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[F-bernanke]

Who's panic buying on stamp?

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[TERA]

Who's panic buying on stamp?

It was acutally a 1000BTC buy order on Bitfinex - I saw it on the order book   1000BTC @ 720.  Half of it got filled on Bitfinex.

[F-bernanke]

Who's panic buying on stamp?

It was acutally a 1000BTC buy order on Bitfinex - I saw it on the order book   1000BTC @ 720.  Half of it got filled on Bitfinex.

I have no idea how that works, got to look into that i guess.

[T.Stuart]

I think it's that creepy low volume weak/flat trend after the dust settles from a boom/bust, which leads into a final capitulation.

Also, China.

China what?

It's getting a bit daft when people say the word "China" without even trying to explain what they are talking about. You could say for example "The news is that China will ban Bitcoin by the end of January" or "We have been reliably informed that Chinese whales are going to dump Bitcoins on America" (both questionable propositions), but just saying "China!" is like saying "The bogeyman's coming!"

China (huobi) leading the price movements is not a good indicator. Either it could be fake, or it could be real and then the chinese government can shut it down. Neither would be good news. I would have much preferred to see a recovery without China.

It would be great to be able to "de-couple" (as some people put it) I agree. It's got to happen mentally with Bitcoin users. People forget that previous rises were not based on news from China. There is still such a long way to go that figuratively speaking the world is still Bitcoin's oyster!  

[gandhibt]

okay crash is delayed, sorry for the inconvenience...

[T.Stuart]

Who's panic buying on stamp?

A fair price for anyone looking to invest for a few month = not a panic buy

[TERA]

Who's panic buying on stamp?

It was acutally a 1000BTC buy order on Bitfinex - I saw it on the order book   1000BTC @ 720.  Half of it got filled on Bitfinex.

I have no idea how that works, got to look into that i guess.

Bitfinex is a margin brokerage/exchange which has millions of dollars of usd on reserve with Bitstamp so Bitfinex can execute orders on Bitstamp on behalf of Bitfinex users. Bitfinex also has it's own internal order book which doesn't rely on Bitstamp.  As a Bitfinex user you can see both order books combined and choose to fill your order on either Bitfinex, Bitstamp, or both. It used to have gox too. Pretty neat.

[F-bernanke]

Thanks TERA, that sounds interesting.

[gizmoh]

Past performance is not indicative of future performance. To early adopters who Hodle:

You could be rich but you want to be richer and you'll end up _____    

[Parazyd]

You're full of it

[Miz4r]

I think it's that creepy low volume weak/flat trend after the dust settles from a boom/bust, which leads into a final capitulation.

Also, China.

China what?

It's getting a bit daft when people say the word "China" without even trying to explain what they are talking about. You could say for example "The news is that China will ban Bitcoin by the end of January" or "We have been reliably informed that Chinese whales are going to dump Bitcoins on America" (both questionable propositions), but just saying "China!" is like saying "The bogeyman's coming!"

China (huobi) leading the price movements is not a good indicator. Either it could be fake, or it could be real and then the chinese government can shut it down. Neither would be good news. I would have much preferred to see a recovery without China.

Yeah and I would have much preferred a recovery back in June/July without MtGox and its withdrawal problems, but ironically it was exactly that which gave the market the momentum it needed to get out of the bear market after April. We just have to deal with these things, and at some point China will become irrelevant like the MtGox problems became irrelevant.

[T.Stuart]

okay crash is delayed, sorry for the inconvenience...

Could possibly be "delayed" for quite some time...

[JorgeStolfi]

Don't forget that ultimately, there will only be ONE coin of each hashing algorithm because of the natural concentration of hashing power and the threat of 51% attacks.

As a currency for global commerce, any criptocoin is in principle as good as any other. All that is needed is a way for customers to change old money for crypto, and a way for merchants to do the oppsite. The choice will depend on secondary factors such as convenience, transaction speed, fees, volatility, etc.

As for investment or speculation, the value of a cryptocoin will depend on its usefulness and scarcity. But if all cryptocoins are equally useful, and their total supply is infinite...

[TERA]

I think it's that creepy low volume weak/flat trend after the dust settles from a boom/bust, which leads into a final capitulation.

Also, China.

China what?

It's getting a bit daft when people say the word "China" without even trying to explain what they are talking about. You could say for example "The news is that China will ban Bitcoin by the end of January" or "We have been reliably informed that Chinese whales are going to dump Bitcoins on America" (both questionable propositions), but just saying "China!" is like saying "The bogeyman's coming!"

China (huobi) leading the price movements is not a good indicator. Either it could be fake, or it could be real and then the chinese government can shut it down. Neither would be good news. I would have much preferred to see a recovery without China.

Yeah and I would have much preferred a recovery back in June/July without MtGox and its withdrawal problems, but ironically it was exactly that which gave the market the momentum it needed to get out of the bear market after April. We just have to deal with these things, and at some point China will become irrelevant like the MtGox problems became irrelevant.

We'll it's not a definite fact that mtgox's withdrawal problems were really what was driving the market in June. That may have just been a convenient conspiracy theory to serve as a cover up while what was really driving the price was bulls accumulating coins and deals being struck with offline investors like SecondMarket etc.

Also, the China situation is not the same as the Mtgox situation. It is not simply a fiat withdrawal problem, but also a fiat deposit problem, and eventually a btc deposit/withdraw problem and a trading problem. It is a problem with their government. If their government acts again, it is likely to cause another panic.

[mellowyellow]

Stamp is the real market leader, even though it doesn't lead the movements immediatelty in real time, it is the fiat entry/exit portal which eventually controls where the price balances itself at.

-Gox: Does not have liquidity, and is mostly bots.

-China: Is becoming irrelevant and is probably entirely fake right now.

-Btce: Is mostly bots, traders, and trolls and has liquidity issues also.

-STAMP: Is where all the fiat enters and exits.

+1

(we really do need a 'like' or 'thanks' button on this forum)

[Miz4r]

China (huobi) leading the price movements is not a good indicator. Either it could be fake, or it could be real and then the chinese government can shut it down. Neither would be good news. I would have much preferred to see a recovery without China.

Yeah and I would have much preferred a recovery back in June/July without MtGox and its withdrawal problems, but ironically it was exactly that which gave the market the momentum it needed to get out of the bear market after April. We just have to deal with these things, and at some point China will become irrelevant like the MtGox problems became irrelevant.

We'll it's not a definite fact that mtgox's withdrawal problems were really what was driving the market in June. That may have just been a convenient conspiracy theory to serve as a cover up while what was really driving the price was bulls accumulating coins and deals being struck with offline investors like SecondMarket etc.

Also, the China situation is not the same as the Mtgox situation. It is not simply a fiat withdrawal problem, but also a fiat deposit problem, and eventually a btc deposit/withdraw problem and a trading problem. It is a problem with their government. If their government acts again, it is likely to cause another panic.

Could be, but still people were afraid to sell their coins on MtGox and there was a huge shortage of supply on the ask side there. Other exchanges were too small and insignificant back then to provide a balancing counterweight. So I think it definitely helped to build the bullish momentum. The situation with China is not that different I think. Yes their government could act again and I'm sure it will cause some more panic, but we simply don't know what's going to happen and while this is going on the market is adapting and slowly but surely the situation in China will become less and less relevant and other things will become more important to watch.

[rpietila]

Meanwhile I feel I want to divulge some trading from Gox. This account was freshly activated in 13.12. and not used for arbitrage, so it reveals some of my actual trading skill:

SELL-1 13.-16.12.                  -379,997      342 097,075   900,26   
BUY-1 17.-18.12.                  554,946      -323 856,498   583,58   -0,351765657
SELL-2 19.-26.12.                  -972,091      713 878,256   734,37   0,258391254

These are the totals/averages. Given the conditions in the buyback phase BUY-1, I think 584 was a reasonable price, resulting in 50% increase of coins. I bought all the way down and my lowest bids were not hit (hence only 324k invested of the 342k sold). The SELL-2 is now a little underwater but I am prepared to sell more, in fact I did sell 200 at an average 815 a couple days ago.

How are the others doing (in the light of figures, not feelings )?

[wachtwoord]

Meanwhile I feel I want to divulge some trading from Gox. This account was freshly activated in 13.12. and not used for arbitrage, so it reveals some of my actual trading skill:

SELL-1 13.-16.12.                  -379,997      342 097,075   900,26   
BUY-1 17.-18.12.                  554,946      -323 856,498   583,58   -0,351765657
SELL-2 19.-26.12.                  -972,091      713 878,256   734,37   0,258391254

These are the totals/averages. Given the conditions in the buyback phase BUY-1, I think 584 was a reasonable price, resulting in 50% increase of coins. I bought all the way down and my lowest bids were not hit (hence only 324k invested of the 342k sold). The SELL-2 is now a little underwater but I am prepared to sell more, in fact I did sell 200 at an average 815 a couple days ago.

How are the others doing (in the light of figures, not feelings )?

Unchanged

[ChartBuddy]

[rpietila]

TL,DR. Sorry for the long post, just putting thoughts into words. Maybe there's something worth reading in there but more likely just incoherent ramblings.

Much appreciated, thank you.

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