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[noobtrader]

I wonder if  "second layer solution" is another name for masternode like dash

if so i agree 100% it was awesome, even if btc masternode owner get only the tx fee or something in return. it would be awesome.

[bargainbin]

did the ETH devs say they would allow it to scale?

Currently, it scales much worse than Bitcoin (no big wonder, with full-blown Turing-complete language on blockchain). Half-year into existence, its blockchain already approaching 10GB and growing fast. There is some vague handwaving about future "sharding" and whatnot, but realistically, its chain will be much bigger than Bitcoin's, and it'll happen pretty soon. Interesting to see how they'll cope with their own scaling crisis.

I'm new to all this, but how come Bitcoin can't scale, and its price keeps going down, but ETH can't scale & the price just keeps going up (+6.49% just the past 24 hrs.)
This is all so confusing

[billyjoeallen]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733

Is this accurate? F2Pool.com backing out of consensus roundtable agreement?

i don't understand how Adam Back trying to distance himself away from Blockstream cheats F2Pool, or as any bearing on the consensus.

and that users trust rating says  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=16114

He is threatening to DDOS Kanos pool and is scamming his miners and not verifying and building on blocks from kanos pool, he says it himself in his posts, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13204430#msg13204430

Tried to extort Discus Fish (F2Pool) for 2 BTC (via DDoS attack).

correction that ^  was a sent Feedback.

no idea but doesn't seem very legit.

hmmm is F2Pool speaking for all its clients when it says that.

It has the bearing that if Back's support of the agreement is his own or is representative of Blockstream's support. It gives BS wiggle room to renegotiate terms it thinks is better (renege).  If this as a real report, that is. If F2Pool backs out (and I'm not sure why they would), it makes it more likely the agreement will fall apart.

[adamstgBit]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733

Is this accurate? F2Pool.com backing out of consensus roundtable agreement?

i don't understand how Adam Back trying to distance himself away from Blockstream cheats F2Pool, or as any bearing on the consensus.

and that users trust rating says  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=16114

He is threatening to DDOS Kanos pool and is scamming his miners and not verifying and building on blocks from kanos pool, he says it himself in his posts, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13204430#msg13204430

Tried to extort Discus Fish (F2Pool) for 2 BTC (via DDoS attack).

correction that ^  was a sent Feedback.

no idea but doesn't seem very legit.

hmmm is F2Pool speaking for all its clients when it says that.

It has the bearing that if Back's support of the agreement is his own or is representative of Blockstream's support. It gives BS wiggle room to renegotiate terms it thinks is better (renege).  If this as a real report, that is. If F2Pool backs out (and I'm not sure why they would), it makes it more likely the agreement will fall apart.

ya F2Pool  backing out would make the agreement fall apart, then its back to square one.
i can't blame them for being mad at Blockstream, and now demand Clear support from them or else.

and now look at this : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43bgrs/peter_todd_sw_is_not_safe_as_a_softfork/

at this point if F2Pool and the rest of the miner are ready for a change of government so am I.

it might be preferable to do this now, rather than later...

[billyjoeallen]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733

Is this accurate? F2Pool.com backing out of consensus roundtable agreement?

i don't understand how Adam Back trying to distance himself away from Blockstream cheats F2Pool, or as any bearing on the consensus.

and that users trust rating says  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=16114

He is threatening to DDOS Kanos pool and is scamming his miners and not verifying and building on blocks from kanos pool, he says it himself in his posts, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13204430#msg13204430

Tried to extort Discus Fish (F2Pool) for 2 BTC (via DDoS attack).

correction that ^  was a sent Feedback.

no idea but doesn't seem very legit.

hmmm is F2Pool speaking for all its clients when it says that.

It has the bearing that if Back's support of the agreement is his own or is representative of Blockstream's support. It gives BS wiggle room to renegotiate terms it thinks is better (renege).  If this as a real report, that is. If F2Pool backs out (and I'm not sure why they would), it makes it more likely the agreement will fall apart.

ya F2Pool  backing out would make the agreement fall apart, then its back to square one.
i can't blame them for being mad at Blockstream, and now demand Clear support from them or else.

and now look at this : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43bgrs/peter_todd_sw_is_not_safe_as_a_softfork/

at this point if F2Pool and the rest of the miner are ready for a change of government so am I.

it might be preferable to do this now, rather than later...

I completely agree, but there's no way that will happen without a market crash.  Elections are a scary new thing to the Chinese.

[adamstgBit]

fing hell, this is such hell, just when you think things might start moving again BAM peter todd block's the stream

[adamstgBit]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733

Is this accurate? F2Pool.com backing out of consensus roundtable agreement?

i don't understand how Adam Back trying to distance himself away from Blockstream cheats F2Pool, or as any bearing on the consensus.

and that users trust rating says  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=16114

He is threatening to DDOS Kanos pool and is scamming his miners and not verifying and building on blocks from kanos pool, he says it himself in his posts, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13204430#msg13204430

Tried to extort Discus Fish (F2Pool) for 2 BTC (via DDoS attack).

correction that ^  was a sent Feedback.

no idea but doesn't seem very legit.

hmmm is F2Pool speaking for all its clients when it says that.

It has the bearing that if Back's support of the agreement is his own or is representative of Blockstream's support. It gives BS wiggle room to renegotiate terms it thinks is better (renege).  If this as a real report, that is. If F2Pool backs out (and I'm not sure why they would), it makes it more likely the agreement will fall apart.

ya F2Pool  backing out would make the agreement fall apart, then its back to square one.
i can't blame them for being mad at Blockstream, and now demand Clear support from them or else.

and now look at this : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43bgrs/peter_todd_sw_is_not_safe_as_a_softfork/

at this point if F2Pool and the rest of the miner are ready for a change of government so am I.

it might be preferable to do this now, rather than later...

I completely agree, but there's no way that will happen without a market crash.  Elections are a scary new thing to the Chinese.

won't be much of an Election tho, the miners and coinbase are ready and willing to jump to classic at a moment's notice it seems.

I'd give'm a medal for trying so hard to keep the peace... and i'll support them whatever they deiced.

none of this kinda shit happend with Gavin.

[adamstgBit]

[bitebits]

So, no answer at all on the mixing? anyone? Just wondering 'cuz you know, blocks are pretty full. [...] anybody know how I can get my hands on some altcoin?

Yes. You buy some bitcoin and then you transfer them to (oh, wait...).

On a serious note. I agree and am worried that anonymity / fungibility becomes even a bigger issue when fees rise. It decreases the incentive to mix. Perfect for prying eyes that would like to know where you buy your coffees (oh, wait...).

[billyjoeallen]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733

Is this accurate? F2Pool.com backing out of consensus roundtable agreement?

i don't understand how Adam Back trying to distance himself away from Blockstream cheats F2Pool, or as any bearing on the consensus.

and that users trust rating says  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=16114

He is threatening to DDOS Kanos pool and is scamming his miners and not verifying and building on blocks from kanos pool, he says it himself in his posts, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13204430#msg13204430

Tried to extort Discus Fish (F2Pool) for 2 BTC (via DDoS attack).

correction that ^  was a sent Feedback.

no idea but doesn't seem very legit.

hmmm is F2Pool speaking for all its clients when it says that.

It has the bearing that if Back's support of the agreement is his own or is representative of Blockstream's support. It gives BS wiggle room to renegotiate terms it thinks is better (renege).  If this as a real report, that is. If F2Pool backs out (and I'm not sure why they would), it makes it more likely the agreement will fall apart.

ya F2Pool  backing out would make the agreement fall apart, then its back to square one.
i can't blame them for being mad at Blockstream, and now demand Clear support from them or else.

and now look at this : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43bgrs/peter_todd_sw_is_not_safe_as_a_softfork/

at this point if F2Pool and the rest of the miner are ready for a change of government so am I.

it might be preferable to do this now, rather than later...

I completely agree, but there's no way that will happen without a market crash.  Elections are a scary new thing to the Chinese.

won't be much of an Election tho, the miners and coinbase are ready and willing to jump to classic at a moment's notice it seems.

I'd give'm a medal for trying so hard to keep the peace... and i'll support them whatever they deiced.

none of this kinda shit happend with Gavin.

I agree. I'd take Gavin back in a heartbeat, but the miner's will have to pay a price for dropping support for Core, considering their recent strong statements to stick with them no matter what.  They will get Core FUD, but more importantly they will get investors and speculators wondering if they don't know what they're doing.

And there is evidence Chinese miners DON'T know what they are doing. All additional hashpower being added there is producing negative security returns in an insane greedy rush that at least RESEMBLES a race to the bottom.

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[adamstgBit]

[adamstgBit]

[bargainbin]

... the miner's will have to pay a price for dropping support for Core, considering their recent strong statements to stick with them no matter what. ...

Wait, am I understanding you correctly? This handshake deal is really falling apart?

[adamstgBit]

[billyjoeallen]

... the miner's will have to pay a price for dropping support for Core, considering their recent strong statements to stick with them no matter what. ...

Wait, am I understanding you correctly? This handshake deal is really falling apart?

I was asking a question. This could be misinformation for all I know. I don't what to start any rumors.  

EDIT:
AB put his title back on the Agreement:

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.z6255vhzr

This was likely not an accidental omission corrected but a response to F2Pool's threat.  

[bargainbin]

^Sorry, just surprised by how much people read into a nonbinding agreement that was also wide-open to interpretation.

[becoin]

Bitcoin Core 0.12 is officially released. I'm glad I can now ban the few 'classic' nodes that try to promote bitcoin altcoin fork.

[adamstgBit]

Bitcoin Core 0.12 is officially released. I'm glad I can now ban the few 'classic' nodes that try to promote bitcoin altcoin fork.

wow Core is on the offensive.

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