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December 30, 2013, 01:36:31 AM
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This explains everything!!!
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December 30, 2013, 01:37:08 AM
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It's higher risk but also higher reward.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if in the next few months we saw LTC hit .1BTC.


I would. That would imply that LTC is 40% of the value of BTC. That's just insane.
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December 30, 2013, 01:40:51 AM
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equilibrium (even with fluctuation) is realistic.

there are somethings that the usd is better for and some things btc is better for. one will not kill off the other any time soon.

500 years from now? sure... gold might be the thing again by then, lol.

Agreed - but let me run this by you, it's been bugging me:


Digital currency - in the form of neutral, non-centralised and trustworthy value transfer systems make sense.

But whether BTC is Myspace and not Facebook, or AltaVista and not Google is a moot point.

Change will come, yes - but Bitcoin is a pioneer and something better could well take advantage of the doors it opens.

A network of P2P value exchange is obviously necessary, but BTC is just showing what is possible, and the coin value is much less relevant than the actual network value (which cannot be bought).

We actually cannot (yet) buy what the value of this idea is, anymore than you can buy shares in the internet.   The real money is in the applications regular people can really use.

They are not there yet, they will be and this will 'make' bitcoin, but to be honest I am beginning to thing the price of a coin is really missing the point of what we are part of and I am seeking ways to invest in applications for this technology, not the coins which flow between the points of its' network.

Philosophical drivel maybe - but I do not here anyone here discussing this kind of 'future' when it seems patently obvious to me that we are not thinking what the applications riding on the network could actually do, and mean for the future.  Not just the 'price' of a coin.

I think what you are highlighting there is the difference between creating wealth and extracting wealth....
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/29/worlds-largest-economies-and-their-future
(not about Bitcoin but interesting in light of both your point and the opportunities which BTC offers.)

  A lot of the big investors (Li KaShing eg) have a similar philosophy.

If a Zimbabwean farmer wants to avoid the devalued 'trillion dollar note' to sell his wares, what if he can trade (via a cell phone) to transfer value cheaply and just GET PAID?

Is he interested in the price of Bitcoin, or what it can do for him? I don't think so.

7 billion people are NOT going to become Bitcoin speculators, but they might use BTC (or its successor) to transmit money, to trade universally and to create a whole new world system of value exchange.

This.  Just this.

Anyone who wants to discuss this would be welcome, as I think we might be all missing the point.

And this is why wall street is not 'in', because you cannot buy the idea, and the coins are ultimately not what it's about.

It's the idea of freedom of exchange - it's so fucking radical..... and we are just playing with speculation, but this is a game-changer for the planet.

How many trillions of dollars traded per milli-second in HST data centres in NY State, but MAYBE the man on the street can escape and be free of the massive manipulation of his world....  by trading for his production directly with the buyer, without a middleman in a suit scalping him.

Revolution.   

And 5 billion people want THIS. I worked in NYC for years, I know manipulation is all about .

Wall street is fucked if the network allows this and billions of tiny transactions will crush their 'master-of-the-universe' world.

I really think we are watching something special happen - but it isn't going to be what this forum is focusing on, it's going to be something completely different.

Mark my words / ignore me - but this is what I am thinking about.  Not TA on next week's price.

I am interested in free-thinking start-ups with game changing plans for the 4.5 billion (plus) people who want to find a way out of corruption / exclusion and disenfranchisement the financial world is offering them now.

Pent up demand?

Yeah.
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December 30, 2013, 01:46:21 AM
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It's higher risk but also higher reward.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if in the next few months we saw LTC hit .1BTC.


I would. That would imply that LTC is 40% of the value of BTC. That's just insane.
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December 30, 2013, 01:51:31 AM
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It's higher risk but also higher reward.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if in the next few months we saw LTC hit .1BTC.


I would. That would imply that LTC is 40% of the value of BTC. That's just insane.

Many new investors think LTC is better than BTC and will once day be worth much more.

No joke...

investors just focus on investing/speculating. they dont really see the whole/real picture.
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December 30, 2013, 01:57:48 AM
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We got movement again.

Is this the last bull trap before capitulation or are we really fueling this train?
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December 30, 2013, 02:02:17 AM
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December 30, 2013, 02:09:04 AM
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It's higher risk but also higher reward.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if in the next few months we saw LTC hit .1BTC.


I would. That would imply that LTC is 40% of the value of BTC. That's just insane.

Many new investors think LTC is better than BTC and will once day be worth much more.

No joke...

investors just focus on investing/speculating. they dont really see the whole/real picture.

they see LTC being faster and not using a closed source encryption method that was made by the NSA, but rather an open source encryption method understood by many.

i know, they might be nuts but still...

what matter is where and how would you be able to use any of your cryptosocalledcoins. BTCs have being far ahead in terms of adoption so imho i doubt that any of those alt coins will ever worth investing in it instead of directly focusing on BTC. first mover is always the winner when it comes to radical innovation.
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December 30, 2013, 02:11:58 AM
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We got movement again.

Is this the last bull trap before capitulation or are we really fueling this train?

$800+ on Gox currently, nice buy orders in the last few hours for decent jump.  I still see this as a bull trap but at some point the train will leave the station and these prices jumps won't always be traps...
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December 30, 2013, 02:28:32 AM
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We got movement again.

Is this the last bull trap before capitulation or are we really fueling this train?

$800+ on Gox currently, nice buy orders in the last few hours for decent jump.  I still see this as a bull trap but at some point the train will leave the station and these prices jumps won't always be traps...

we will probably paint a double top

the bulls are overly confident...

when china falls in <72hour watch out!
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December 30, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
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It's higher risk but also higher reward.  I wouldn't be completely shocked if in the next few months we saw LTC hit .1BTC.


I would. That would imply that LTC is 40% of the value of BTC. That's just insane.

Many new investors think LTC is better than BTC and will once day be worth much more.

No joke...

investors just focus on investing/speculating. they dont really see the whole/real picture.

they see LTC being faster and not using a closed source encryption method that was made by the NSA, but rather an open source encryption method understood by many.

i know, they might be nuts but still...

I'm at least half nuts. Cool
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December 30, 2013, 02:32:14 AM
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Happy New Year Dump, muhahahahah!



Sorry guys, I'll dump some hundreds of thousands bitcoins during the new year night.
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December 30, 2013, 02:35:25 AM
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Happy New Year Dump, muhahahahah!



Sorry guys, I'll dump some hundreds of thousands bitcoins during the new year night.

my savior!
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December 30, 2013, 02:38:50 AM
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my savior!

I'm your freedomizer  Cheesy
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December 30, 2013, 02:41:22 AM
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We got movement again.

Is this the last bull trap before capitulation or are we really fueling this train?

$800+ on Gox currently, nice buy orders in the last few hours for decent jump.  I still see this as a bull trap but at some point the train will leave the station and these prices jumps won't always be traps...

we will probably paint a double top

the bulls are overly confident...

when china falls in <72hour watch out!

I would be so stoked if this actually happens... cheap coins!
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December 30, 2013, 02:41:57 AM
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Happy New Year Dump, muhahahahah!



Sorry guys, I'll dump some hundreds of thousands bitcoins during the new year night.

Can't wait for those cheap coins !

I need to recoup on my x-mas losses.
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my savior!

I like your humor :-)

BTW.:

What's going on with the 800,00$? Raging bulls are tumbling down all walls, like they want to be over 1000,00$ in 1 hour and then we fall thereunder again.

Come on! 850!

we will probably paint a double top

Nothing against cheap coins. But a double top could be drastical. After the recent double top, another could cause paranoia.
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December 30, 2013, 03:02:17 AM
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December 30, 2013, 03:02:46 AM
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850 would be the top in this hypothetical double-top, yes?
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December 30, 2013, 03:09:40 AM
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850 would be the top in this hypothetical double-top, yes?

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