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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
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February 26, 2016, 06:34:57 AM


Why?   I am talking substance here responding to your various points (that you snipped out).
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February 26, 2016, 06:36:00 AM

Everyone are arguing about the block size of a gimmicky currency. And I'm just sitting here.. making money on the smooth swings of the ETH market. It's currently probably better to keep away from buying ETH for a couple of days, but I will surely buy back. I truly like this market.
The bitcoin community is out of original and innovative ideas for development, so they spend their time quarreling about issues that should be solved much quicker. This is just slow and boring.
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February 26, 2016, 06:38:30 AM

responding to adam's asserted agreement about segwit and 2mb blocksize limits "now".

what i meant is:
for now,i am happy with segwit ASAP + 2MB in about a year.
only because segwit is apparently the fastest way for a block increase and thats all i really want. i want more blockspace asap and i don't care how it gets done, and then i want the blocks to get bigger and bigger and bigger, until it breaks the internet.

That's fair enough.  


I did technically sparse your words a bit to emphasize the "now" portion of what you had said... hahahahahaha...

Seg wit is probably going to be amazing... but I doubt that it is going to get rid of the fud.. and probably, there are going to be a few unexpected implementation issues... I mean, this kind of thing is dealing with money and value and is not going to just come off seamless....

what, passing a battery of tests != safe impl.  Huh     lol!  of course not...

with so many lines of code, segwit is a little dangerous... it's hard to say what holes it could potentially create without knowing wtf segwit is.

we must TRUST our devs.

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February 26, 2016, 06:40:58 AM

JayJuanGee, now you are the one that is going bonkers.


Maybe it is like a contagious disease... ?   

If you cured yours, then maybe you can suggest some remedy for some of us other folks who may catch it?

My suggestion would be for the BTC price to add $100, so that would be approximately $522.04, as I type.... I believe that kind of price movement could cure several of us of our blocksize limit discussion, at least temporarily.. until the price dumps back down to $444.

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February 26, 2016, 06:41:50 AM

Everyone are arguing about the block size of a gimmicky currency. And I'm just sitting here.. making money on the smooth swings of the ETH market. It's currently probably better to keep away from buying ETH for a couple of days, but I will surely buy back. I truly like this market.
The bitcoin community is out of original and innovative ideas for development, so they spend their time quarreling about issues that should be solved much quicker. This is just slow and boring.

ya that project doesn't sound like it hurtling super fast towards a huge bug that kills it... nope.
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February 26, 2016, 06:43:59 AM

No TA-ta-tas in the the last 5+ pages, so this thread can suck me off ad infinitum and it wouldn't do shit for me. Can someone stand up and give us a decent standpoint besides the relentless Bull (capital) S w/ a hit that is going on here? Good grief. Before you say it, shut your face.

Vote Trump and stfu where no legit TA is up in here. do something positive and make a call.
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February 26, 2016, 06:48:56 AM

No TA-ta-tas in the the last 5+ pages, so this thread can suck me off ad infinitum and it wouldn't do shit for me. Can someone stand up and give us a decent standpoint besides the relentless Bull (capital) s w/ a hit that is going on here? Good grief. Before you say it, shut your face.
huh?
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February 26, 2016, 06:59:09 AM

i hate bitcoin because its 2:00am again.
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February 26, 2016, 07:01:20 AM

Everyone are arguing about the block size of a gimmicky currency. And I'm just sitting here.. making money on the smooth swings of the ETH market. It's currently probably better to keep away from buying ETH for a couple of days, but I will surely buy back. I truly like this market.
The bitcoin community is out of original and innovative ideas for development, so they spend their time quarreling about issues that should be solved much quicker. This is just slow and boring.

ya that project doesn't sound like it hurtling super fast towards a huge bug that kills it... nope.

The world would be a better place if a serious bug would kill bitcoin. Everyone who have been stuck on this dead coin for years already would be freed from their unhealthy addiction. All the wealth that is tied down in this stagnant system could flow into more potential and dynamic endeavours. The development of cryptography based financial solutions would speed up and finally we could see truly practical tools.
Financial services would become cheaper, prices would drop, salaries would rise, outer space would be explored, the lives of countless puppies and kittens would be saved..
Vote for a better future, vote for the death of bitcoin!
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Do you really want me to? Ok here you go: first they ignore you, then ...
I lol'ed btw Smiley.
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February 26, 2016, 07:19:03 AM

I wouldn't be overly shocked to see $450's in the near future.
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February 26, 2016, 07:25:58 AM
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JayJuanGee, now you are the one that is going bonkers.

Geez, you're slow.

Oh, and congratulations with your stint as ruthless dictator. Gave me a lol.
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February 26, 2016, 07:35:37 AM

I wouldn't be overly shocked to see $450's in the near future.

Long and strong.

Desperate much  Huh

Not so strong i'd say!
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February 26, 2016, 08:00:55 AM

In a few months 12.5 BTC of subsidy will be cut. Can we have 330mb of extra block space to compensate with 1 cent fee txs? The answer is no. Even if price goes 10x, we still need 33mb blocks - which is also a no-go.

did you segwit that 330mb block ?

Effective 330. Whether it is done in a single 330 block or two separate data structures that add up to 330MB but get advertised for less doesn't really matter because txs ultimately occupy more or less the same space.

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what block size do i need now, does it break the internets?

It's a slidebar situation, not a binary one.

The more you push the slidebar higher, the more problems you create. And pushing it just to satisfy the need for spam is irrational. It needs well calculated moves by those who understand the technical drawbacks. And most people don't understand them - although they will be the first to curse the devs if their desire is implemented and the system breaks as a result.

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People who actually want bitcoin to succeed care.
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February 26, 2016, 08:08:17 AM

Desperate much  Huh

Not so strong i'd say!

If I was desperate I'd be dressed up in my cheer leading outfit on the side of the road with my pom poms and a Bitcoin sign  Grin.

You may need yours here soon!

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February 26, 2016, 08:22:07 AM

Fees aren't prohibitively expensive today... but that means we have near 0 potential for growth... it's not a coincidence that the exponential uptrend in price has been thoroughly broken. Also, no coincidence that alts are exploding (lucky iCE), taking massive share from BTC.

Massive share in what? The transactions conducted in other blockchains are few. Actually these blockchains SHOULD be used more, especially by applications that are currently spamming the BTC blockchain.

Price movement of altcoins is mostly irrelevant as it doesn't deal with fundamentals. For example Ethereum scales worse than BTC and will definitely not run for free / near-zero-cost, otherwise it is a completely broken system. So what exactly is the market "rewarding" in Ethereum? It's superior scaling or finding solutions that don't exist in bitcoin? No.

The fee structures in general in altcoins, are typically worse than BTC. Ethereum, for example, considers the low fee model of bitcoin as broken in terms of dealing with abuse and bloating/centralization.

Monero has been extensively abused by bloat attacks that almost killed them and had to raise fees.

Litecoin has in place certain anti-spam fees that aren't in Bitcoin.

DASH has various fees in place as abuse disincentives in its subsystems.

Near free txs = Near free abuse. For anonymous coins => near free txs = near free sybil attack vector to unmask mixing parties, plus near free bloat for the lolz by the mixing which multiply hard disk use.

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Satoshi put the 1MB in place. Not "Blockstream".

The offchain solutions or sidechains, are just a necessity to deal with the technological problem of scaling. When even at 2MB blocks - if you leave the code as it is, you can get validation times of >10 minutes, that's not blockstream's fault. When even if you "deal" with the quadratic explosion by crippling some stuff, you still hit similar hurdles if you go to higher block size numbers, in terms of propagation times, that's not blockstream's fault.

If the internet had 100TBps lines instead of 100GBps, and CPUs were way faster, and disks were way bigger, we might be laughing at all this right now - as will people of the future reading us. But right now the problem is real - there is nothing artificial about it. And the only people doing work to fix it are core devs (see, for example, validation time improvements to help it scale).

As for ROI, I don't know how many Bitcoins they actually own, but even if a portion of this money has been invested in Bitcoin, and Bitcoin goes way higher in price as a result of proper development work being conducted, then it's not impossible to see very impressive ROIs.
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February 26, 2016, 08:58:03 AM

I wouldn't be overly shocked to see $450's in the near future.

Long and strong.

Desperate much  Huh

Not so strong i'd say!

Yeah even weak I'd say! ^^
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