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January 02, 2017, 11:43:34 AM

Turn my back for two seconds and 300+ coin market order on BFX.  Now $1032.  

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January 02, 2017, 11:50:31 AM

i cannot spent another work day glued to my screen, unable to think anything else but bitcoin. my right arm/shoulder is soar , cannot put the mouse to the left side...  serious bitcoiner problems... i know...
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January 02, 2017, 11:50:32 AM

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Read a brilliant tweet in recent weeks, can't seem to find it now, so again paraphrasing:

Bitcoin was invented because banks didn't trust one another.
Then they went and built R3 to prove it!



That's hilarious!  I'm not across the detail of Corda enough but suspect anyone on that ledger is taking horrible counterparty risk due to lack of transparency.  Which may be part of the reason a number of banks have pulled out.

Without getting into the nuts and bolts, the whole project is a mess of mistrust..it looks destined to fail.

The tweeter was none other than Vinny Lingham.
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January 02, 2017, 11:50:49 AM

$1025 on BFX.  Now less than 700 coins on the ramp to $1030.  This shit is making me nervous it's going up too fast!  And more fiat to hit the exchanges in USA in a few hours I expect. 


I think that banks are closed in the USA... and even if they were open, you cannot get money from the bank as soon as it opens, can you?
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January 02, 2017, 11:52:59 AM

$1025 on BFX.  Now less than 700 coins on the ramp to $1030.  This shit is making me nervous it's going up too fast!  And more fiat to hit the exchanges in USA in a few hours I expect. 


I think that banks are closed in the USA... and even if they were open, you cannot get money from the bank as soon as it opens, can you?

Home equity loan you can.....deposit to coinbase or whatever to move it ...unsure..depends on how much that or other accounts let you do on cc or paypal

(resist..must resist.............want to pay the 3k down off on h.e.l. i have now..must resist...)

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January 02, 2017, 11:54:55 AM

Once again I just looked in before going to bed and I see another rally... up to $1022.

Now I want to stay up a little longer.


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January 02, 2017, 11:55:03 AM

$1025 on BFX.  Now less than 700 coins on the ramp to $1030.  This shit is making me nervous it's going up too fast!  And more fiat to hit the exchanges in USA in a few hours I expect. 


I think that banks are closed in the USA... and even if they were open, you cannot get money from the bank as soon as it opens, can you?

Don't they open at 9 am local time on 2 January.  I am thinking of overnight wire transfers clearing.  
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January 02, 2017, 11:56:43 AM

Guess I better follow Vinny on Twitter then if he is going to come out with pearls like that
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January 02, 2017, 11:59:25 AM

Bitcoincharts stopped displaying exchange charts since yesterday, about 16 hours ago (just data from that point is missing). Anyone knows why?
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January 02, 2017, 12:06:50 PM

yes finex 1032 is showing up in the meantime. It's going to catch gold for an ounce of price.
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January 02, 2017, 12:07:34 PM

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As to costs..I figured it out a couple months ago and btc would have to dump to like 201.50 or some such per btc for me to start losing cash.


That sounds like a pretty decently low average cost per BTC



As to BTC for equipment ...the around 2750 mh of miners I got this year...have ROI'd already..I started with 100 btc in July ..took a loan out..bet on BTC going up
and now I'm at 100.07 btc again...so.....from this point on (so far) I'm making 1900 a month yet..that is profit...less the electric from 2013 till july 2015 (was cash)
and the cash I paid for the orig knc 550gh jupiter 7,131.80 and the 10,131.80 for the orig titan...all else is paid off and did not count psu's etc. So it comes out to
for my current 100.07 btc (or was yesterday) to $25,050 usd invested yet...rest is paid roi'd ...3200mh mining 13200 watts 10c kwh ...so....I think it is 1900 a month
LTC now...

so from this point on...should I mine the DEBT I have left down...or should I hold/hoard? above the 100 BTC floor I had before I got the 7 knc titans this last year?


I personally believe that it is a separate calculation regarding whether you should sell some BTC while the price is going up.  The calculation, in my thinking, is not so much about your costs but instead about the anticipated future price direction of BTC, and whether you believe that you need to protect the value of any of your holdings by selling a bit (and of course you could buy them back cheaper if they were to go cheaper, but if they don't you just have that sell off as a form of insurance).

I have already disclosed on several occasions that I don't really bet on either up or down, but instead I employ a long term strategy that allows me to buy on the way down (because I am using the proceeds from the sales on the way up).  I would not be able to buy on the way down if I did not sell on the way up... but if it does not go back down, I still have the fiat to use for other purposes (besides just having it as insurance)





again don't care IRS has my sights on coinbase etc...that is why I have a CPA..


sure some of the tax implications can become a bit convoluted and helpful to have a CPA to assist with some of the calculations.





as to openess.......its been a strange trip.....got to vent someplace Smiley or I could subtitle the trip: Don't do what I've done........in many,many cases Smiley


You can chose whatever level of particulars that you want, and if no one provided particulars, then maybe it is more difficult to figure out or to be as helpful to others.  I think that I also provide a considerable amount of particulars without necessarily disclosing my millions of bitcoins in holdings... .whoops... I shouldnt have said anything.   Wink
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January 02, 2017, 12:12:36 PM

yes finex 1032 is showing up in the meantime. It's going to catch gold for an ounce of price.



yep and nothing but green candles.....I mean ....could everyone on the fence for the last year ....get FOMO all at the same time?

(all them xmas conversations over the past 3 years on what an idiot I was having BTC and miners...er...kinda a different conversation at my
house with relatives this xmas ...let me tell you) Smiley

THE SWEET SMELL OF THE DEATH OF FUD IN THE MORNING.......AH.....

heh.....convo goes like this

you still in that bitcoin stuff

yep

so it still exists

yep

how many you got

100.07 btc

whats it worth (xmas price) around $950 usd and I mining about 1.5 btc a month with scrypt miners

dead bloody silence....wanders away

I kid they not ...should have had the nephew follow me around with his Iphone camera Smiley

I got a couple other people in town I may run into that always bring it up....I'll make sure that happens.....(hey I never bring it up)

Vindication (at least till it goes sideways..btc price is a fickle beast..shudder) hoping sideways is 2k now thou Smiley

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January 02, 2017, 12:19:16 PM

$1025 on BFX.  Now less than 700 coins on the ramp to $1030.  This shit is making me nervous it's going up too fast!  And more fiat to hit the exchanges in USA in a few hours I expect. 


I think that banks are closed in the USA... and even if they were open, you cannot get money from the bank as soon as it opens, can you?

Don't they open at 9 am local time on 2 January.  I am thinking of overnight wire transfers clearing.  

I think that they gotta be closed all day long unless they are some how deviating from expectations.


http://www.theholidayschedule.com/banks/us-bank-holidays.php
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January 02, 2017, 12:19:49 PM

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As to costs..I figured it out a couple months ago and btc would have to dump to like 201.50 or some such per btc for me to start losing cash.


That sounds like a pretty decently low average cost per BTC



As to BTC for equipment ...the around 2750 mh of miners I got this year...have ROI'd already..I started with 100 btc in July ..took a loan out..bet on BTC going up
and now I'm at 100.07 btc again...so.....from this point on (so far) I'm making 1900 a month yet..that is profit...less the electric from 2013 till july 2015 (was cash)
and the cash I paid for the orig knc 550gh jupiter 7,131.80 and the 10,131.80 for the orig titan...all else is paid off and did not count psu's etc. So it comes out to
for my current 100.07 btc (or was yesterday) to $25,050 usd invested yet...rest is paid roi'd ...3200mh mining 13200 watts 10c kwh ...so....I think it is 1900 a month
LTC now...

so from this point on...should I mine the DEBT I have left down...or should I hold/hoard? above the 100 BTC floor I had before I got the 7 knc titans this last year?


I personally believe that it is a separate calculation regarding whether you should sell some BTC while the price is going up.  The calculation, in my thinking, is not so much about your costs but instead about the anticipated future price direction of BTC, and whether you believe that you need to protect the value of any of your holdings by selling a bit (and of course you could buy them back cheaper if they were to go cheaper, but if they don't you just have that sell off as a form of insurance).

I have already disclosed on several occasions that I don't really bet on either up or down, but instead I employ a long term strategy that allows me to buy on the way down (because I am using the proceeds from the sales on the way up).  I would not be able to buy on the way down if I did not sell on the way up... but if it does not go back down, I still have the fiat to use for other purposes (besides just having it as insurance)





again don't care IRS has my sights on coinbase etc...that is why I have a CPA..


sure some of the tax implications can become a bit convoluted and helpful to have a CPA to assist with some of the calculations.





as to openess.......its been a strange trip.....got to vent someplace Smiley or I could subtitle the trip: Don't do what I've done........in many,many cases Smiley


You can chose whatever level of particulars that you want, and if no one provided particulars, then maybe it is more difficult to figure out or to be as helpful to others.  I think that I also provide a considerable amount of particulars without necessarily disclosing my millions of bitcoins in holdings... .whoops... I shouldnt have said anything.   Wink


yeah I do long term but from a hobby point of view also....like to mine and had some luck on miners to extend that streak....thus...with the equip depr etc
what you mine in a year...the heat benifit...just the fun..it always was long term

in 2014 I held like I think it was up to 7k of LTC or some such ...a lot pumped out of 2 titans at 735mh or so.....just pissed off at the 1.80 price and ltc
to btc ratio etc etc...damn the torpedos full speed ahead..ie long term suicidal plan Smiley

sold at like 3.80 or some such and then that was before halving for a lot of it

some of that LTC was bought also

moved it all to BTC thou Smiley then further pumps

so it is a long term case as long as i can justify equip costs/equip depreciation/taxes on income/etc and of course heat the house etc
it is just a matter since 2013 of how long can I keep the hamster wheels going

too bad you or others that trade are not in town to diversify some angles and vice versa (at least the heat angle always makes some sense)

but just kinda blunder along by my lonesome with the occasional yelp of panic and yell for help on here and/or warnings of hey i just did something
really really stupid..don't be me (bfl comes to mind) Smiley

hey its fun...if it ends this year or next I may have to take up a life of crime just to get my daily adrenaline kick Smiley

 
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January 02, 2017, 12:22:19 PM

consider yourself lucky, our experiences are not too dissimilar and ive had little other than bitter resentment from family who hate that i dont work/live like i do. (happily)

i can see the day when BTC hits 5 figures and we start to buy property with the gnashing of teeth as a backing track

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January 02, 2017, 12:24:49 PM

what a rough choice is to buy or not buy at this price.
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January 02, 2017, 12:26:39 PM

what a rough choice is to buy or not buy at this price.

I was a coward at $950..frigging clueless about wth is going on at 1039 or whatever it is as we speak Smiley

sheesh...and hell what if it goes on a tear like from the oct 18th 2013 of $150 when I turned my 1st miner on the knc 550 gh jupiter? to the ATH

crap, I'll have a heart attack someplace in that 2 months process

Ack!

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January 02, 2017, 12:28:24 PM

Any curve can be represented as a sum of sinusoidal curves, i.e. a Fourier series.

Not quite. Any periodic curve can be represented as a sum of sinusoidal curves. The trick is in knowing the periodicity of $=f(t). protip: that f() ain't periodic.

Nope.
An infinite fourier series can match any continuous differentiable function.
Ex: an infinite series can add to a single square wave pulse.
A finite sum can approximate any such function as accurately as you want.
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January 02, 2017, 12:29:38 PM

what a rough choice is to buy or not buy at this price.

I'm not buying. I'm hodling with sub-1k buy orders in case of overnight retracement. Happy either way.
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$900 - $1000



$1000 - $1100

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