *scam* . Ppl must learn that an escrow is not more "recommended" but  it is needed.

When the escrow is more trustworthy than the member you are doing business with, you are lowering your risk because the escrow is less likely to scam than the member you are doing business with.

True, coinpiler was removed from the list!

@OP : Try to add 'added' to the change log after coinsweeper.com

Code:

6-Dec-2014: CoinPiler removed and Coin-Sweeper.com <here>.

   ~~MZ~~

Finally , but a lot of users have promoted his site for 1 month  , we should dox him.

[Willisius]

why is CoinPiler still on the list?

Only for sometime... Just wait, he might come out of nowhere to pay the users.

   ~~MZ~~

OP should at least put a * and warn about the payment problem

It's not a payment problem , it is a *scam* . Ppl must learn that an escrow is not more "recommended" but  it is needed.

The only real way around a signature campaign using escrow is for up front payments, however this would mean that the campaign operator would be at risk of participants scamming.

I tend to agree with your statement with the exception of businesses (like prime dice for example) that are very well established within the community

[hilariousandco]

The other option is offering weekly payments then at least they can prove they will pay out pretty quickly and if they do scam then you've only given them a weeks worth of advertising. However, some deals have paid out for the first couple/few weeks then eventually scammed so it's not a guarantee but I suppose any deal could eventually not pay for whatever reasons.

[deluxeCITY]

The other option is offering weekly payments then at least they can prove they will pay out pretty quickly and if they do scam then you've only given them a weeks worth of advertising. However, some deals have paid out for the first couple/few weeks then eventually scammed so it's not a guarantee but I suppose any deal could eventually not pay for whatever reasons.

I have noticed that the deals that have moved from weekly to monthly deals that do not offer escrow almost always tend to scam. It seems like they tend to build up a reputation (as you mentioned above) then once people are comfortable with advertising without escrow they change to monthly payments and end up not paying after receiving a month of free advertising (which often happens to be less then what they have even paid for when they were paying out weekly)

[redsn0w]

The other option is offering weekly payments then at least they can prove they will pay out pretty quickly and if they do scam then you've only given them a weeks worth of advertising. However, some deals have paid out for the first couple/few weeks then eventually scammed so it's not a guarantee but I suppose any deal could eventually not pay for whatever reasons.

I have noticed that the deals that have moved from weekly to monthly deals that do not offer escrow almost always tend to scam. It seems like they tend to build up a reputation (as you mentioned above) then once people are comfortable with advertising without escrow they change to monthly payments and end up not paying after receiving a month of free advertising (which often happens to be less then what they have even paid for when they were paying out weekly)

So at the end the best choices (for the new sig. Campaign) are :

- an escrow,

or

- the upFront payment.

Without these two parameters I think the users should pay attention ( at your own risk).

[MUFC]

The other option is offering weekly payments then at least they can prove they will pay out pretty quickly and if they do scam then you've only given them a weeks worth of advertising. However, some deals have paid out for the first couple/few weeks then eventually scammed so it's not a guarantee but I suppose any deal could eventually not pay for whatever reasons.

I have noticed that the deals that have moved from weekly to monthly deals that do not offer escrow almost always tend to scam. It seems like they tend to build up a reputation (as you mentioned above) then once people are comfortable with advertising without escrow they change to monthly payments and end up not paying after receiving a month of free advertising (which often happens to be less then what they have even paid for when they were paying out weekly)

I'm not sure if this is a conscious thing or something they set out from the start, but many casinos will just decide it isn't worth it anymore and get out without any further loses or costs. Most deals wont want to use escrow forever and they need to build up trust on their own over time so it's a catch 22 and just something people will have to deal with and take the risk.

[tspacepilot]

What's the catch 22 part?  Catch 22 usually means a damned if you do-damned if you don't situation.  Here we're arguing that if advertizers aren't willing to put money into escrow, people should avoid working with them.  I don't get how that's a catch 22?

[picolo]

The other option is offering weekly payments then at least they can prove they will pay out pretty quickly and if they do scam then you've only given them a weeks worth of advertising. However, some deals have paid out for the first couple/few weeks then eventually scammed so it's not a guarantee but I suppose any deal could eventually not pay for whatever reasons.

I have noticed that the deals that have moved from weekly to monthly deals that do not offer escrow almost always tend to scam. It seems like they tend to build up a reputation (as you mentioned above) then once people are comfortable with advertising without escrow they change to monthly payments and end up not paying after receiving a month of free advertising (which often happens to be less then what they have even paid for when they were paying out weekly)

So at the end the best choices (for the new sig. Campaign) are :

- an escrow,

or

- the upFront payment.

Without these two parameters I think the users should pay attention ( at your own risk).

Cloudminr did upfront payment for Senior and up the first week. Now they are es-crowing or paying upfront for participants paid in GHS.

[chiefraven]

damn this is a huge bookmark for me. thanks for compiling all the ad campaigns! 

also i noticed primedice isnt up there, do you think they will start again? cause i remember they had one for awhile..

[jjacob]

damn this is a huge bookmark for me. thanks for compiling all the ad campaigns! 

also i noticed primedice isnt up there, do you think they will start again? cause i remember they had one for awhile..

Any time now, according to what Stunna said a week back. 

[ligeros]

damn this is a huge bookmark for me. thanks for compiling all the ad campaigns! 

also i noticed primedice isnt up there, do you think they will start again? cause i remember they had one for awhile..

Here is the information about PD sig campaign from last week. So, it can be started anyday.

Campaign will be launching within a week for hero/senior/legendary members. It will then be opened for full/member/jr shortly after.

We have a new payment system that will pay per post and depending on what forum section (Posting in some forum sections will get you more per post than others). The whole process will be fully automated and payments will be made weekly. We will be able to track users characters per post and easily ban spammers from the campaign. Hilariousandco (Bitcointalk mod) will be monitoring all participants and will be ensuring the quality of the forum is not lowered by participants.

We're setting a 50 BTC/month budget on this campaign so we are looking for a lot of people to sign up.

[BITMIXER.IO]

We are open for the new participants, please correct the data. Thank you.