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[lightfoot]

That's NOT how it works in US.
There is no coverage denial for pre-existing conditions, AFAIK.

Right now, yes. However get rid of Obamacare and things can change.... quickly.

Sorry but the future is not what it used to be.

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[bitserve]

It doesn't matter if the insurance company knows.  If you get a DNA test, and you know that you have a higher than average chance to get a specific disease, and don't disclose that to an insurance company, then your insurance cover is void.

Better not to know, and to be covered by health insurance than know, and be uninsurable.  

Get the insurance first.

Test yourself.

Decide if you go on or cancel the insurance.

Profit.


P.S.: In fact, and following (even if I had already scheduled) on the good advice given by Bob a few pages before... I am going to do my first colonoscopy because of reasons... and I had it posponed a couple of months because first I need to sign my new mortgage life insurance. Hedging....

It would be a bad joke that not only I were going to die... but it would cost me money for not doing the things right.

[Biodom]

That's NOT how it works in US.
There is no coverage denial for pre-existing conditions, AFAIK.

Right now, yes. However get rid of Obamacare and things can change.... quickly.

Sorry but the future is not what it used to be.

Not going to happen.
Autism is an obvious pre-existing condition.
One in 59 children are on the spectrum (https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html).
If they would be denied coverage, there would be an outrage.

[HairyMaclairy]

It doesn't matter if the insurance company knows.  If you get a DNA test, and you know that you have a higher than average chance to get a specific disease, and don't disclose that to an insurance company, then your insurance cover is void.

Better not to know, and to be covered by health insurance than know, and be uninsurable.  

Get the insurance first.

Test yourself.

Decide if you go on or cancel the insurance.

Profit.

Ok, but then you are trapped in a single insurance product and cannot change the product, and may or may not be able to change deductible limits.  Also I don't know whether that then impacts the ability of your children to get insurance coverage for inheritable conditions.  


As far as the USA goes (and no denial for pre-existing conditions) does that just apply to a base level health insurance or does the 'no denial' rule also apply to super duper high end health insurance packages?  

In more practical terms, I am more concerned that the data from people driving habits could be (potentially) pipelined to auto insurance as your android/iphone definitely knows the speed of your driving vs the speed limit in an area. That would be nasty as around here the flow on the highway is ALWAYS 5-10 miles above the speed limit and you have to stay with the flow.

There is talk about automatic enforcement of speed limits (eg the car will not go faster than the speed limit).  That would kill government revenue from speeding tickets so never going to happen. 

[bitserve]

It doesn't matter if the insurance company knows.  If you get a DNA test, and you know that you have a higher than average chance to get a specific disease, and don't disclose that to an insurance company, then your insurance cover is void.

Better not to know, and to be covered by health insurance than know, and be uninsurable.  

Get the insurance first.

Test yourself.

Decide if you go on or cancel the insurance.

Profit.

Ok, but then you are trapped in a single insurance product and cannot change the product, and may or may not be able to change deductible limits.  Also I don't know whether that then impacts the ability of your children to get insurance coverage for inheritable conditions.  

Oh well, that's too many things to consider.... You can't control everything you know, but those things you can easily do, you do... see my P.S. to the above post.

I would say your children, being a different individual, could always claim to not having been informed about it.

[infofront]

ok, seems like this is it for this small rally, fun while it lasted, fasten your seat belt.



Very strong Resistance ahead, not enough momentum to push to the upside,

RSI is approaching 42 on the weekly which was the most critical support level that now will act as resistance.


what is my plan ?

hold on to dear btc just in case it breaks out of this strong resistance , dump it once this trend on the 4HR is broken to the down side, rebuy at 3.4k for 10-13% discount.

Looks pretty reasonable to me. I can't see the current rally having any legs.

[HairyMaclairy]

Look I understand your approach.  

My view is that DNA tests are too dangerous and that there are too many factors to control.  Therefore you should never do them.*

Your mileage may differ.  








*I am sure that there are some valid exceptions to the rule, but "let's see what we can find" or "am I related to Genghis Khan" is not one of them for me.  

[bitserve]

Look I understand your approach.  

My view is that DNA tests are too dangerous and that there are too many factors to control.  Therefore you should never do them.*

Your mileage may differ.  








*I am sure that there are some valid exceptions to the rule, but "let's see what we can find" or "am I related to Genghis Khan" is not one of them for me.  

With that thinking I wouldn't even do the colonoscopy that I think I really need. There's many illness that are curable if detected on time.

And no... It's not on my schedule to do a DNA test.....

[HairyMaclairy]

I can't see the current rally having any legs.

No legs?  Or has the bear line just switched from resistance line to a support line?

[HairyMaclairy]

With that thinking I wouldn't even do the colonoscopy that I think I really need. There's many illness that are curable if detected on time.

That's different.  

The colonoscopy will determine whether or not you have an existing condition in your bowel now.  

It will tell you little or nothing about your propensity to get a condition in 10 years time.  

The dangerous information is what you might get in the future, not what you do have now.  It is dangerous because it can prevent you from getting coverage for a future condition.  And thinking about it, does Obamacare extend coverage to future conditions?

The information about what you do have now is of course crucially important and should not be delayed.

[JayJuanGee]

Common break through that 4K again and for good would be Nice

Snorkling, sunny, green dildo’s, breakfast ..... happy mornings

How much I hate these moments after the 4000 price breakthrough.

Yeah, rinse/wash/repeat is getting really, really old. Some supposed experts say we need to blast thru $4,600 USD for any real stability.

it is boring, well in a good way, I guess I had too much 'excitement' when BTC dumped from 18k to 3.2k

so I want 'responsible' excitment...not 'horror' excitement ...to be clear ...price wise.

(bored, on W0, should do laundry etc....stalling)

On the bright side, if it is down here long enough, you might be able to get a decent amount of the BTC that you sold back, to the extent that matters to you.

But, yeah, I don't really like it either, except for I don't seem to focus on the negative as much as you do.  i continue to be amazed that I have invested into an asset that continues to be up more than 15x from 3.5 years ago, and also seems to have really good upside potential prospects, in spite of continuing to be up more than 15x from its 2015 levels that were largely in the $250 price arena.

[bitserve]

With that thinking I wouldn't even do the colonoscopy that I think I really need. There's many illness that are curable if detected on time.

That's different.  

The colonoscopy will determine whether or not you have an existing condition in your bowel now.  

It will tell you little or nothing about your propensity to get a condition in 10 years time.  

The dangerous information is what you might get in the future, not what you do have now.  It is dangerous because it can prevent you from getting coverage for a future condition.  And thinking about it, does Obamacare extend coverage to future conditions?

The information about what you do have now is of course crucially important and should not be delayed.

Yeah, agreed now. I donno shit about Obamacare though. In my country I am fully covered by social security for my whole life no matter what and by private medical insurance (which is only useful for faster attention for minor/rutinary things... like that colonoscopy) additionally in my case. Don't really need to care about medical costs... at all.

[HairyMaclairy]

Good perspective.  If you don’t need medical insurance then DNA testing makes a lot more sense.

[StartupAnalyst]

 Good morning WO`s. I found an animation that reminded me of dinner with my brother last year. Gentlemen want to see her?

[HairyMaclairy]

Should we be worried?

[Searing]

Common break through that 4K again and for good would be Nice

Snorkling, sunny, green dildo’s, breakfast ..... happy mornings

How much I hate these moments after the 4000 price breakthrough.

Yeah, rinse/wash/repeat is getting really, really old. Some supposed experts say we need to blast thru $4,600 USD for any real stability.

it is boring, well in a good way, I guess I had too much 'excitement' when BTC dumped from 18k to 3.2k

so I want 'responsible' excitment...not 'horror' excitement ...to be clear ...price wise.

(bored, on W0, should do laundry etc....stalling)

On the bright side, if it is down here long enough, you might be able to get a decent amount of the BTC that you sold back, to the extent that matters to you.

But, yeah, I don't really like it either, except for I don't seem to focus on the negative as much as you do.  i continue to be amazed that I have invested into an asset that continues to be up more than 15x from 3.5 years ago, and also seems to have really good upside potential prospects, in spite of continuing to be up more than 15x from its 2015 levels that were largely in the $250 price arena.

Not so much a focus on the downside then on the WTF is going on side... I pretty much am still buying back at below my panic sell price of 13 btc (which I can't gripe

about because that is what I'm living on this year w/o taking soc sec or Medicaid yet)

so sold some equip (fluke) for a good price (fluke) and selling stuff on eBay I'd die with otherwise (attic mining) also made $$$ last year mining yet and can convert

what I dumped into a solo 401k into 4 btc on that...

so (if I do the solo 401k) will have gotten back about 7 of the 13 btc and would only be down 5 btc (which again paid the solo401k taxes of 17k and what I'm living on this year)

so from my panic sale of 13 btc at $6,965 (which I see we may be $5 more now) I can hardly complain...again ...due to living off the proceeds of my panic this year
paid all my expenses above and medical for they year to boot

I guess I had the ILLUSION from 2013 to 2017 2018 or so that I knew wtf was going on...angles on mining/saving/etc

the btc got back above helps...but innocence lost don't ya know after the dump from 18k to 3.2k and now back to $3,969 btc as I type this

seems BTC is having a hard time getting over my initial panic sell (include screaming) of 13 btc last year at $3,965 USD huh?

so it is not so much pessimistic as my certainty of choices has taken a bit of a hit..don't ya know...but scrambling along anyway


heh... I suppose I could dump my BCH and BSV and get all my 13 blown BTC back..recover that last 5 btc...recoup the full 13 btc blown

..hmmmmm......maybe I am getting my 'mojo' back


brad

[JSRAW]

Gentlemen want to see her?

Wait



* Animation * Girl * Brother ?( confusion part )

[StartupAnalyst]

Cryptoinvestors dinner. On the left is my brother - he invested in an ripple (if you can call such a man a brother).

[JSRAW]

+1
@StartupAnalyst share video if you can.

[JayJuanGee]

Common break through that 4K again and for good would be Nice

Snorkling, sunny, green dildo’s, breakfast ..... happy mornings

How much I hate these moments after the 4000 price breakthrough.

Yeah, rinse/wash/repeat is getting really, really old. Some supposed experts say we need to blast thru $4,600 USD for any real stability.

it is boring, well in a good way, I guess I had too much 'excitement' when BTC dumped from 18k to 3.2k

so I want 'responsible' excitment...not 'horror' excitement ...to be clear ...price wise.

(bored, on W0, should do laundry etc....stalling)

On the bright side, if it is down here long enough, you might be able to get a decent amount of the BTC that you sold back, to the extent that matters to you.

But, yeah, I don't really like it either, except for I don't seem to focus on the negative as much as you do.  i continue to be amazed that I have invested into an asset that continues to be up more than 15x from 3.5 years ago, and also seems to have really good upside potential prospects, in spite of continuing to be up more than 15x from its 2015 levels that were largely in the $250 price arena.

Not so much a focus on the downside then on the WTF is going on side... I pretty much am still buying back at below my panic sell price of 13 btc (which I can't gripe

about because that is what I'm living on this year w/o taking soc sec or Medicaid yet)

so sold some equip (fluke) for a good price (fluke) and selling stuff on eBay I'd die with otherwise (attic mining) also made $$$ last year mining yet and can convert

what I dumped into a solo 401k into 4 btc on that...

so (if I do the solo 401k) will have gotten back about 7 of the 13 btc and would only be down 5 btc (which again paid the solo401k taxes of 17k and what I'm living on this year)

so from my panic sale of 13 btc at $6,965 (which I see we may be $5 more now) I can hardly complain...again ...due to living off the proceeds of my panic this year
paid all my expenses above and medical for they year to boot

I guess I had the ILLUSION from 2013 to 2017 2018 or so that I knew wtf was going on...angles on mining/saving/etc

the btc got back above helps...but innocence lost don't ya know after the dump from 18k to 3.2k and now back to $3,969 btc as I type this

seems BTC is having a hard time getting over my initial panic sell (include screaming) of 13 btc last year at $3,965 USD huh?

so it is not so much pessimistic as my certainty of choices has taken a bit of a hit..don't ya know...but scrambling along anyway


heh... I suppose I could dump my BCH and BSV and get all my 13 blown BTC back..recover that last 5 btc...recoup the full 13 btc blown

..hmmmmm......maybe I am getting my 'mojo' back

brad

Woops!!!!!   I responded to you by PM, but then I saw your post in this thread.  I am o.k. with the public back and forth on this topic.

Here was my PM response to you:

I had a general idea about your situation and that you had been buying some of your BTC back, so there might be some good things coming out of this situation and even lessons learned. 

Of course, the BTC price did not crash as much as you were feeling when you made your 13BTC sale, but I understand that you were selling as a kind of insurance, too.

Regarding the Bcash ABC and the Bcash SV... I am a bit surprised that you had not already sold those.  I understand that there is some risk involved in splitting coins and things like that, and it took me about a month to figure out how to split my bcash in August/September 2017, so by the time Bcash SV forked off, I did have any bcash left.

So, yeah, the price of the various bcash forks are pretty low right now, and who the fuck knows whether it would be prudent to sell them now, or hang on to them in case there is some kind of pump.  It could go either way with those, I suppose, even though I think that the longer term trajectory for both of them is zero it is far from certain how long it is going to take for them to go to zero and the extent to which they might be able to pump in the future in order that you might be able to sell on price peaks rather than now?

I have few coins that I don't have a lot of confidence in them (monero, ltc, eth, etc and bgold), and they are a quite low portion of my total "crypto" portfolio value (less than 1% I think), so I am not really anxious about selling any of them, and I am o.k. with any of them either going to zero or perhaps just keeping them for later, in case they happen to become worth anything, perhaps?