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If there is no "weeeee" in your post, then you are not "4 reals."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.

hrmmm..   ...Nah.

Whilst I agree reluctantly with your premise..you personally paint too easy of a target and I choose not to resist my baser instincts.
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If there is no "weeeee" in your post, then you are not "4 reals."   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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I'm not talking about manners here. I don't fucking care what kind of fucking language use or how you fucking act while presenting an argument.

Hahahahhaha

Did you get enough "fuck(s)" in there to make your point?

It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism.

Sounds like you are getting emotional yourself about a certain kind of style.  I was attempting to talk about jbreher's substance, and I guess I was kind of agreeing with you that he is likeable... but I completely agree that jbreher is worhty to be attacked (because of his ideas and even if sometimes some of the attacks go overboard or are not fair)...  Anyhow, I have not seen too many attacks against jbreher that have gone too far... Not yet, anyhow... unless you want to point out an example of an attack against jbreher that went too far or that he did not deserve.
Like I said, I don't care about the medium of delivery.
Flowery words to me are no more than a different language that employs words of other languages. Fucking = very, retarded = mindless. I personally prefer using strong language because I've grown up in that kind of environment, so sticking with it reduces friction of communication for me.
I use it with a smile on my face, unless some dumbass is in front of me that would get physical because his tiny dick would fall off otherwise. Or in professional settings. Obviously not going to go around swearing around professors, except for the two that swear along with me. And in some situations strong language is simply the way to go, namely when an objective debate can't be had because you're being attacked. Then you need to flat out obliterate the idiot to make sure that at least the environment picks up on their lack of rationality and composure.

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I will agree that there is a certain value to truth and genuineness, and jbreher is actually guilty of being disingenuous more than any attacks that I have seen against him.   Furthermore, your seeming attempt to cling onto "truth," and to suggest that some attacks against jbreher are not valid because they are not sufficiently true is coming off as way too abstract to my thinking.  By the way, in 2014 and 2015, purported professor jstolfi used to post in this thread about a lot of ideas and pie in the sky speculations that contained a lot of truths, too, but he was still a fucking relentless troll that camouflaged his bullshit with politeness, academic posturing and misleading by outlining scenarios that had about a snowflake's chance in hill of happening as if they were highly probable... which distracts and misleads people... . and also got real old and repetitious, even if there was some truth and politeness to his ongoing misleading bullshit posts.
I don't read every post in this thread, but I see him dealing with the same issue I do in some of the debates here mainly because he's a believer in BCash. Namely people not listening and making up shit on either of our behalf and then derailing themselves from there while trying to claim some fictive moral high ground.

If I caught him making the same kind of argument and had the capacity to identify it as such I would at the very least think the same about his remarks as I've stated here. I simply don't know Bitcoin in-depth enough to make comparisons of the technological aspects, and neither do most of the people here who just repeat talking points. I'll gladly be the first to say that I support Bitcoin Core because of the type of people BCash mostly attracts. Jbreher appears to be a strange exception on this, so I am at least willing to concede that there might be some merit to his claims.

By the way. I would sit down with whatever people would generally be considered "deplorable" and have an argument (= discussion) with them if I knew that it'd be safe for me to do so. I like learning from people, even if I would celebrate their departure from earth in a casket (which really would take some Hitler or ISIS level idiot, or some child rapist or God knows what sort of menace).

If you can't talk to people you disagree with without just focusing on how you could somehow "get at them" or further your own agenda you clearly have no position worth defending or position that you're capable of defending and haven't learned a single damn thing from life. Such a person is just an infantile ape in an adult body.

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I agree with you on some aspects of what you are saying, but I don't really see jbreher being unfairly treated here.  Jbreher frequently defends his position, and is allowed to defend his position, even though a large number of members here will point out the various ways that they disagree with him... in other words, I think that he gets plenty of time, and I don't really agree with defending him as either some kind of victim or as if he is being treated unfairly... again, there might be some instances that you could point out, and I may agree, but no instances are coming to mind for me at this moment.
I couldn't care less about defending Jbreher, he can do that himself if he feels the need to. I'm merely talking about the fact that some people make up shit while acting as if they weren't.
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March 14, 2019, 06:39:28 AM

You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.

hrmmm..   ...Nah.

Whilst I agree reluctantly with your premise..you personally paint too easy of a target and I choose not to resist my baser instincts.
You're the most delusional person I have talked to in a while. Are you deliberating or do you lack the level of self-control required to put reason over ego and emotion? Or perhaps you are one of those small amygdala cases Ibian provided me with sources for and simply aren't capable of seeing your own intellectual laziness, dishonesty and hypocrisy?

Sure doesn't seem like you have the capacity to resist any of your baser instincts, other than not throwing a rage fit and breaking your inventory perhaps.


P.S. The sheer fact that you "reluctantly" agree with "my" premise of keeping an open mind says everything that anyone would ever need to know about your current infantile mentality.
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
Should be self-evident when looking at literally any conversation. Also what I have been saying for a long fucking time. Schools brainwash people into thinking there is such a thing as an "objective reality", when that is merely a useful tool or approach when looking for solutions.

Also why I keep nitpicking on virtually every topic, and certainly not because I want our wildlife to get wiped out as some twits here keep pretending.

I don’t buy all this relativistic business.
2 + 2 = 4 and nothing anyone can say can convince that that is just my subjective experience.  
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
Should be self-evident when looking at literally any conversation. Also what I have been saying for a long fucking time. Schools brainwash people into thinking there is such a thing as an "objective reality", when that is merely a useful tool or approach when looking for solutions.

Also why I keep nitpicking on virtually every topic, and certainly not because I want our wildlife to get wiped out as some twits here keep pretending.

I don’t buy all this relativistic business.
2 + 2 = 4 and nothing anyone can say can convince that that is just my subjective experience.  
You learn in your first semester of Mathematics that once you define numbers rigorously 2 + 2 quickly becomes 0. They are called finite fields.



Edit: They are also a big part of the reason why you can type your comment in the first place. So whether I can convince you or not does not change the nature of reality.
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Still plenty of bag filling happening as we continue to trade in a narrow range. This trend of sideways is not showing any immediate signs of weakening as we complete the second week of March but I have the feeling things are going to start changing soon.  #dyor

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March 14, 2019, 07:51:51 AM

Like I said, I don't care about the medium of delivery.
Flowery words to me are no more than a different language that employs words of other languages. Fucking = very, retarded = mindless. I personally prefer using strong language because I've grown up in that kind of environment, so sticking with it reduces friction of communication for me.

Of course, your choice about how many fuck(s) you want to use.  I was suggesting that you may have gone overboard a bit within one of the last sentences.. but that is your discretion whether you believe that you are communicating what you had intended.    Sometimes the fucks will b more effective when they are only a couple in a paragraph rather than 4 or 5 in the same paragraph... but whatever, that is your choice, ultimately.

I use it with a smile on my face, unless some dumbass is in front of me that would get physical because his tiny dick would fall off otherwise.

i will agree that we might be able to get a way with a higher level of assertiveness over the internet, but if someone is getting to aggressive with me in the physical space, that could be a crime.  You hav heard of assault, right?

Anyhow, it is not necessarily appropriate to get too aggressive with people in civilized circles.

Or in professional settings. Obviously not going to go around swearing around professors, except for the two that swear along with me. And in some situations strong language is simply the way to go, namely when an objective debate can't be had because you're being attacked. Then you need to flat out obliterate the idiot to make sure that at least the environment picks up on their lack of rationality and composure.

i don't know if you win a debate by "obliterating" through swearing, unless you also have addressed points being made by the opponent.  I suppose it depends on circumstances, and I doubt that it is necessary to always win, either.  

I do agree that some strategic use of language can cause emphasis, though.


I don't read every post in this thread, but I see him dealing with the same issue I do in some of the debates here mainly because he's a believer in BCash. Namely people not listening and making up shit on either of our behalf and then derailing themselves from there while trying to claim some fictive moral high ground.

If you are a supporter of bcash, then you should expect to get bashed in this thread, and sometimes unfairly, and the question might not be whether you are right but whether you are relevant to the topics of the thread or if you are merely trying to derail meaningful bitcoin conversation with bcash bullshit talk.  Who cares if there may be some good attributes of bcash and some of their various members, unless you can somehow make it kind of relevant to this thread?

By the way, I doubt anyone reads every post in this thread, but sometimes if we are talking about some kind of issue about posts or posting, it may be good to have an example here and there... otherwise, we may begin to flail with too many generalizations rather than referring to specifics.. to the extent the matter of a BIGBLOCK supporter poster might continue to be relevant beyond merely a general reference.

If I caught him making the same kind of argument and had the capacity to identify it as such I would at the very least think the same about his remarks as I've stated here. I simply don't know Bitcoin in-depth enough to make comparisons of the technological aspects, and neither do most of the people here who just repeat talking points.

If we are spouting out bitcoin talking points, then we are on topic.  If we are spouting out bcash or alt coin talking points we are not, unless we at least attempt to make our talking points relevant without seeming like a shill or a troll, which can successfully be done, especially if you are not in the habit of posting bullshit off-topic stuff, like someone like roach frequently does or at least frequently there is a stretch to the extent his points are quasi-relevant.

I'll gladly be the first to say that I support Bitcoin Core

There should not be any need in this thread to use that extra word, "core" in order to distinguish about what you are talking about.. but I understand sometimes it can clarify ambiguity, but in this thread a vast majority of us seem to understand what is bitcoin without any additional need for the word "core".

because of the type of people BCash mostly attracts.

O.k.  i like to beat up on bcash celebrities as much as anyone else, but I doubt that support or not has to do with what people are on their team, exactly.  What I am trying to say is that there has never really been any effective undermining of the various bitcoin network effects, and whoever the fuck are working on bitcoin are still present and innovating... Yeah, we have disgruntled failures going over to bcash for a variety of reasons, including that they could not figure out a way to work within bitcoin parameters or they wanted to get rich or they wanted to attempt to have a voice with a smaller team, and whatever, who cares?  Let them do their little thing, including trying to fraudulently act as if they are the real bitcoin and mislead peeps.. mostly mislead newbs, but these snake oil aspects are likely going to continue for a long time, and it remains good to call them out for what they are than to sugar coat.

Jbreher appears to be a strange exception on this, so I am at least willing to concede that there might be some merit to his claims.

You sound distracted, and who gives a shit if he is making good points. He can make them somewhere else.  They are rarely relevant in the bitcoin thread.

By the way. I would sit down with whatever people would generally be considered "deplorable" and have an argument (= discussion) with them if I knew that it'd be safe for me to do so.

Fair enough.  Frequently, if you already socialize in the real world, you are going to find plenty of opportunities to meet and discuss with people of differing views.  Sometimes it can be interesting, but sometimes it is a BIG ASS waste of time.  Several years ago, I recall getting coffee with a friend who I thought was ideologically on the same page as me, and then as we were talking, I realized that the approach was much different, and I recall asking what the fuck about how much time was being spent to "study the opposition?" I suggested that it was a BIG ASS waste of time, but I know people are in different places regarding how usefully they believe it is to study certain matters that I might believe to be less interesting and a waste of time. Anyhow, I seem to be deviating, a bit too much.

I like learning from people, even if I would celebrate their departure from earth in a casket (which really would take some Hitler or ISIS level idiot, or some child rapist or God knows what sort of menace).

Sometimes, it can be interesting, but sometimes it is a BIG ass waste of time.

If you can't talk to people you disagree with without just focusing on how you could somehow "get at them" or further your own agenda you clearly have no position worth defending or position that you're capable of defending and haven't learned a single damn thing from life. Such a person is just an infantile ape in an adult body.

I have no problem talking with various other people, but you know that in polite conversation, you need to be careful about talking politics, religion or sex, unless you are clearly engaging with a willing opponent/participant.  You heard the expression, right?  Don't bring those subjects up.... at a social gathering that is supposed to be friendly, unless you are clearly and unambiguously in a consent based interaction.   Otherwise people might consider you as impolite and imposing your views on them.

I couldn't care less about defending Jbreher,

What is your point then?  I thought that was the whole topic?

he can do that himself if he feels the need to.

Of course, he can.

I'm merely talking about the fact that some people make up shit while acting as if they weren't.

Huh?  I thought that we were talking about jbreher and his ideas.  Now you want to say it is about "some people" and that may be where I am getting lost, perhaps?
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I'm merely talking about the fact that some people make up shit while acting as if they weren't.

Huh?  I thought that we were talking about jbreher and his ideas.  Now you want to say it is about "some people" and that may be where I am getting lost, perhaps?


It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism.
And has been all along.

You got distracted with your wordy craft, which I then elaborated on. I'm probably going to respond to some aspects of your response later, but for now I need to grab some food among other stuff.
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Guys. Your petty feuds are super-boring.


Anyway... 24-hour average here:



We're exactly $1000 under the top line at this point. How can we cross it? We can either jump $1000 or go sideways for 3 months. Which is more likely... well... you can guess.
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March 14, 2019, 08:23:35 AM

Sitting in an all-night bar (how civilized) in Mex City airport waiting for my morning flight to Cancun.

Trying to cope with severe sleep deprivation, 3 hours sleep in close to 48 hours.

Had 4 Guinness at YYZ, 3 Molsons on the flight down. On my 4th Tecate now trying to stay awake. Damn I wish I had some amphetamine.

Alcohol will have to do.
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I'm merely talking about the fact that some people make up shit while acting as if they weren't.

Huh?  I thought that we were talking about jbreher and his ideas.  Now you want to say it is about "some people" and that may be where I am getting lost, perhaps?


It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism.
And has been all along.

You got distracted with your wordy craft, which I then elaborated on. I'm probably going to respond to some aspects of your response later, but for now I need to grab some food among other stuff.

Just because you said... "it's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism" that does not mean that is what we are talking about.  I recall reading that sentence, and it is quite vague in the context in which we were exchanging ideas, and even if you might have been talking about that (or emphasizing those kinds of points), I was not.   

So, if you want to change the topic or devolve into such a vague and seemingly amorphous arena, then I will need some examples about what you mean exactly.... because that claim of "some people" or "people" doing various kinds of shit comes off as both too conspiratorial or pie in the sky and ultimately way too abstract a concept for the both of us to supposedly have been talking about it.

In other words, I deny being distracted within what I was saying, but I cannot necessarily say the same for you, especially if you are concluding that we were supposedly talking about "some people" doing shit.  That is ridiculous, and I hardly understand it's exact relevance to the thing that we were talking about....  so instead of being about jbreher, we are talking about people are treating jbreher badly.. and I already addressed that and denied that I believed that it was of any kind of significant importance.  Of course, your opinion can be different, but it seems that we are devolving into too much abstraction here if we are not referring to some kind of possibly relevant examples.
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Guys. Your petty feuds are super-boring.

Your point?
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
Should be self-evident when looking at literally any conversation. Also what I have been saying for a long fucking time. Schools brainwash people into thinking there is such a thing as an "objective reality", when that is merely a useful tool or approach when looking for solutions.

Also why I keep nitpicking on virtually every topic, and certainly not because I want our wildlife to get wiped out as some twits here keep pretending.

I don’t buy all this relativistic business.
2 + 2 = 4 and nothing anyone can say can convince that that is just my subjective experience.  
You learn in your first semester of Mathematics that once you define numbers rigorously 2 + 2 quickly becomes 0. They are called finite fields.



Edit: They are also a big part of the reason why you can type your comment in the first place. So whether I can convince you or not does not change the nature of reality.

First week of degree maths was prove or disprove why 1+1=2
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Guys. Your petty feuds are super-boring.


Anyway... 24-hour average here:

https://i.imgur.com/xiUT0Ew.png

We're exactly $1000 under the top line at this point. How can we cross it? We can either jump $1000 or go sideways for 3 months. Which is more likely... well... you can guess.

Your almost there? 17days only Roll Eyes
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1\ It is reasonable to assume that Bitcoin’s long-term adoption depends upon the strength of its privacy guarantees, and that the proliferation of blockchain analysis can be a threat.

2\ At the same time, the popularity of the Lightning Network and its own potential to host private payments has generated uncertainty about future demand for on-chain settlement and the security of the network when there are no more block rewards.

3\ As such, Bitcoin's privacy guarantees and its long-term sustainability without perpetual inflation are perhaps two of the most divisive issues surrounding Bitcoin today.

And while very different in nature, there's a chance they will be solved simultaneously.

4\ We now have novel privacy-preserving technologies that are evolving at a fast pace, including Confidential Transactions, Bulletproofs, zkSNARKs, zkSTARKs, and MimbleWimble.

But I don't think any of them will ever be implemented on Bitcoin.

5\ Apart from the requirement of a HF, a problem with these technologies is that they can prevent the full audibility of Bitcoin’s monetary base. In other words, when transaction values are encoded, it becomes difficult to verify whether Bitcoin’s supply cap is, in fact, 21M BTC.

6\ Similarly, inflation bugs and double spends become harder to identify, and the requirement of trusted setups for some schemes pose considerable risks.

Thus, a push for the implementation of cutting-edge privacy on Bitcoin’s base layer will likely divide its community.

7\ But what if I told you Schnorr may be the first step toward *sufficient privacy* through techniques that do not require hard-forks or otherwise compromise auditability?

8\ In this article, I describe some interesting features of Schnorr-based signatures, including key aggregation, private off-chain smart contracts and the potential for cross-input aggregation.

9\ These features will address some of the shortcomings of CoinJoin, a privacy-preserving technique where multiple senders and receivers are combined within a single transaction. CoinJoin transactions are larger in size, but with Schnorr, they will offer much better privacy.

10\ In conjunction techniques such as Pay-to-EndPoint (P2EP), Schnorr can enable the creation of new transactions types that break the heuristics widely used in blockchain analysis, and make it nearly impossible to pin point specific entities by simply looking at the blockchain.

11\ Ultimately, the long-term demand for privacy through these types of transaction directly translates into an increase in on-chain transaction fees. As such, demand for privacy can be an instrumental way to develop Bitcoin's fee market after the last bitcoin has been mined.

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