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Why postpone the inevitable with RBP? It’s so convoluted. The authors of the LN whitepaper have said eventually it will need bigger blocks anyway.
I'm sure I'm missing something...
It boils down to Core wanting larger blocks - but only on their terms ( where LN is functional) Bigger blocks on anyone else terms ( the present users) is a no-no. Contentious hard fork, ddos, etc. When LN is ready, Im sure we will be told that a hard fork wont be so bad. 4 legs good, 2 legs better.... |
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ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam.
Interesting...how much of a discount can I get on my Amazon purchases using metals? How do I send them my metals from Europe for payment? Yeah... fuck metals. I am not opposed to investing a little of everything, but a person only has so much money to spread around. Even if Bitcoin may not succeed, and even if bitcoin may be subject to a considerable amount of manipulation by potential scam exchanges and banks throwing fiat at it to drive down the price, in the end, Bitcoin has way more upside potential than any of the various precious metals. We could go into a detailed calculation regarding the various upside and downside potentials of each kind of investment, and we would conclude that there are probabilities that various metals could appreciate - maybe even 100x... but at this time, in the current state of affairs, bitcoin has greater probabilities and greater expected future value.... accordingly, bitcoin seems to be an overall better investment than precious metals... Certainly, we will see how this plays out, and every person should perform his/her own calculations in order to determine which ones s/he considers to have the better expected future values and various probabilities that s/he attaches to future appreciation of each (and then invest accordingly). we could argue that bitcoin could easily be replaced by manipulators with another crypto-currency, while pms cannot be replaced by another pms.. one oz of silver is the same as another oz of silver regardless of what is inscribed on its surface or by what name we call it .. this is not the same truth for cryptos in general unfortunately . .. the value of bitcoin could go to zero and never go up again, while pms will ALWAYS be worth something. currently, bitcoin has several unresolved issues that make it a much greater risk as an investment than metals. |
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January 06, 2016, 05:48:50 PM |
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ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam.
Interesting...how much of a discount can I get on my Amazon purchases using metals? How do I send them my metals from Europe for payment? Yeah... fuck metals. I am not opposed to investing a little of everything, but a person only has so much money to spread around. Even if Bitcoin may not succeed, and even if bitcoin may be subject to a considerable amount of manipulation by potential scam exchanges and banks throwing fiat at it to drive down the price, in the end, Bitcoin has way more upside potential than any of the various precious metals. We could go into a detailed calculation regarding the various upside and downside potentials of each kind of investment, and we would conclude that there are probabilities that various metals could appreciate - maybe even 100x... but at this time, in the current state of affairs, bitcoin has greater probabilities and greater expected future value.... accordingly, bitcoin seems to be an overall better investment than precious metals... Certainly, we will see how this plays out, and every person should perform his/her own calculations in order to determine which ones s/he considers to have the better expected future values and various probabilities that s/he attaches to future appreciation of each (and then invest accordingly). we could argue that bitcoin could easily be replaced by manipulators with another crypto-currency, while pms cannot be replaced by another pms.. one oz of silver is the same as another oz of silver regardless of what is inscribed on its surface or by what name we call it .. this is not the same truth for cryptos in general unfortunately . .. the value of bitcoin could go to zero and never go up again, while pms will ALWAYS be worth something. currently, bitcoin has several unresolved issues that make it a much greater risk as an investment than metals. Tbh it depends on the situation if Bitcoin goes up first compared to metals, on the other hand gold and silver could be worth 100+1000+ bitcoins if it goes up first. I guess it's best to diversify. Also Bitcoin was made by the TPTB |
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guys... the US govy is manipulating the price of pms down, meanwhile, they are manipulating the price of bitcoin upwards. additional adoption is week because new user adoption remains extremely weak. the us govy pumped bitcoin for the marshal's auction.. to make a profit. .... this pump was also used in a desperate attempt to draw in more new users... problem is the flouride and aluminum brain coated morons wiped out some bitcoiners, because those bitcoiners knew what the real value of bitcoin should have been at the time. bitcoin is a SCHEME to scam people from buying pms.  I am down 55% on my Pms holdings. Bitcoin I am 50-60% up. Metals are always manipulated and people have been saying for years that silver will be $100 per oz or $500 per oz. I wouldn't believe Shiff, Maloney etc too much. The only reason I won't sell mine if because I am so down on my investment. Who knows what it would take for especially silver to go up. A miracle? they have you right where they want you atm. your thinking your PMS are a bad investment and that bitcoin is a good investment. they would love if you sold your PMS and bought bitcoin. because when the collapse occurs and the dollar is finally toast, then a reset can happen. the reset happens on the big block of cheese day when all usd in bank accounts is frozen and bank bail-ins start. the usd cash you have now will need to be turned into the new domestic dollar. this will happen automatically to your cash in the banks. all usd will lose about 70% purchasing power during the currency exchange. meanwhile, PMS will reset at multiples higher value. i am not sure what happens to bitcoin. it could die altogether. they suck people into a currency that they can devalue quickly. bitchcoin fits this well. BITCOIN is a bigtime SCHEME: two reasons why bitcoin pumped later 2015 1. Marshall's Auction = US GOVY USD PROFIT 2. desperation for new user adoption. they pumped it too early. now they have to go sideways above 400 for months. the halving is still six months away. if there is a new adoption frenzy buying it will happen closer to halving. it aint gonna matter cuz they can't get their 'sanctions' code in without the entire world knowing about it. like Bill Holter said yesterday: there is no rational reason for why the fed raised rates. something is up. we may be closing in on crunch time. some have speculated that the fed is pulling the plug on the usd. Who would have thunk that you are such a psycho fanatic conspiratorialist? If you are so bearish about bitcoin, then what are you doing participating in these forums? Are you here to save us? Why don't you go live happily ever after and invest in your PMs, and go to their forums? Why you need to be here to talk about bitcoin or try to persuade various readers, here, to buy into your bullshit theories regarding the supposed advantages of PMs instead of bitcoin? i might own more bitcoins than you.. i own both bitcoins and pms, i participate in pm forum as well as this bitcoin forum.. just because you don't understand doesn't mean anything about me :: http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/scientific-study-reveals-conspiracy-theorists-sane.html |
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gimpedcoin still gimping along this morning. comon gimpedcoin! surely you know the halvinging is halving soon! there should be all kinds of interest to get in before then .. the reason : because the pump to where we are now was done for the marshal's.. there never was any additional demand for bitcoin. that is why this thing is going to flop .. because it is not real. their pump stole money from diehard bitcoiners. it is a joke that bitcoin is gonna attract more people when it repels people who have been into it for years... bitcoin has been gimped by the usa govy, who thinks they know wtf they are doing, meanwhile usd is on its deathbed.  ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam. I think this guy sold his account to some FUD shill really ?? and the fud shill is using my book cover as his avatar . |
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January 06, 2016, 06:09:29 PM |
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ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam.
Interesting...how much of a discount can I get on my Amazon purchases using metals? How do I send them my metals from Europe for payment? Yeah... fuck metals. I am not opposed to investing a little of everything, but a person only has so much money to spread around. Even if Bitcoin may not succeed, and even if bitcoin may be subject to a considerable amount of manipulation by potential scam exchanges and banks throwing fiat at it to drive down the price, in the end, Bitcoin has way more upside potential than any of the various precious metals. We could go into a detailed calculation regarding the various upside and downside potentials of each kind of investment, and we would conclude that there are probabilities that various metals could appreciate - maybe even 100x... but at this time, in the current state of affairs, bitcoin has greater probabilities and greater expected future value.... accordingly, bitcoin seems to be an overall better investment than precious metals... Certainly, we will see how this plays out, and every person should perform his/her own calculations in order to determine which ones s/he considers to have the better expected future values and various probabilities that s/he attaches to future appreciation of each (and then invest accordingly). we could argue that bitcoin could easily be replaced by manipulators with another crypto-currency, while pms cannot be replaced by another pms.. one oz of silver is the same as another oz of silver regardless of what is inscribed on its surface or by what name we call it .. this is not the same truth for cryptos in general unfortunately . .. the value of bitcoin could go to zero and never go up again, while pms will ALWAYS be worth something. currently, bitcoin has several unresolved issues that make it a much greater risk as an investment than metals. Yes, I will concede that you made decent points in your above post regarding the tangible nature of precious metals always being worth something and that bitcoin has the potential to be worth very close (if not at absolute) to zero in certain scenarios (including an implied Armageddon scenario, and possibly some other scenarios, as well, including being completely subsumed by some hypothetical, currently non-existent alt currency). However, will you concede that given the totality of circumstances and utility of quasi-decentralized value of bitcoin, etc, etc, bitcoin appears to be the best game in town at the moment and to have a much greater upside potential in how it could be priced in the future, as compared with PMs? Therefore, if you concede the upside potential of BTC, even if assigning very low probabilities to million dollar scenarios, in the end, if we take into account all of the various probabilities as far as we can recognize variables and possible future events, we should consider at this time (even including your implied very low probability scenario of total Armageddon or another currently non-existent scenario of a take over coin/technology), for most people knowledgeable and who perform an honest and genuine calculation should conclude that bitcoin's current expected value is much greater than any of the various PMs that are arguable competitor investments. Maybe you come to a different calculations than me, but if so, you are likely failing and/or refusing to account for the true upside potential of BTC and accurate and realistic probabilities of such upside potential. Instead, you are engaging in ongoing posts of FUD concerning a topic that is not really very relevant to this thread but just apparent attempts at trolling to lead us astray of the true topic of this thread, bitcoin related speculation... |
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guys... the US govy is manipulating the price of pms down, meanwhile, they are manipulating the price of bitcoin upwards. additional adoption is week because new user adoption remains extremely weak. the us govy pumped bitcoin for the marshal's auction.. to make a profit. .... this pump was also used in a desperate attempt to draw in more new users... problem is the flouride and aluminum brain coated morons wiped out some bitcoiners, because those bitcoiners knew what the real value of bitcoin should have been at the time. bitcoin is a SCHEME to scam people from buying pms. I am down 55% on my Pms holdings. Bitcoin I am 50-60% up. Metals are always manipulated and people have been saying for years that silver will be $100 per oz or $500 per oz. I wouldn't believe Shiff, Maloney etc too much. The only reason I won't sell mine if because I am so down on my investment. Who knows what it would take for especially silver to go up. A miracle? they have you right where they want you atm. your thinking your PMS are a bad investment and that bitcoin is a good investment. they would love if you sold your PMS and bought bitcoin. because when the collapse occurs and the dollar is finally toast, then a reset can happen. the reset happens on the big block of cheese day when all usd in bank accounts is frozen and bank bail-ins start. the usd cash you have now will need to be turned into the new domestic dollar. this will happen automatically to your cash in the banks. all usd will lose about 70% purchasing power during the currency exchange. meanwhile, PMS will reset at multiples higher value. i am not sure what happens to bitcoin. it could die altogether. they suck people into a currency that they can devalue quickly. bitchcoin fits this well. BITCOIN is a bigtime SCHEME: two reasons why bitcoin pumped later 2015 1. Marshall's Auction = US GOVY USD PROFIT 2. desperation for new user adoption. they pumped it too early. now they have to go sideways above 400 for months. the halving is still six months away. if there is a new adoption frenzy buying it will happen closer to halving. it aint gonna matter cuz they can't get their 'sanctions' code in without the entire world knowing about it. like Bill Holter said yesterday: there is no rational reason for why the fed raised rates. something is up. we may be closing in on crunch time. some have speculated that the fed is pulling the plug on the usd. Who would have thunk that you are such a psycho fanatic conspiratorialist? If you are so bearish about bitcoin, then what are you doing participating in these forums? Are you here to save us? Why don't you go live happily ever after and invest in your PMs, and go to their forums? Why you need to be here to talk about bitcoin or try to persuade various readers, here, to buy into your bullshit theories regarding the supposed advantages of PMs instead of bitcoin? i might own more bitcoins than you.. i own both bitcoins and pms, i participate in pm forum as well as this bitcoin forum.. just because you don't understand doesn't mean anything about me :: http://themindunleashed.org/2014/10/scientific-study-reveals-conspiracy-theorists-sane.htmlMaybe I am getting you wrong a little bit; however, I stand by earlier point that it appears that you are involved in distracting and mostly irrelevant topics to be bombarding this thread with so much information and argumentation about PMs... Nothing wrong with some diversification into PMs and some discussion and comparison of PMs, but you seem to be taking your argumentation to a much higher and irrelevant seemingly trolling level. |
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gimpedcoin still gimping along this morning. comon gimpedcoin! surely you know the halvinging is halving soon! there should be all kinds of interest to get in before then .. the reason : because the pump to where we are now was done for the marshal's.. there never was any additional demand for bitcoin. that is why this thing is going to flop .. because it is not real. their pump stole money from diehard bitcoiners. it is a joke that bitcoin is gonna attract more people when it repels people who have been into it for years... bitcoin has been gimped by the usa govy, who thinks they know wtf they are doing, meanwhile usd is on its deathbed. ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam. I think this guy sold his account to some FUD shill really ?? and the fud shill is using my book cover as his avatar . Maybe you did not sell your account, but instead you were always a FUD shill sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers? |
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-snip- ... sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers?
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January 06, 2016, 07:07:45 PM |
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-snip- ... sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers?
Hahahahahaha... It seems that you are trying to say something about either the space and/or the relevancy of my posts? Helrow? go on, say it. Don't be shy.  |
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Crypto is done Not really, the price per coin would go vastly higher due to increased money velocity and collateral bid system instead of the current mine and dump system. Holders would strike it rich from increased demand on the float. |
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ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam.
Interesting...how much of a discount can I get on my Amazon purchases using metals? How do I send them my metals from Europe for payment? Yeah... fuck metals. I am not opposed to investing a little of everything, but a person only has so much money to spread around. Even if Bitcoin may not succeed, and even if bitcoin may be subject to a considerable amount of manipulation by potential scam exchanges and banks throwing fiat at it to drive down the price, in the end, Bitcoin has way more upside potential than any of the various precious metals. We could go into a detailed calculation regarding the various upside and downside potentials of each kind of investment, and we would conclude that there are probabilities that various metals could appreciate - maybe even 100x... but at this time, in the current state of affairs, bitcoin has greater probabilities and greater expected future value.... accordingly, bitcoin seems to be an overall better investment than precious metals... Certainly, we will see how this plays out, and every person should perform his/her own calculations in order to determine which ones s/he considers to have the better expected future values and various probabilities that s/he attaches to future appreciation of each (and then invest accordingly). we could argue that bitcoin could easily be replaced by manipulators with another crypto-currency, while pms cannot be replaced by another pms.. one oz of silver is the same as another oz of silver regardless of what is inscribed on its surface or by what name we call it .. this is not the same truth for cryptos in general unfortunately . .. the value of bitcoin could go to zero and never go up again, while pms will ALWAYS be worth something. currently, bitcoin has several unresolved issues that make it a much greater risk as an investment than metals. Yes, I will concede that you made decent points in your above post regarding the tangible nature of precious metals always being worth something and that bitcoin has the potential to be worth very close (if not at absolute) to zero in certain scenarios (including an implied Armageddon scenario, and possibly some other scenarios, as well, including being completely subsumed by some hypothetical, currently non-existent alt currency). However, will you concede that given the totality of circumstances and utility of quasi-decentralized value of bitcoin, etc, etc, bitcoin appears to be the best game in town at the moment and to have a much greater upside potential in how it could be priced in the future, as compared with PMs? Therefore, if you concede the upside potential of BTC, even if assigning very low probabilities to million dollar scenarios, in the end, if we take into account all of the various probabilities as far as we can recognize variables and possible future events, we should consider at this time (even including your implied very low probability scenario of total Armageddon or another currently non-existent scenario of a take over coin/technology), for most people knowledgeable and who perform an honest and genuine calculation should conclude that bitcoin's current expected value is much greater than any of the various PMs that are arguable competitor investments. Maybe you come to a different calculations than me, but if so, you are likely failing and/or refusing to account for the true upside potential of BTC and accurate and realistic probabilities of such upside potential. Instead, you are engaging in ongoing posts of FUD concerning a topic that is not really very relevant to this thread but just apparent attempts at trolling to lead us astray of the true topic of this thread, bitcoin related speculation... i wouldn't own bitcoins if i didnt believe there was potential for bitcoin to become more accepted as a currency leading to it becoming more valuable exchange rate to fiat currencies or pms .. i have not quite figured out the game plan yet ... i think that while they control the manipulation of everything then their plans are to produce as few new millionaires as possible as we go through the transition from usd as a reserve currency... to do this they are manipulating pms and bitcoins to trick people into selling their stash like they did with the "Marshal's Pump" which saw some users in this thread sell some bitcoins in what was a good call (including me i sold all exchange coins and have not re-bought) because there was no fundamental reasons for bitcoin to pump to where it is today .. there was no increase in demand that was able to sustain this price at that time. they used the story of some guy in russia as a cover for their manipulation of bitcoin from chinese exchanges... a better strategy than being a full bitcoin bulltard atm is to hold mostly pms while holding some bitcoins for the usd going away party... if you can trade bitcoins for fiat profit or bitcoin profit then obviously that is good. i cannot trade right now due to the inflated price. i think bitcoin is not ready for mainstream at all due to the bandwidth problem. its not ready for mass adoption. i should not need to pay increased fees just to force my transaction through so that i dont have to stand in line at the grocery store for three hours waiting for a confirmation to pay for something. i think it is too risky to buy a bitcoin that doesnt have the ability to scale properly for $400+ when the manipulators can and will manipulate the price lower causing me losses. fuk that.. i will go buy more pms while they are artificially depressed.. sorry that you do not like my posts exposing the corruption, manipulation, and weaknesses of bitcoin. what did you expect ?? |
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gimpedcoin still gimping along this morning. comon gimpedcoin! surely you know the halvinging is halving soon! there should be all kinds of interest to get in before then .. the reason : because the pump to where we are now was done for the marshal's.. there never was any additional demand for bitcoin. that is why this thing is going to flop .. because it is not real. their pump stole money from diehard bitcoiners. it is a joke that bitcoin is gonna attract more people when it repels people who have been into it for years... bitcoin has been gimped by the usa govy, who thinks they know wtf they are doing, meanwhile usd is on its deathbed. ACCUMULATE metals while they are still artificially depressed! the lower they go the more should buy................ bitcoin is a scam. I think this guy sold his account to some FUD shill really ?? and the fud shill is using my book cover as his avatar . Maybe you did not sell your account, but instead you were always a FUD shill sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers? i was positive with bitcoin for quite awhile.. until the corruption happened.. i am no longer a perma bulltard,, i am now a part time bulltard and part time beartard .. the reason u are against pms is because they have real power while bitcoins not so much.. it cant even scale properly.. it is an extremely risky and dangerous investment... its not really an investment.. something that cannot scale is more of a pet project than a bonafide currency.. |
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It is me or the images from the ChartBuddy are not appearing?
Blame it on the *unlimited* sized image. Disk is filling up with book data. I moved a bunch off. I need to zip it up really. I have 240G worth not including the stuff I already archived off. |
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