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https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1360276917992230919?s=20

Btw what the F*** is happened with this guy.

I think that the main problem is about covid deniers and other conspiracy theorists which is widely presented in bitcoin community. Personally, I also hate such kind of people (i don't think that people with IQ below 70 should be with me in Bitcoin Citadel) but really weird. To hate bitcoin because of some idiots which have it.

Always respected him a lot, changing at the moment though.

Meh, this is also weird to change your mind after one different (compared to yours) point of view.

I think I actually still have a bit of bitcoin on a couple of pools. Though last time I tried to spend some of the dust I'd accumulated (p2pool), the fees were ridiculous because of so many inputs (and mempool madness, of course).

There is some bitcoin accelerators, like the one from ViaBTC.
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the combination of the best performing asset in the history of finance being also the by far most volatile asset in history is a heavy weight to lift.  we are not specially trained, hardened professional traders with balls of steel. most of us are regular guys who would have never chosen becoming traders. with selling the entire stash being just a mouseclick away, hodling btc is like trading - you choose not to sell, every new moment, every new day, every new wave of FUD.

We had no choice but to grow balls of steel ourselves. when your life savings can literally evaporate overnight, getting up in the morning, checking the price would be hyper stressful for a someone not used to it. it became routine for us. but it takes time for those balls to harden. and sometimes, for example when reaching a certain threshold money figure like $100 000 or even 1mio, even seasoned btc hodlers can experience high stress levels again.

I definitely recommend taking a little profit and treating yourself now and again. Not too much cause it hurts when the price goes up and the toy you bought for $50 would have got you $500 or even $5000 (though this in itself is good training to hodl) but it's definitely nice to know that even if everything went to 0, you'd still be ahead. Another thing is to make a plan and stick to it and remember that you can't predict the future, only make the most of probabilities. Also, you can't take it with you.

Just take your initial investment back as that relieves any stress.

Nothing beats Playing with House Money. Cheesy

 ...but isn't that what our buddy mindrust did?  He also said it was for peace of mind.
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When moon?
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February 15, 2021, 07:19:05 PM

...but isn't that what our buddy mindrust did?  He also said it was for peace of mind.


Why does he sold all his coins at the bottom? I can't get it even now. If you have a work and hobby, you can just "forget" about your coins. If it fail, in factnothing will change for you. Yeah, you will regret this all your life "Oh, i could sold it and bought new Cadillac for myself!". But what will be (in fact what already happened in mindrust case) if this will success? If you've sold at the bottom, you will regret your actions much stronger than in if it would fail.
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I really need the lockdownz to stop:





When moon?

t - 9.99 months and counting. Wink
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I really need the lockdownz to stop:





When moon?

t - 9.99 months and counting. Wink

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I think I actually still have a bit of bitcoin on a couple of pools. Though last time I tried to spend some of the dust I'd accumulated (p2pool), the fees were ridiculous because of so many inputs (and mempool madness, of course).

You can filter a low fee transaction trough your own node. Just make sure you make the transaction before you run the node. Also you might have to keep the node running for a month or two till it gets to your transaction. Other n00bs have put a low fee 'by default' just because they are noobs, and you will have to go trough their transactions first before the node reaches yours, good luck with your charity work... but probably in the end it will pay off. Smiley
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Good Morning BTC Land... So we had a massive dump this night... How shocking... So no 50k sadly I had no fiat left for buying the Dip. Sad

I saw lowest was 46k so almost 8%, now we are a little higher than than. Mmh f2pool again?

Let see what the day brings us.

>>>>>>we had a massive dump this night.<<<<

Get a fucking grip, dieselmeister.

"Massive dump"... Hardly even a blip on the radar.. whether going through it live or even looking at it after the fact.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Completely normal BTC price movements (maybe even "ant-sized"?), especially when we had been floating at the top of the BTC price range.

Okay, was away for a little time and got work to do. Back, watch the price. Not 50k instead again down to 48k we had this game last week I think. Hopefully this asshole, who dumps everytime we came close to the 50k,went out of coins.. Or his fingers should fall of his hands... I am good with both events Cheesy

Are you fucking nuts, dieselmeister.  You continue posting about dumps for ants as if they matter for anyone who is not looking at 1 minute charts. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The last material and significant bitcoin dump that had any proximity to meaning was going from $42k t0 $30k-ish... and we stayed in a kind of uncertainty status for about 3 weeks, which such relatively short period of uncertainty even might end up placing that conceptualization of a "dump" in "ants" territory in the whole scheme of things.

Think about this matter a wee bit before getting all excited about whether we are breaking through $50k or not (and sure you continue to assert that some kind of major or meaningful "failure to break through $50k" exists.. which remains a premature proclamation and even a likely overexcited proclamation).   We have been pushing up and pushing up for 6 days and floating at the top of a BTC price range... which should not be characterized as a dump but an ongoing UPpity price pressures and ongoing consolidations at the top of a range $42k to $49,715.

I look a 1h charts Tongue

Oh great.  You are thinking much MOAR BIGger than I had speculated, dieselmeister

But am I now allowed to complain about the 8-9% dump that night? We saw what happened. 50k is near 50k is near...

 Of course, you can do whatever the fuck you want, and many of us are going to likely label you as incredible and as an exaggerator.. because you are constantly exaggerating in regards to down movement that you want to happen and largely contributing a lot of meaningless noise, rather than figuring out ways to try to make meaningful contributions in the thread.

Yeah, do whatever you want, and guys like me are going to call you names... and label you in various ways as well.

Btw we saw this also on the edge of 40k.same here.

 Which should give you some kind of clue that these are normal kinds of activities, but they do not always play out in exactly the same way, even if you striving to make nonsensical parallels and attribute way more certainty to BTC price direction (mostly down in your case) that may or may not happen.

There is someone who has massive BTC and don't want the price move above the psycholical barriers.

Nonsense.  Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit pie in the sky speculation "one man" manipulation theories.
 

Oh no... I am not allowed to say that here or what?

You can say whatever you want you delirious fuck, and you will be called out for ongoingly spouting out bullshit.
 
It was the same as I wrote this text, you complain about. It was the almost 10% that night.

Oh, now you want to clutter the thread with bullshit about how you were supposedly right about something.   Are you trying to be a BTC price sorcerer or something?
 
But I am certain, that this Market is manipulated and this particular pool I often mention is one of them. I know it's no news. We all know BTC is a manipulated markted.

The manipulation question is a matter of degree rather than kind, so sure everyone involved in bitcoin is going to recognize certain amounts and kinds of manipulation, but manipulation remains only one factor that may well be over-played as an explanation.. which if you try to emphasize too much on the manipulation angle you start to look like a fucking retard. 

It is quite likely that bitcoin is way less manipulated than a lot of other markets, and frequently when one person is calling manipulation, there is nothing more than normal market movements taking place.  We have people trying to manipulate on one side an others on the other side, and we have seen a whole lot of times in bitcoin that the BIG ass players who want to manipulate bitcoin prices down are not successful and they lose control over the whole damned thing and are not able to keep it down for several hundreds of percentages of UPward movement that seems to take place after they spent so much time and resources trying to keep the BTC price down.  Sure, you can label those situations as manipulation all  the fuck that you want, but in bitcoin, we have seen that sometimes the ones trying to manipulate (and had been reasonable successful previously) end up getting reckt the fuck out of because they ended up overplaying their hand(s).
 

But it's now so huge, that we only see currently dips in the 5% oder 10% range. And not 40% or more. Hopefully these massive coordinated dumps don't trigger so much Stopp loss orders any more.

For the same facts that you are trying to outline, there are other explanations besides manipulation... including the fact that every BTC price cycle is not going to play out exactly the same.  For example in 2013, we had two large upwards BTC price movements without very many significant BTC price dips within the two exponential periods, yet in 2017 we had a much longer upwards cycle that had a decent number of significant BTC price dips in the process of getting through the whole exponential period.  Sure the period can be characterized and analyzed in differing ways in terms of when the started and how long it took to play out, but I would still assert that those two dynamics were different, but they do not really tell us exactly how this cycle is going to play out, and really, again, I doubt that stupid-ass simplified assertions about BTC price manipulation is really going to give any kind of meaningful insight, above and beyond, just clouding how to assess what is actually happening in regards to overall BTC price dynamics.


That's my opinion. But I HODL so in the long run we win. But it's sad to see.

Hard to know whether to believe you.  From my perspective, you have been coming off as a kind of dweeb who likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth and act like he knows what he is talking about, when the vast majority of time, you seem to be spouting out exaggerated baloney on a regular basis.

But I have to go to work and get some fiat money to buy more Bitcoins. So no Complaining about the price for approximate 8h... So long...

Yes... come back in 8 hours and provide us with some more erudite "insight" regarding what is happening in BTClandia.. that would be appreciated by not too many (employing the royal we, here) #nohomo.
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I think I actually still have a bit of bitcoin on a couple of pools. Though last time I tried to spend some of the dust I'd accumulated (p2pool), the fees were ridiculous because of so many inputs (and mempool madness, of course).

You can filter a low fee transaction trough your own node. Just make sure you make the transaction before you run the node. Also you might have to keep the node running for a month or two till it gets to your transaction. Other n00bs have put a low fee 'by default' just because they are noobs, and you will have to go trough their transactions first before the node reaches yours, good luck with your charity work... but probably in the end it will pay off. Smiley

How can you slip in a transaction of your choice if it isn't you who "wins" the block? Please explain this a little better if you can.
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Good Morning BTC Land... So we had a massive dump this night... How shocking... So no 50k sadly I had no fiat left for buying the Dip. Sad

I saw lowest was 46k so almost 8%, now we are a little higher than than. Mmh f2pool again?

Let see what the day brings us.

>>>>>>we had a massive dump this night.<<<<

Get a fucking grip, dieselmeister.

"Massive dump"... Hardly even a blip on the radar.. whether going through it live or even looking at it after the fact.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Completely normal BTC price movements (maybe even "ant-sized"?), especially when we had been floating at the top of the BTC price range.

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I see you got triggered again my friend... Cheesy Cheesy

I managed to read the first few lines of text.!!!! Tongue

And yes, the corn seems to get less and less volatile. Tongue  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Only 8-9% price movement. Sad  /sadpricemovement Sad  Cry
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...but isn't that what our buddy mindrust did?  He also said it was for peace of mind.


Why does he sold all his coins at the bottom? I can't get it even now. If you have a work and hobby, you can just "forget" about your coins. If it fail, in factnothing will change for you. Yeah, you will regret this all your life "Oh, i could sold it and bought new Cadillac for myself!". But what will be (in fact what already happened in mindrust case) if this will success? If you've sold at the bottom, you will regret your actions much stronger than in if it would fail.

 No.  The covid bottom scared the shit out of him.  He waited until he could cash out with his initial investment and then bailed.  I think it was around 10k when he pulled out.
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...but isn't that what our buddy mindrust did?  He also said it was for peace of mind.


Why does he sold all his coins at the bottom? I can't get it even now. If you have a work and hobby, you can just "forget" about your coins. If it fail, in factnothing will change for you. Yeah, you will regret this all your life "Oh, i could sold it and bought new Cadillac for myself!". But what will be (in fact what already happened in mindrust case) if this will success? If you've sold at the bottom, you will regret your actions much stronger than in if it would fail.

 No.  The covid bottom scared the shit out of him.  He waited until he could cash out with his initial investment and then bailed.  I think it was around 10k when he pulled out.


AFAIR he bought at around $1.000 and kicked it at $4.000 and he was proud to "win" 30.000 with his 10 BTC.
So, let me calculate... His "win" turns to a loss of $445.000, as of today. Absolute Legend (but not in a positive way).

*Edited loss amount
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AFAIR he bought at around $1.000 and kicked it at $4.000 and he was proud to "win" 30.000 with his 10 BTC.
So, let me calculate... His "win" turns to a loss of $455.000, as of today. Absolute Legend (but not in a positive way).

Meeeeeh. Not the best of course, but at least without losses. I know people who in 2017 lost big amounts of money. And what do you think? Did they hold until now? No  Grin

They bought at 15-17k and sold around 4-6k.

So, despite mindrust was wrong, he didn't lost anything in fact. 30k usd is a very good money, tho.

But yeah, you never should put all eggs in one basket. In his situation it would be much better to sold a half, get his investments back, some profit (around 10k) and keep another part of btc. It would be the wisest decision
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I don't know how long ago you started accumulating BTC, dieselmeister, but complaining about a 10% drop in Bitcoin price seems very newbie-behaviour to me. I've been accumulating BTC and following the price since 2015, and right now, even a 50% drop would not make me even blink, let alone worry. Why? Because I know that's how Bitcoin behaves short-term. 10% drops are just noise. Sit back Zoom out, relax, have a coffee, and enjoy your long-term near-certain gains.

Accumulation since 2014/2015* before than, I sold most of my Bitcoins, which I mined. So Yes I know the 80% and 89% drops, when the retail investers were in the market Wink ...

Of course, we need to take your various representations with a BIG ASS grain of salt.  You have already proven to be quite incredible in your ongoing baloney exaggeration posts, which demonstrates newbie status, just like AlcoHoDL suggested.

I talk about the drop near psychological barriers. No doubt, that in the near future we get a massive pump, which get us over 50k in one strike. As it happens, with the 40k. But there is no doubt, that someone try to stop the rise over 50k, like they did when we were near 30k.

Yes... lot's of things could happen, in terms of short-to-medium BTC price movements. If you continue to make various posts about what you think, surely sooner or later you will end up being right and you can self-proclaim ur lil selfie as a genius.

So I am relaxed.

Contrary to the evidence (of your posts)

But I need fiat money to buy more Wink damn ...

That's why you have been employing so much emotion into rooting for down.. o.k.  Mindrust used to root for down, and look what happened to him.  jajajajjajaja

*I was a very poor guy back then, so even with this low price, I did't accumulate much. :/ Today, I have a better job my own company, now I can accumulate the same small amout as in the past Cheesy . Also I had a break after 2017 and restarted in 2019...

That part makes sense, but still does not excuse your ongoing emotional baloney in the thread..,. from my perspective... whatever that's worth.

Good Morning BTC Land... So we had a massive dump this night... How shocking... So no 50k sadly I had no fiat left for buying the Dip. Sad

I saw lowest was 46k so almost 8%, now we are a little higher than than. Mmh f2pool again?

Let see what the day brings us.

>>>>>>we had a massive dump this night.<<<<

Get a fucking grip, dieselmeister.

"Massive dump"... Hardly even a blip on the radar.. whether going through it live or even looking at it after the fact.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Completely normal BTC price movements (maybe even "ant-sized"?), especially when we had been floating at the top of the BTC price range.

[...]


I see you got triggered again my friend... Cheesy Cheesy

I managed to read the first few lines of text.!!!! Tongue

And yes, the corn seems to get less and less volatile. Tongue  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Only 8-9% price movement. Sad  /sadpricemovement Sad  Cry

Yes, safetheRF... the fact that you only read the first few lines speaks more about you than it does about your assessment of my supposed state of "triggeredness.".. you dweeb.   Tongue

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Yes, safetheRF... the fact that you only read the first few lines speaks more about you than it does about your assessment of my supposed state of "triggeredness.".. you dweeb.   Tongue

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I got to a point in life that I feel very old and I have no patience for anything. Tongue

I'l just enjoy my sugar free coffee and my home made keto chocolate chip cookies, while I'l see some more entertainment on youtube or torrents, and here ofc from time to time. Smiley
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Good Morning BTC Land... So we had a massive dump this night... How shocking... So no 50k sadly I had no fiat left for buying the Dip. Sad

I saw lowest was 46k so almost 8%, now we are a little higher than than. Mmh f2pool again?

Let see what the day brings us.
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So fuck off and don't read my post. Who you think you are, that you can "order" here someone to leave the board. Someone describe to me the situation without any insult. But  Big Jay Jay have to begin a rant 10h after I posted my stuff and someone gave a good explanation to it. Without any insult. What is wrong with you, I have to ask. Did you have some anger issues? Seek help and try not to insult people here. Btw maybe you said something important, but I stop reading after the first insult. So your rant went into nothing. Or did you wanted to address other people's with that? Maybe you get some credit for insulting others, don't know, but your Bla Bla didn't reach me, because you have no control over you emotions. I
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I used to watch the prices of wallpaper vs the size of a dollar. I figured that once the dollar was cheaper than the wallpaper I'd wallpaper one of my rooms with dollars.

What kind of wallpaper are you looking at? Paint might actually be cheaper plus comes in all sorts of colors. Wallpaper, you have to glue it to the wall and then it comes off eventually unless you use super glue or epoxy or something.


As for how long one should HODL, the answer so far is 1335 days.

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How long do you have to hold Bitcoin to make a 100% sure profit? According to my analysis it is 1335 days or 3 years and 8 months.

This is from someone who took price data for bitcoin and checked what is the longest from top peak to when it went over. So anyone who has HODL'd about 4 years, no matter when they bought it, would be in profit.
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Good Morning BTC Land... So we had a massive dump this night... How shocking... So no 50k sadly I had no fiat left for buying the Dip. Sad

I saw lowest was 46k so almost 8%, now we are a little higher than than. Mmh f2pool again?

Let see what the day brings us.
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Good as always, only 10 2 away from Legendary bro

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