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[Torque]

The bad actors have created the fake civil war on purpose. It's about 20% real.

Bitcoin XT and Mike Hearn, Bitcoin Classic and Gavin, Bitcoin Unlimited and Roger Ver.

Three attempts to take-over development with a woefully inadequate support from programmers. Each attack has failed on technical measures before even fooling enough people. Each time they spun up fake nodes on VPS's to mimic support.

The three characters above were once great assets to the Bitcoin community but have become compromised, blackmail, payments or who knows what - but they are being led around by the balls, or truly idiots.

First they ignore you.  <--- all other crypto/altcoins are still here
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.  <--- Bitcoin is here now
Then you win.

People don't realize that 'they' (the powers that be) are now circling Bitcoin like sharks, trying desperately in whatever ways they can to slow it down, set it back, or kill it forever.

'They' have run out of physical/technical ways to try and hinder or bring down Bitcoin (e.g., 0day bugs/hacks, DDoS, MtGox insolvency, exchanges hacked and/or going offline, FUD/negative news, etc.)

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

Once this line of BS fails, and it will, the next wave will be direct head-to-head Bitcoin competition: Gov't sponsored/endorsed Bankcoins, and eventually Bankcoin ETFs.

Believe it. You read it here first.

[conspirosphere.tk]

There is no civil war. There are some government actors planted in bitcoin ecosystem that do everything they can to generate noise and prevent accelerated bitcoin adoption.

Funny thing is that ppl seem to want to keep a civilized debate going while "they" spread FUD and discord and plant demolition charges in the basement.

I vote for holy war, with the battle cry of 1MBFOREVAH!

[Paashaas]

https://medium.com/@Coinosphere/why-bitcoin-unlimited-should-be-correctly-classified-as-an-attempted-robbery-of-bitcoin-not-a-9355d075763c#.5waefc4fg

[chopstick]

The Anti- Bitcoin Unlimited FUD and labeling of Roger Ver as a "government agent / boogeyman" continues to reek of sad, sad desperation.

Yes, people are becoming aware of how Blockstream Kore took money from Goldman & Sachs and are now purposely restricting the growth of Bitcoin.

That is why BU will win, beeotch

[chopstick]

Or Ethereum will win, I'm not sure yet.

[Stringer Bell]

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

true.dat

It's nice to know somebody gets it.

I think the silent, intelligent army of characters of substance and skill will triumph.

They have the mental capital and due to that, the financial capital. Most importantly the brainpower is on the right side, in the end that will lead. The system is too complex to be run by pretend programmers and charlatans dumb enough to take money to shit on promising technology and essentially lie and woof all day long. Who wants to do that? The incompetent and the evil, and most likely the blackmailed.

[chopstick]

r/bitcoin has turned into like a reflection of r/politics.

Just replace the anti-Trump / Russia hatred with anti - BU hatred, vitriol, etc.

So so sad.

[Paashaas]

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  

[Stringer Bell]

i suck the cock for the food

BU doesn't have the ability to manage software as complex as Bitcoin today.. If that isn't obvious now than nothing will change your mind.. Which means it is not facts you care about but you are trollololing.

edit:welcome to ignore buddy!

[chopstick]

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  

Yeah, BU is in real deep shit with constantly increasing hashrate and the pathetic smear attempts from Core's smear campaign falling flat on their face  

Kore is only digging a deeper hole for themselves. Every day. I couldn't ask for anything better.

As the price drops during this "civil war" and altcoins continue to explode, well, those are only more money making opportunities before BU eventually wins the fight and takes back what is rightfully ours (on-chain scaling),

And if BU fails, then altcoins overtake Bitcoin anyway, so either way I'm covered.

As for you morons who can't even handle these basic truths, well, I don't know what to say. Enjoy having your head in the sand?

[chopstick]

i suck the cock for the food

BU doesn't have the ability to manage software as complex as Bitcoin today.. If that isn't obvious now than nothing will change your mind.. Which means it is not facts you care about but you are trollololing.

edit:welcome to ignore buddy!

Oh look, another Brainless Kore moron who can't handle even the slightest argument before resorting to personal name calling and /ignore

If you guys are Kore's best and brightest, well...

[gentlemand]

https://medium.com/@Coinosphere/why-bitcoin-unlimited-should-be-correctly-classified-as-an-attempted-robbery-of-bitcoin-not-a-9355d075763c#.5waefc4fg

That reads like bilge to me. It seems to imply that Core = Bitcoin forever which even Core themselves probably wouldn't endorse.

If 95% of people genuinely adored BU then it would become Bitcoin without question. Of course they don't so it'll never happen but it's just a matter of percentages and the contention factor.

Bitcoin's value comes not from the software version but the history, trust and money shoved in there. That supersedes any code if it's mutually agreed upon to transfer it to a different version. The present code doesn't have a great deal of similarity with the very first version.

[Stringer Bell]

Hi chopstick, why don't you go and buy some Dash 

[JayJuanGee]

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  

He has been talking such bullshit for quite a long time - at least 6 months.  Just repeats over and over the paid shill talking points in regards to promoting some kind of supposed scaling solution, but without really having much if any justification - beyond repetition of nonsense.

[chopstick]

Hi chopstick, why don't you go and buy some Dash 

This is you:

[chopstick]

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  

He has been talking such bullshit for quite a long time - at least 6 months.  Just repeats over and over the paid shill talking points in regards to promoting some kind of supposed scaling solution, but without really having much if any justification - beyond repetition of nonsense.

When Truth becomes "paid shill talking points..."

Welcome to 2017.

Also, I only come on here occasionally when I'm bored.

But watching the BU v. Core fight has been quite entertaining, and I love pissing people off like you who are like this:

[chopstick]

"Let's force 1mb blocks onto everyone forever! Let's restrict organic growth of Bitcoin's userbase and force marketshare into altcoins! Let's use an unproven solution (LN) and force it onto everyone! THEY WON'T HAVE A CHOICE!" -BlockstreamCore

Yes, how dare the rest of us who see through this insanity insist that Bitcoin go back to Satoshi's original vision of on-chain scaling.

How dare.

[Denker]

First they ignore you.  <--- all other crypto/altcoins are still here
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.  <--- Bitcoin is here now
Then you win.

People don't realize that 'they' (the powers that be) are now circling Bitcoin like sharks, trying desperately in whatever ways they can to slow it down, set it back, or kill it forever.

'They' have run out of physical/technical ways to try and hinder or bring down Bitcoin (e.g., 0day bugs/hacks, DDoS, MtGox insolvency, exchanges hacked and/or going offline, FUD/negative news, etc.)

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

Once this line of BS fails, and it will, the next wave will be direct head-to-head Bitcoin competition: Gov't sponsored/endorsed Bankcoins, and eventually Bankcoin ETFs.

Believe it. You read it here first.

Pretty much this! As I also said, to me this looks like an coordinated attack.Again! Not the first one we witness.
It's again all about divide the community, spread FUD and demoralize the people.
But I'm also pretty confident the majority of the community and especially the big holders know what's going on.

[talkingleaves]

will support at 1210 hold?

will there be a recovery before okc futures settlement?

these are the only things on my mind. fuck this hardfork BU segwit noise

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Seems we've lost a little ground overnight... currently $1224USD (Bitcoinaverage).

We're back to where we were 3 days ago, or the day before the ETF announcement.

No sweat. After 5 consecutive green daily candles, a little red doesn't hurt.

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

true.dat

It's nice to know somebody gets it.

I think the silent, intelligent army of characters of substance and skill will triumph.

They have the mental capital and due to that, the financial capital. Most importantly the brainpower is on the right side, in the end that will lead. The system is too complex to be run by pretend programmers and charlatans dumb enough to take money to shit on promising technology and essentially lie and woof all day long. Who wants to do that? The incompetent and the evil, and most likely the blackmailed.

Indeed. This is why I don't worry.

The trolls, FUDsters and alt shills are so obvious they're almost comical.

Meanwhile, I made the decision long ago to trust that "silent, intelligent army" to mind the code.

That's the beauty of a decentralized open-source platform. Even though my own coding skills are very limited, I figure I can trust a worldwide community of dedicated capable coders to keep things in check.