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October 25, 2015, 01:01:57 PM

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True, MMM ponzi only uses BTC, Just like the Bitcoin ponzi itself.
And Bitcointalk.org also promotes MMM, see here,
It's turtles all the way down Smiley

You link to something from 2012 then claim it's the cause of the BTC rise now when you would have to be completely brain dead to believe that.  Better luck with your next conspiracy theory and have fun with your failed short at $250.  I bet you're staring at the screen sweating right now lol.
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October 25, 2015, 01:08:52 PM

You link to something from 2012 then claim it's the cause of the BTC rise now when you would have to be completely brain dead to believe that.

Sergey ran several iterations of the MMM ponzi, this is a new one. ...giving you an opportunity to get in on the ground floor.  MMM is gonna happen with or without you, so buy now or cry later.
I'm all in and accumulating every chance I get.
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October 25, 2015, 01:28:36 PM

What the hell is going on? I woke up, switched on my computer, checked bitcoinwisdom and I couldn't believe the charts I was seeing.
Any specific trigger the last few hours? Is the space ship finally taking off?  Cheesy Wink
No no of course this is great but let's see how far it goes.I learned not to get too excited over the last year.I hope the baby is not going up full throttle.3rd gear would be ok for now.

If the rise is indeed due to MMM's "Republic of Bitcoin" ponzi, it may continue for a while, unfortunately. Mavrodi's previous scams are estimated to have moved 10 billion dollars.  Turnout was 50 million dollars per day at one point -- 50 times what bitcoin miners are sucking from bitcoin buyers at present. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_(Ponzi_scheme_company)

Something tells me that the Bitcoin Alliance, created to cleanse bitcoin space from criminals and scammers, will pretend not to see that one.

By the way, note that 50 people committed suicide when MMM finally collapsed.

Imagine the thousands of people that commit suicide when the Social Security ponzi scheme collapses.
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October 25, 2015, 01:42:05 PM

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Imagine the thousands of people that commit suicide when the Social Security ponzi scheme collapses.
As a bitcoin entrepreneur, I'm not willing to patiently wait for that happy day.
We must all do our part: Bitcoin has already enabled us to steal from the elderly Smiley
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October 25, 2015, 01:57:16 PM

May you all go broke, and burn in hell...

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October 25, 2015, 01:58:02 PM

1910 yuans at OKCOIN and increasing slowly.

the day is the bitcoin day.
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October 25, 2015, 01:58:34 PM

You link to something from 2012 then claim it's the cause of the BTC rise now when you would have to be completely brain dead to believe that.

Sergey ran several iterations of the MMM ponzi, this is a new one. ...giving you an opportunity to get in on the ground floor.  MMM is gonna happen with or without you, so buy now or cry later.
I'm all in and accumulating every chance I get.

Just went to the store and bought a case of MMs. I'm gonna dump them before the scheme crashes. When do you think that will happen?
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October 25, 2015, 02:00:47 PM

Volume in BUY is ... awesome.

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October 25, 2015, 02:01:51 PM

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October 25, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

Sunday is the day when all random slobs wake up and look at the BTC price once per week and say, "wtf, is this shit going to the moon? do I need to buy now? omg mortgaging house"
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October 25, 2015, 02:07:01 PM

You link to something from 2012 then claim it's the cause of the BTC rise now when you would have to be completely brain dead to believe that.

Sergey ran several iterations of the MMM ponzi, this is a new one. ...giving you an opportunity to get in on the ground floor.  MMM is gonna happen with or without you, so buy now or cry later.
I'm all in and accumulating every chance I get.

Just went to the store and bought a case of MMs. I'm gonna dump them before the scheme crashes. When do you think that will happen?

Did you mean M&M's? Because that funny joke!
No, MMM Republic of Bitcoin to providing you with astounding passive income while make strong political statement, like Bitcoin.

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October 25, 2015, 02:07:28 PM

there is no resistance on the way up to 2000 cny. we are going to chooo chooo mf! Cheesy
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October 25, 2015, 02:17:06 PM

Imagine the thousands of people that commit suicide when the Social Security ponzi scheme collapses.

That is true.  When the bankers forced Italy to cut pensions, there were two or three pensioner suicides per day. And the same thing occurred in Greece, when it was their turn.

Many millions died in WW! and in WW!!. And many in the bubonic plague epidemics of the middle ages, and many of the Spanish infuenza. 

... So? Dos that make scams less obectionable?

How many ponzi schemes were build on dollars? The original scam by  Charles Ponzi was based on stamps. Are stamps bad? You can't blame Bitcoin for the actions of the people who use it. It's a tool that can be used for good or evil.

Bitcoin makes the MMM scam global and more difficult to stop (and adds bitcoin's own pyramid on top of it). 

The Russian government was almost useless in stopping Sergei's previous Russian scam, but it did eventually put him in jail for a couple of years.  Now that he uses bitcoins, who is going to catch and prosecute him? How can his gains be confiscated and returned to the victims?

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The Real on the other hand is a scam that everyone in your country is FORCED to participate in. 

The tiny difference is that no one is trying to convince Brazilians to "invest" their money in reals; quite the opposite.  And no one is promising that the real will "go to the moon" -- like Andreessen, Silbert, the Winkles, and all other bitcoin peddlers are doing.

It's hilarious Stolfi is trying to claim Bitcoin is rising due to a Russian criminal that's running some kind of Ponzi scam.  The scam doesn't even have anything to do with Bitcoin, he just accepts Bitcoin as payment, and it's already existed for like 3 years.

I don't know for how long he has been accepting bitcoin; but I only heard of it now.  From the pages that I have seen, the scam is now called "Republic of Bitcoin" and only uses bitcoin. 

If it has always been like that, Itshould have been mentioned in the forums before. Was it?

I did see mention of a South African pyramid scam that at some point told its members to send bitcoins to the organizers with some excuse.  (I don't know how it ended; an exit scam was expected), But I don't recall any mention of it being connected to Sergei.

As I noted, Sergei's previous scams moved 10 billion dollars, which is 2.5 times bitcoin's entire market cap; and that was actual money, whereas the market cap is only an accounting fiction.  At one point, the scam turned 50 million USD per day, or 50 times the bitcoin miners' revenue.  So, a ponzi on that scale, that requires people to buy bitcoin in order to play, could easily explain this rise, and more.

Bobby lee of BTC-China was the first to attribute the surge in Chinese trading volume to some pyramid scam that used bitcoin; although he did not refer to MMM specifically. 


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October 25, 2015, 02:19:58 PM

Expecting the building of a plateau at ~$325 for the rest of the year. Before that (if enough sellers!) set-back to $255 easily possible.
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October 25, 2015, 02:23:20 PM

Many millions died in WW! and in WW!!. And many in the bubonic plague epidemics of the middle ages, and many of the Spanish infuenza. 

... So? Dos that make scams less obectionable?

it makes your wishing we all burn in hell seem a bit hypocritical when the connection between any individual here and MMM is about the same as that between you and any ills committed by the Brazilian government.
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October 25, 2015, 02:25:49 PM

How many people committed suicide (or were thrown back into abject, inescapable poverty) when the Brazilian command and control fiat monetary system last collapsed (for the umpteenth time in a row)??

Why do you bring that up whenever bitcoin's faults and miseries are pointed out?  Do you think that somehow bitcoin will be a better monetary system than the Venezuelan bolivar or the Zimbabwean dollar?  Do you think that it will end economic exploitation of the poor by the rich?  Looking at its history and economy, I see no reason to expect those things.  Why are you so sure that the 21 million limit will never be lifted, or that there will never be a negative interest tax on blockchain accounts?  Why are you so sure that it will not be superseded by some other cryptoscam in a few years time?

We can't even manage to lift the 1 mb blocksize cap and you think it's possible to increase the 21 M limit? 

I mean it's not impossible, but if the block size controversy is any indication, it would take years and then there would be plenty of time to bail before it happens.

There seems to be a basic economic principle that some people just can't seem to comprehend or accept: CAPITAL IS MOBILE.  Wealth flows from areas where it is less free to areas where it is more free.  It always has and always will.  This is a good thing. If capital wasn't mobile, we'd all be slaves.
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October 25, 2015, 02:27:33 PM

Looking at the charts and the Stamp wall makes me think we are either going to retest the previous high around 318 very shortly or go back down to the 275-280 level to reload. I am hoping the latter just so we can have a healthier rise. I am not planning on buying or selling any of these targets.

The Stamp wall is looking less impressive at these levels so a rise through that heavy ask side needs to be led by some other exchange.
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October 25, 2015, 02:28:41 PM

BitcoinInternet makes the MMM scam global and more difficult to stop. 


The tiny difference is that no one .gov is trying to convince Brazilians to "invest" their money in reals; quite the oppositeAnd no one is promising that the real will "go to the moon" -- like Andreessen, Silbert, the Winkles, and all other bitcoin peddlers are doing.
2 years and 7k posts later, stolfi still knows nothing. Well invested time.
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October 25, 2015, 02:32:32 PM

BitcoinInternet makes the MMM scam global and more difficult to stop. 


The tiny difference is that no one .gov is trying to convince Brazilians to "invest" their money in reals; quite the oppositeAnd no one is promising that the real will "go to the moon" -- like Andreessen, Silbert, the Winkles, and all other bitcoin peddlers are doing.
2 years and 7k posts later, stolfi still knows nothing. Well invested time.

Why you Bit-coin warriors so angry all time?

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October 25, 2015, 02:57:32 PM

china is going crazy, i think it's time to go long, at least short term
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