Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[MinermanNC]

The "China Syndrome" doesn't seem to have the same effect anymore. At least lately. There is steady demand for it BTC and the supply was cut in half.

And the Alt coin markets have faired well through the recent rise and now this fall.... green candles on most of the major Alts   For me, Alts are a reflection of where BTC is.

I think BTC price is stable and will rise as are the Alts. I know typically Alts will rise when BTC falls and visa versa.... but no real changes in the Alt markets other than steady and up  

[Paashaas]

When the price reaches the old ATH again POBC will regulate the other exchanges and the price starts tanking again..

Small steps until they regulated all exchanges, then i hope the west takes over.

[MinermanNC]

When the price reaches the old ATH again POBC will regulate the other exchanges and the price starts tanking again..

Small steps until they regulated all exchanges, then i hope the west takes over.

I've said it before in here, that I really am suspicious of everything we read and hear regarding the PBOC. China and its people are excellent manipulators of currency, and I don't believe Bitcoin will be any exception. There almost seems to be a pattern with their little episodes regarding the exchanges and the banks..... and these out of the blue announcements..... hmmmm 

But BTC is to resilient nowadays 

[AlexGR]

Next step would obv be to close a small exchange. Then, after several smaller ones, proceed with the bigger ones.

Then go after the miners. Then go after every retailer that accepts BTC.

It seems to me that the PBOC isn't going after Bitcoin. They're simply trying to prevent the outflow of capital from their country.

If you are serious about preventing it, you don't allow citizens to export 50k usd per year... especially in a country with >1bn citizens Or you don't allow the buying of gold with unlimited quantities of CNY (which is like converting your local currency into an international asset and leaving the central bank of china to deal with gold imports and usd outflows)

I think the currency issue is exaggerated by sites like zerohedge. Meaning that even if CNY goes down, then chinese stuff become cheaper, exports increase (a lot) and there is a growing volume of USD inflows due to increased exports which then reinforces the balance of CNY/USD. There's a natural equilibrium in situations involving flows of capital, currency values and trade balances - and as long as you are a serious net exporter (China is), it's unlikely that many things can affect you.

The only argument I've seen about how China's reserves of 2-3 trillion usd are somehow "inadequate" is that they are only a small fraction of the local currency. Lol? Supposedly this is somehow "scary" if all Chinese wanted to convert their CNYs into USDs and the USDs run out.

Yet, this can only happen through some kind of international media campaign to undermine the CNY through FUD. And there is such an ongoing campaign both in mainstream and alternative western media. Even bitcoin-related news use false narratives (like "people are using BTC to bypass capital controls) regarding the CNY weaknesses etc etc, to artificially create runs to foreign currencies. Of course, if these gain traction, they become self-fulfilling prophecies. It's like bank runs. When people hear the X bank is unsafe, even if it isn't, they might move their money. And then when sufficient momentum accumulates by people moving their money, the bank actually becomes problematic and then the news stories are "vindicated" for reporting it early.

[Killerpotleaf]

I dont think the market really cares about china...speculators use the china news as a good excuse to dump and try and buy back lower. but at the end of the day, once the news is over price floats back up.

I sold a few when i heard that PBOC was making bitcoin leveraged trading illegal, i thought this would have a profound impact on BTC demand and price would drop, and then price just kept rising...  then volume in china went down by like 80% as they added fees, still price kept going up! probably because, the "chain bans bitcoin" news had already served it purpose, the fact that BTC demand went down in china had no impact cuz no one actually cares about that, all they care about is making sure price is low while the scary headlines are flying around.

so, i think market is (rightfully so) saying price is low and will go higher, REGARDLESS if china bans bitcoin or not, but it would be a shame not to grab cheap coins while there is scary FUD.

[shapeshiftscam]

The "China Syndrome" doesn't seem to have the same effect anymore. At least lately. There is steady demand for it BTC and the supply was cut in half.

And the Alt coin markets have faired well through the recent rise and now this fall.... green candles on most of the major Alts   For me, Alts are a reflection of where BTC is.

I think BTC price is stable and will rise as are the Alts. I know typically Alts will rise when BTC falls and visa versa.... but no real changes in the Alt markets other than steady and up  

Yeah, first PBOC's ban happened in 2013, and the price crashed from 8000 CNY to 900 CNY. The second ban happened one month ago, the price crashed from 8888 CNY to 4900 CNY. The third ban is this time, from 7500 CNY to 6300 CNY. We are almost immune to China ban. We will overcome it eventually, in the future, the price won't crash a lot if the 4th ban again. 

[Karartma1]

At time of writing is 7.18 am in the UK, 2.18 am in New York and 3.18 in Bejiing and I see no explosions. Lawyers and co. must be having a nap or this is just another small dump that will eventually be eaten by the Masterplan 

[ft73]

It's about time for another healthy dive imho.
First target in the high 800s.


EDIT: 970->950$ already, watch out for breakdown of critical 930-935$ area.

[jackjack]

China is awake for hours, but where's the tragic dump?

[PoolMinor]

China is awake for hours, but where's the tragic dump?

[becoin]

It's 8:00am in Beijing, lets see what happens.

It's $989 on stamp and $988 on finex. The Chinese had a chance to dump before they went to bed. After a night's sleep they might start buying back now they can see it hasn't crashed as far as expected.

It has got to go up to $1000 by 10am their time.
If it doesn't you know something is up and there is dumps to be had through out the day at a feverish rate.
By the time the West wakes up it will be a disaster.
Do not sleep tonight and watch the disaster happen live.

What disaster? PBOC influence on bitcoin is diminishing every day now. PBOC measures imposed on Chinese bitcoin exchanges are more drastic but price is less impressed with every intervention. PBOC are rapidly depleting their anti-bitcoin ammo. They must be veeeeeeeery careful in regard to bitcoin or they'll be the first central bank bankrupted by bitcoin!

[Ted E. Bare]

Bottom should be 950$ and 900€ approximately.

No disaster indeed. Bottom is holding. Screw the manipulators and bankers.

[Cassius]

So I'm quite staggered at the lack of panic selling. Ok, we had a $100 drop, which wasn't great, but why isn't it more?
It suggests that there are plenty of Chinese speculators who are 1) Happy to pick up BTC and LTC and let them sit on an exchange for a MONTH before they pull them out, or 2) Who are hoping for a short-term bounce before they cash out, or 3) Who are terrified of withdrawing as fiat due to AML regs.
2) Doesn't ring true for me as I wouldn't expect enough people to support price here, and it's a very risky game.
Anyone have any insights?

[DARKHOLDER]

So I'm quite staggered at the lack of panic selling. Ok, we had a $100 drop, which wasn't great, but why isn't it more?
It suggests that there are plenty of Chinese speculators who are 1) Happy to pick up BTC and LTC and let them sit on an exchange for a MONTH before they pull them out, or 2) Who are hoping for a short-term bounce before they cash out, or 3) Who are terrified of withdrawing as fiat due to AML regs.
2) Doesn't ring true for me as I wouldn't expect enough people to support price here, and it's a very risky game.
Anyone have any insights?

Next 24 hours will be critical If hold 950$ line then go up, if not then go back to 800

[Cassius]

So I'm quite staggered at the lack of panic selling. Ok, we had a $100 drop, which wasn't great, but why isn't it more?
It suggests that there are plenty of Chinese speculators who are 1) Happy to pick up BTC and LTC and let them sit on an exchange for a MONTH before they pull them out, or 2) Who are hoping for a short-term bounce before they cash out, or 3) Who are terrified of withdrawing as fiat due to AML regs.
2) Doesn't ring true for me as I wouldn't expect enough people to support price here, and it's a very risky game.
Anyone have any insights?

Next 24 hours will be critical If hold 950$ line then go up, if not then go back to 800

Well maybe. But I can't get my head around the fact that the panicking hasn't already been more panicky. I mean, someone says your funds are locked for 30 days and how many will just take it on the chin rather than scramble to get them out asap?

[becoin]

Anyone have any insights?

Yes, it has been said many times. If you don't like your bitcoins been blocked don't keep them with bitcoin exchanges!

[DARKHOLDER]

So I'm quite staggered at the lack of panic selling. Ok, we had a $100 drop, which wasn't great, but why isn't it more?
It suggests that there are plenty of Chinese speculators who are 1) Happy to pick up BTC and LTC and let them sit on an exchange for a MONTH before they pull them out, or 2) Who are hoping for a short-term bounce before they cash out, or 3) Who are terrified of withdrawing as fiat due to AML regs.
2) Doesn't ring true for me as I wouldn't expect enough people to support price here, and it's a very risky game.
Anyone have any insights?

Next 24 hours will be critical If hold 950$ line then go up, if not then go back to 800

Well maybe. But I can't get my head around the fact that the panicking hasn't already been more panicky. I mean, someone says your funds are locked for 30 days and how many will just take it on the chin rather than scramble to get them out asap?

Agree.. those news not so good for all traders in those exchanges... Maybe after month we see new dump..

[Oblodo]

Nobody think this drop kinda correlate with the fact that Norway just removed VAT on BTC and suddenly made it waaaaay easier for Norwegians to sell their coins? 25% VAT is a lot. Loads of first miners and adopters in that filthy rich country... a friend sold 2000 coins yesterday to an known investor. And more like him did the same.

[bitcoinvest]

Nobody think this drop kinda correlate with the fact that Norway just removed VAT on BTC and suddenly made it waaaaay easier for Norwegians to sell their coins? 25% VAT is a lot. Loads of first miners and adopters in that filthy rich country... a friend sold 2000 coins yesterday to an known investor. And more like him did the same.

you mean he sold hand to hand right? without any VAT applying to this transaction as i understand and the investor has to deal with the VAT?

[becoin]

So I'm quite staggered at the lack of panic selling. Ok, we had a $100 drop, which wasn't great, but why isn't it more?
It suggests that there are plenty of Chinese speculators who are 1) Happy to pick up BTC and LTC and let them sit on an exchange for a MONTH before they pull them out, or 2) Who are hoping for a short-term bounce before they cash out, or 3) Who are terrified of withdrawing as fiat due to AML regs.
2) Doesn't ring true for me as I wouldn't expect enough people to support price here, and it's a very risky game.
Anyone have any insights?

Next 24 hours will be critical If hold 950$ line then go up, if not then go back to 800

Well maybe. But I can't get my head around the fact that the panicking hasn't already been more panicky. I mean, someone says your funds are locked for 30 days and how many will just take it on the chin rather than scramble to get them out asap?

Agree.. those news not so good for all traders in those exchanges... Maybe after month we see new dump..

Why wait a month? They're allowed to dump their bitcoins now. They just can't withdraw.
Dumb money dumpted their bitcoins yesterday. Smart money are accumulating taking advantage of this opportunity.