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[marcus_of_augustus]

21 guns, lay down your arms, give up the fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcOK_YATp6U

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

...
such a whiner when it comes down to it ... you can't handle the truth ...

yeah, well...


how'm I doin'?

Great. Eternal bloody damnation. This is exactly what I didn't need.

[adamstgBit]

i can't fucking believe it.

HELLO altcoins

have you heard about bitcoin, and the war going on with classic vs core??? O_o?

Yes, we are watching. 

LOL

[marcus_of_augustus]

the classic american idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BS7XnEZqc

[billyjoeallen]

the classic american idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BS7XnEZqc

Don't forget the moosehumpers. We're in this together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M

[marcus_of_augustus]

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Why would a governance change be appropriate?

Loss of market share? check.

Loss of six year logarithmic uptrend in price? Check

Gridlock in decision-making? check.

Loss of essential properties such as decentralization, anonymity, sufficient capacity and censorship resistance? check

What more do we fucking need?  How is it not obvious that this is a full-on, five alarm clusterfuck?

so it was always about governance? you big blocker shills have been led on a merry dance of lies, useful idiots in a coup attempt, just admit it.

Does that mean you don't think it's a clusterfuck or that you do but don't care?

bitcoin is unaware of your socialist clusterfecks and human induced conflicts ... in the last 24 hours it processed 215k TX worth $1.2 billion in the most borderless, censorship-resistant, cheapest and secure method on the planet.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

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Why would a governance change be appropriate?

Loss of market share? check.

Loss of six year logarithmic uptrend in price? Check

Gridlock in decision-making? check.

Loss of essential properties such as decentralization, anonymity, sufficient capacity and censorship resistance? check

What more do we fucking need?  How is it not obvious that this is a full-on, five alarm clusterfuck?

so it was always about governance? you big blocker shills have been led on a merry dance of lies, useful idiots in a coup attempt, just admit it.

Does that mean you don't think it's a clusterfuck or that you do but don't care?

bitcoin is unaware of your socialist clusterfecks and human induced conflicts ... in the last 24 hours it processed 215k TX worth $1.2 billion in the most borderless, censorship-resistant, cheapest and secure method on the planet.

Adam? Say it ain't so?

[marcus_of_augustus]

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Why would a governance change be appropriate?

Loss of market share? check.

Loss of six year logarithmic uptrend in price? Check

Gridlock in decision-making? check.

Loss of essential properties such as decentralization, anonymity, sufficient capacity and censorship resistance? check

What more do we fucking need?  How is it not obvious that this is a full-on, five alarm clusterfuck?

so it was always about governance? you big blocker shills have been led on a merry dance of lies, useful idiots in a coup attempt, just admit it.

[blunderer]

^Good. Good.
@BMB: don't quote that troll plz.

[marcus_of_augustus]

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I need ideas

what kind of indicators would be useful to you for bitcoin trading from the shill drama?

shill post vs total posts on the board?

doing a kind of shill posting analyzing tool

yes, please start doing something like this ... i use anecdotals already and pretty sure that shill posting is timed with manipulative market dumps, perhpas pumps also.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

^Good. Good.
@BMB: don't quote that troll plz.

But deleting posts is for faggots. Innit tho?

[marcus_of_augustus]

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if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.

I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

I blurt shit out when i'm stressed and angry.

people are angry because they are coming to the realisation that we are all small blockers now 

first it was wtf 20MB is fine!, then ok mebbe 8MB is coolest ... now it is 'pretty please can we haz 2MB?' ... the big blockers stuffed up when they didn't show support for BIP 103 (20% increase per annum starting in Jan 16), now they have created enough noise and contention that 2MB is a 'big deal'.

[billyjoeallen]

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Why would a governance change be appropriate?

Loss of market share? check.

Loss of six year logarithmic uptrend in price? Check

Gridlock in decision-making? check.

Loss of essential properties such as decentralization, anonymity, sufficient capacity and censorship resistance? check

What more do we fucking need?  How is it not obvious that this is a full-on, five alarm clusterfuck?

so it was always about governance? you big blocker shills have been led on a merry dance of lies, useful idiots in a coup attempt, just admit it.

Does that mean you don't think it's a clusterfuck or that you do but don't care?

bitcoin is unaware of your socialist clusterfecks and human induced conflicts ... in the last 24 hours it processed 215k TX worth $1.2 billion in the most borderless, censorship-resistant, cheapest and secure method on the planet.

Bitcoin is the leper with the most toes. Clearly worrying about it's health is fearmongering. Is that your best argument?

[marcus_of_augustus]

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i'm fighting fire with fire now.

you are going to start throwing jalapenos instead of tomatoes?

[Cconvert2G36]

Knock it off adam. Censorship is lame, and petty... no need to stoop to their level with superior ideas on your side.

The ragequit + keccak (candidate code is ready) PoW change can't come soon enough. 1MB4EVA will be plenty for their "censorship" free, rasb pi & LJR internet compatible settlement coin...

[I hope everyone noticed that BitUsher didn't come back to expound on his complete lack of knowledge about how mining works today...]

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Adam is evil now too. Just like Theymos and everybody.

I'd like to invite you to my totally mostly unmoderated discussion thread. We must fork away from Adam's tyranny. NOW!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376932.msg14011850#msg14011850
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376932.msg14011850#msg14011850
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376932.msg14011850#msg14011850

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[JayJuanGee]

It seems to be much better for bitcoin to grow slowly and also much better not to be too rash in attempts to change governance...

I'm curious how bad/urgent a problem would have to be before you thought a change in governance was appropriate.

Maybe to the extent to which governance is broken, is a problem that has recently been attempted to be created.

Maybe yes, maybe no. It is certainly possible that the governance issue is being used as a vehicle to promote some other political agenda.

The way to find out is the separate the issue from others and see whether a change in governance, by itself, and without the baggage of simultaneously proposing immediate changes to the software or chain rules, has any support.

Call for a vote of no confidence in Wladimir? I'm down.

There is no way to hold such a vote because the existing project organization has no governance rules that would allow it. To change the governance procedure, you have to fork the project and propose a new organization with different governance rules (and get support otherwise you are forking nothing but your own mind), but that doesn't mean you have to fork the chain.

how can blockstream fail? the game is rigged. lol

such a whiner when it comes down to it ... you can't handle the truth ... "the game is rigged, please make them stop wah, wah" ... wait i need to delete some more truthiness before I look too stoopid.

it is really offensive to all the Core devs who have built this thing for free mostly (what did you do exactly?!) that you think blockstream can dictate.

you crassic lusers are such whiner lusers ... maybe time to just piss off and join Hearn if you don't like the rules or haven't got anything better to add??

I whine because i care.
but you're right at this point we should all just fork off...
i do believe thats what we are leading up too
there may be no avoiding it

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

I mean, really?

You are suggesting that it is not changing how you want it to, but really nothing is broken.. except some people whining that they want change faster than core is willing to accomplish it...

change is still happening, but the xt and classic supporters are just saying that they want change faster and more.. blah blah blah..   but it is not necessary...

So, why keep whining and whining and whining... it's not really helping, because there is already a list of plans that are in place that are continuing to be discussed but seemingly and apparently sufficiently adequate for the time being.

[adamstgBit]

It seems to be much better for bitcoin to grow slowly and also much better not to be too rash in attempts to change governance...

I'm curious how bad/urgent a problem would have to be before you thought a change in governance was appropriate.

Maybe to the extent to which governance is broken, is a problem that has recently been attempted to be created.

Maybe yes, maybe no. It is certainly possible that the governance issue is being used as a vehicle to promote some other political agenda.

The way to find out is the separate the issue from others and see whether a change in governance, by itself, and without the baggage of simultaneously proposing immediate changes to the software or chain rules, has any support.

Call for a vote of no confidence in Wladimir? I'm down.

There is no way to hold such a vote because the existing project organization has no governance rules that would allow it. To change the governance procedure, you have to fork the project and propose a new organization with different governance rules (and get support otherwise you are forking nothing but your own mind), but that doesn't mean you have to fork the chain.

how can blockstream fail? the game is rigged. lol

such a whiner when it comes down to it ... you can't handle the truth ... "the game is rigged, please make them stop wah, wah" ... wait i need to delete some more truthiness before I look too stoopid.

it is really offensive to all the Core devs who have built this thing for free mostly (what did you do exactly?!) that you think blockstream can dictate.

you crassic lusers are such whiner lusers ... maybe time to just piss off and join Hearn if you don't like the rules or haven't got anything better to add??

I whine because i care.
but you're right at this point we should all just fork off...
i do believe thats what we are leading up too
there may be no avoiding it

It's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

I mean, really?

You are suggesting that it is not changing how you want it to, but really nothing is broken.. except some people whining that they want change faster than core is willing to accomplish it...

change is still happening, but the xt and classic supporters are just saying that they want change faster and more.. blah blah blah..   but it is not necessary...

So, why keep whining and whining and whining... it's not really helping, because there is already a list of plans that are in place that are continuing to be discussed but seemingly and apparently sufficiently adequate for the time being.

wtv man this thread remains unanswered https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376895.msg14008780#new
no one wants to admit it
we are leading up to war...

[JayJuanGee]

one of my posts was deleted from this thread too... , recently.

 I kind of  assumed that it was NOT  Adam who deleted it... but I could not be for sure..

the post seemed pretty benign...

[Cconvert2G36]

Interestingly, through these posts I've discovered all my deleted posts have NOT [that's 4U JJG] been deleted by adam... so far. Too bad the only indication I have of the culprit is:

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