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March 18, 2015, 10:15:06 PM

a bit dumpy today isn't it :|
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March 18, 2015, 10:15:44 PM

Final opportunity to close longs right now above 255! Not a bad deal at all.

Heading towards 220 for the next days.
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March 18, 2015, 10:17:31 PM


Like I posted before, it's these jokers doing it together:

https://www.whaleclub.co/

Fascinating! I haven't seen this before!

Yea they were spotlighted in Coindesk:

http://www.coindesk.com/inside-whale-club-the-trading-room-that-loves-bitcoin-price-declines/


99.99% of the traders in that room are asshole dumpers.
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March 18, 2015, 10:18:52 PM
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There is probably some amount of support somewhere around here:

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March 18, 2015, 10:19:09 PM

...the #1 rule of BTC.  Cool

Maximum dolors for greatest number [of people]?

HODL
 

HODL #1 rule of btc after a ~90% dump and calling other people trolls.

LMAO.
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March 18, 2015, 10:19:32 PM

Doubledigits MY ASS!!
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March 18, 2015, 10:20:13 PM

After a hard fork, as long as both branches survive, there are twice as many bitcoins around.  If you had 100 BTC before the fork, then after the fork you have 100 "Series A" BTC and 100 "Series B" BTC. 
Do you really not understand that when you say 'series A bitcoin' and 'series B bitcoin', you are really saying 'bitcoin', and 'some altcoin'?

It's true that you will have a free supply of 100 units of the alt coin, which may or may not retain value over time, depending on whether anyone continues to mine it - but you will still only have 100 bitcoins - whichever branch eventually establishes itself as the 'real' bitcoin.

Do you really not understand that either series can claim to be the real bitcoin, and that either or both could survive, depending only on political factors?

At the last hard fork, everybody agreed that "Series B" was "the real bitcoin" and "Series A" should be excommunicated and left to die, even though "Series A" was "the real bitcoin" for a while after the fork point.

If a kid creates a hard fork on his laptop, almost certainly every other bitcoiner will consider "Series B" an insignificant altcoin, and continue viewing "Series A" as "the real bitcoin". 

If Gavin does a hard fork to increase the block size, my bet would be that "Series B" will again be accepted as "the real bitcoin"  and "Series A" will quickly die out.  But I do not think that this outcome is totally certain; if Gavin bungles the politics, conceivably "Series B" could be rejected by the community, or there might even be a schism, with Sunnis and Shiites both claiming to have "the real bitcoin".


I do understand that.  At this point, I am pretty sure that you understand why that makes no difference at all, too - but apparently, no amount of reason will deter you from your mission of spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, so have at it.

I would love to at least get some insight into your actual motivations  - but clearly, nothing is being accomplished in this "debate", so I will leave you to it.



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March 18, 2015, 10:22:01 PM

...the #1 rule of BTC.  Cool

Maximum dolors for greatest number [of people]?

HODL
 

HODL #1 rule of btc after a ~90% dump and calling other people trolls.

LMAO.
It's just good that you have a sense of humor. Please don't let your financial situation ever take that away from you.
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March 18, 2015, 10:22:07 PM

I am not sure, but i think you do not understand how the bitcoin network works. Every day we have several "hard forks" in the form of orphaned blocks.

Thanks for the lesson, but I do understand the consensus mechanism, and I know about orphan blocks.  Perhaps I am using the wrong name, but those that you describe are not "hard forks", not even "soft forks", it is just the normal operation of the protocol.  Both the orphans and the winning branch use exactly the same version of the software, and the UTXOs in the orphaned blocks become invalid by definition. 

What I am discussing is a fork of the blockchain where each branch uses a different protocol, and every message is identifiable as belonging to one branch only, and is accepted (or seen) only by clients and miners who are running that version of the protocol.  Blocks before the split are valid under both protocols, but blocks after the split are valid only according to their specific version.  Each transaction request is directed to one branch only; if a client wants to move both clones of his coins to the same address in each chain, he must issue two requests, and they may or may not be accepted independently. 

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you insist that A and B blockchains can coexists - with the same mining power behind them!- for more than say 2 consecutive blocks (on avg 20 minutes), and that they both individually represents bitcoin as per se. No, they do not.

No, that is not at all what I am discussing, see above.

It may be possible to have some "merged mining" scheme where a miner can attempt to mine both chains at the same time.  But I am not considering that possibility. I am assuming that each miner chooses only one of the two branches to work on, by upgrading or not to the appropriate software and/or talking only to the appropriate set of relay nodes.

After a hard fork, there is no automatic "synchronizing" of the two branches (and re-joining them would soon be impossible, even with substantial hackery).

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Your B chain will not ever propagate because: the moment you fork, you also inherit the difficulty of the A chain. That difficulty is so high, that your laptop will practically never finds the next block

Yes, as I said, a hard fork that cannot count on attracting most of the hashpower right away (like that kid's) would also have to lower the difficulty temporarily to ensure a fair block rate, until the automatic adjustment can take over. 

But a hard fork that can muster 25% (say) of the hashpower perhaps could afford having 1 block every 40 minutes for a couple of weeks.  So the difficulty adjustment may not even be necessary.

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if you think that the state of the blockchain is a political decision, you should STOP posting bullshit here please. You do not understand the very basic idea: consensus through mathematical proof independent of central authority ( which is politics...)

At the OP_MUL fork, everyone choose to switch to the new protocol, recommended by Gavin, even though it meant "rewinding" the blockchain and invalidating some deeply-confirmed transactions.  If tried to do a hard fork of my own, surely no one else woud switch.  The difference between the two cases is not in the protocol or mathematics, it is politics.

The good working of the protocol depends heavily on the behavior of its human players, about which nothing can be proved mathematically.  It assumes that a majority of the players will be driven by immediate greed, and therefore would choose alternative X over Y when considering many specific choices that have been considered when designing the protocol.  However, that assumption is not certain, and the possible situations and choices that the players may face is not bounded.

We are already seeing some situations and choices that may not have been foreseen.  For example, the transaction fees being insignificant compared to the block reward, and some powerful miners apparently choosing to mine empty of half-full blocks rather than full ones. 
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March 18, 2015, 10:23:03 PM

Get out now. Good luck.

EDIT: price right now is $289 at stamp. For future reference.

Well told ya guys Cheesy greed gets u broke.
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March 18, 2015, 10:24:33 PM

Get out now. Good luck.

EDIT: price right now is $289 at stamp. For future reference.

Get out of what?  Cash?

Now is a good time to go all in BTC. 

Wrong..again. But keep praying to your God to make you rich Smiley
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March 18, 2015, 10:26:52 PM

Now is a good time to go all in BTC. 
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/


Not even trolling.
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March 18, 2015, 10:27:09 PM


Like I posted before, it's these jokers doing it together:

https://www.whaleclub.co/

Fascinating! I haven't seen this before!

Nah, most of those guys are relatively small fish from the reddit brigade. From my observations it's likely a small group of unrelated individuals with professional market experience, deep pockets and pretty sophisticated bots. You wanted Wall Street, well they are here and are shaking the market for all it's worth!
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March 18, 2015, 10:29:39 PM

Get out now. Good luck.

EDIT: price right now is $289 at stamp. For future reference.

Get out of what?  Cash?

Now is a good time to go all in BTC. 

Wrong..again. But keep praying to your God to make you rich Smiley

False dichotomy - it's the USD that's based on fallacies like religion. "In God we trust"

Lol @ u m8
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March 18, 2015, 10:33:00 PM

Still going to the moon ?  Roll Eyes
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March 18, 2015, 10:34:10 PM

Is btc-e hacked Huh look at this transaction : https://blockchain.info/fr/address/1LUbmdd4NLg8GoFrFY1L4cR5FeAmArDGvd
also did it affect my account balance ??
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March 18, 2015, 10:35:30 PM

...the #1 rule of BTC.  Cool

Maximum dolors for greatest number [of people]?

HODL
 

HODL #1 rule of btc after a ~90% dump and calling other people trolls.

LMAO.
It's just good that you have a sense of humor. Please don't let your financial situation ever take that away from you.

Don't worry about my humour or my financial situation. All the way down was for me as nearly profit yielding as all the way up. If this sucker drops below ~100 (what it certainly will) it will be even more profitable than the whole bubble before.

For my humour I even care less, Permabulls are maintaining my humour  Cheesy

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March 18, 2015, 10:35:50 PM

Get out now. Good luck.

EDIT: price right now is $289 at stamp. For future reference.

Get out of what?  Cash?

Now is a good time to go all in BTC. 

Wrong..again. But keep praying to your God to make you rich Smiley

False dichotomy - it's the USD that's based on fallacies like religion. "In God we trust"

Lol @ u m8

lol @ me m8! You caught me with my pants down Smiley I'm so stupid, so very stoopid. Im sorry.
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March 18, 2015, 10:35:57 PM

dump is NOT over  Cool
Watch... Shocked
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March 18, 2015, 10:36:16 PM

Is btc-e hacked Huh look at this transaction : https://blockchain.info/fr/address/1LUbmdd4NLg8GoFrFY1L4cR5FeAmArDGvd
also did it affect my account balance ??

Yes, hacked and robbed. Thieves announced that they are going to market sell all of them on kraken and quadricagxcx in the next 2 hours.
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