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[jbreher]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page. 

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

[xyzzy099]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

It was one of the free-trade zones in Honduras, like this.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

Flashback: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-chilean-libertarian-paradise/

People have been stung by scams involving bitcoin recently, so many may be reluctant to part with such a large amount of currency for a slice of a community that some would say sounds too good to be true.
"Those who have been to our Spring Celebration, and/or have toured our project, know that the project is not a scam and is quite real," said Johnson.

[xyzzy099]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page. 

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

Are you talking about that seastedding thing, a floating nation made out of discarded tires and empty milk jugs, tethered to an abandoned oil derrick?
Some user here with an E nick, something like Egon or Egor was doing that. I think that has great potential.
Or that chunk of no man's land between Serbia and Croatia some enterprising nation-builder called "Liberland"? <==hahahaha

The Seasteading Institute was founded by Peter Thiel, the co-founder of Paypal.  I don't know if he ever had an account on this forum.

[xyzzy099]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page. 

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

Flashback: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-chilean-libertarian-paradise/

Yeah, I think that's what jbreher is talking abou, not sure why he's denying it. A "'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent." Aptly called Galt's Gulch

Jbreher, you sure this doesn't ring any bells?

"We aren't seeking to become a sovereign state, or city, as others have proposed in the past. We are simply offering a safe and prosperous place for people to come together and enjoy life in an economic climate that nobody has ever experienced before."

I already explained in THIS MESSAGE that it was not the Galt's Gulch thing in Chile.

[jbreher]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

Are you talking about that seastedding thing, a floating nation made out of discarded tires and empty milk jugs, tethered to an abandoned oil derrick?

no.

Or that chunk of no man's land between Serbia and Croatia some enterprising nation-builder creatively called "Liberland"? <==hahahaha

no.

[jbreher]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

Flashback: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-chilean-libertarian-paradise/

Yeah, I think that's what jbreher is talking abou, not sure why he's denying it. A "'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent." Aptly called Galt's Gulch

Jbreher, you sure this doesn't ring any bells?

"We aren't seeking to become a sovereign state, or city, as others have proposed in the past. We are simply offering a safe and prosperous place for people to come together and enjoy life in an economic climate that nobody has ever experienced before."

It rings plenty of bells. Different project. That's why I am denying it. Quite simple, really. I don't know why you persist in trying to mischaracterize my posts.

[Sitarow]

Wow.

WTF is this?

old price movement prediction.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/LTCBTC/KTsIs5wW-Litecoin-Update-Crash-Continues/

[Hunyadi]

Pumping 

[Wandererfromthenorth]

Moon and trains pics plz

[Sitarow]

[jbreher]

@jbreher: Is THIS the one, ZEDE?

I honestly don't know. When Yago presented at the Bitcoin 2013 conference in San Jose, he quite pointedly refused to divulge with which country Epiphyte was negotiating. Honduras seems quite plausible.

That since-imploded Chilean thing had already been in discussion elsewhere, so I know that it is not the same effort.

eta: more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316449.0

Further eta: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208333.0;all

Further further edit after re-familiarization: Nope - not Honduras.

[xyzzy099]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page. 

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

Flashback: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-chilean-libertarian-paradise/

Yeah, I think that's what jbreher is talking abou, not sure why he's denying it. A "'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent." Aptly called Galt's Gulch

Jbreher, you sure this doesn't ring any bells?

"We aren't seeking to become a sovereign state, or city, as others have proposed in the past. We are simply offering a safe and prosperous place for people to come together and enjoy life in an economic climate that nobody has ever experienced before."

I already explained in THIS MESSAGE that it was not the Galt's Gulch thing in Chile.

Cool. Doesn't look like anyone got scammed too badly, so already head & shoulders above most 'libertarian' projects.

This ZEDE, of course, doesn't exist yet, correct? Because an actual working example which doesn't turn out to be a scam would fly in the face of everything Libertarian.

I don't know anything else about the ZEDE that the Epiphyte people were involved with.  ZEDEs, in general, have been around in Honduras for quite a while, and as far as I know, have nothing to do with Libertarianism per se - unless you consider free-trade zones to be inherently Libertarian.

The Galt's Gulch thing in Chile was only associated with Libertarians in so far as the victims of the scam were presumably Libertarians.  Lots of those kind of scams around, you don't have to be a Libertarian to get burned by unscrupulous people.

[xyzzy099]

@jbreher: Is THIS the one, ZEDE?

I honestly don't know. When Yago presented at the Bitcoin 2013 conference in San Jose, he quite pointedly refused to divulge with which country Epiphyte was negotiating. Honduras seems quite plausible.

That since-imploded Chilean thing had already been in discussion elsewhere, so I know that it is not the same effort.

eta: more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316449.0

I don't know how authoritative this source is but from https://www.homestrings.com/news-and-analysis/2014/april/24/what-you-need-to-know-about-bitcoin-remittances-and-the-developing-world/#.VlYSWb9SIcQ

Edan said that he believed that remittances would not be the driver of Bitcoin adoption because more liquidity is first needed. However, adoption and therefore the velocity of transactions appear to be increasing at an exponential rate as the only barrier to entry for Bitcoin adoption is a text enabled phone. This is hardly a “barrier” as the Vodafone Foundation recently revealed in its report (PDF) “How mobile phones are changing the world – and the challenges facing the next mobile revolution,” that a reliable mobile phone in sub-Saharan Africa has dropped to $10 for a basic 2G handset with voice and data. Pelle mentioned that he was able to buy a mobile phone very cheaply as well …but in a colored fashion that his purchase had what I will refer to as a tourist “surcharge.” Further it was interesting to note that Edan is working on a free trade zone in the Honduras that would use cryptocurrency as legal tender.

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[Elwar]

I don't see Epiphyte among the "partners"  listed in the Visa Europe Collab page.  

Back in 2013, Edan Yago's / Epiphyte's project was negotiating with some relatively impoverished nation to create a kind of 'regulatory hands-off' real-life Galt's Gulch equivalent. I lost track of that project somewhere along the way.

This it? http://panampost.com/adriana-peralta/2014/09/04/galts-gulch-chile-libertarian-paradise-turned-nightmare/

no.

Are you talking about that seastedding thing, a floating nation made out of discarded tires and empty milk jugs, tethered to an abandoned oil derrick?
Some user here with an E nick, something like Egon or Egor was doing that. I think that has great potential.
Or that chunk of no man's land between Serbia and Croatia some enterprising nation-builder creatively called "Liberland"? <==hahahaha

If you are referring to me then, yes I'm working on something. Not so much discarded tires or abandoned anything. Should be incorporated this month and begin actual building in the next few months.

No, we're not working on starting a full nation. Baby steps first.

[mixan]

Pumping  

Somebody is, cause it has risen $12 in last 2 hours.

Moon and trains pics plz

Wait to see some myself. It is ritual of celebration as we might see some unexpected increase just before one of biggest buying days in the United States in 3 days from now. Pumping is welcome here.

[JayJuanGee]

Bitcoin is still cheap as chips.

If this severely under priced mess continues I might actually have to buy some soon, not just HODL homebrew.

Yeah OK. This is the same crap everyone was saying when the price was ~$230.  And guess what, no one was buying then, even the people saying it.

And we're at $325 now.

And your point is?  We were also at $600, $700, $800, and $1100.  Wake me up when we even get back to $600, that would be a start.  

But I guess that would be a bad thing as then bitcoin still wouldn't be "cheap as chips" as you say, so no one will be buying then.  Amiiright?

That's your logic, not mine.

It's cheap as chips because there's a lot of fear and uncertainty in the market. If Bitcoin gets to the level you're asking for I think that would signal to the market that Bitcoin is here to stay.

Those of us who already knows¹ Bitcoin is here to stay can buy them at a discount now. And at $600 for that matter.

Let us know when you're on the choo choo!

1) To avoid any discussion on the advances since before the cartesian revolustion: knows = strong belief.

Everyone knows Bitcoin is here to stay, and yes I have been majorly on the train since early 2013.  Still a long term bull.  But the absolute bullshit in the short term continues to be mind-blowing to me.

It's pretty clear now to everyone that the price is not decided, nor even moved, by Average Joe buyers/sellers.  It's decided by collusion between miners and whale traders (who are likely one in the same people) and possibly even exchange operators.  That's it.  Bitcoin's future fate is completely in their hands.  And that's scary as fuck.

For a supposed bull, it seems a bit ironic why you are acting so jaded.   

Yes, there is a lot of manipulation going on in the various exchanges; however, I really doubt that the manipulation is totally controlled by a few whales, as your jaded and pessimistic post seems to imply. 

There are even limits to the extremes of the manipulations that are possible, including the extent to which they are able to push BTC prices in one direction or another with their various manipulations. 

If the various whale manipulators attempt to push too far in one direction or another, they will get powned, and they know it... but they also know a lot that they may be able to push and how much manipulation they can do (as compared with those of us who are more limited in our financial or bitcoin resources and unable to participate in such manipulatoin attempts).

[Fatman3001]

Moon and trains pics plz