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October 16, 2017, 04:54:47 AM

Never going to 50k  Grin
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October 16, 2017, 05:35:01 AM
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Another case of oversold.   Cry Cry Tongue

How is selling .01 BTC at 53xx being oversold? Especially when the market rose like $500 USD the last time that I made a trade. I'm now employing the same system you are employing. Unfortunately, there hasn't been many dips lately to properly get the BTC back.

You could not be employing the same system as me - because I do not get anxious about buying back at a lower price - especially to fill an order at 4-6% less than I sold (as you suggested that you were planning to buy back in a $200-$300 increment)...

O.k... sure I might get a little anxious but not to the level of hoping for a drop, merely because I sold some... In that regard, each of us needs to be careful about selling too much.  Yes, we have ups and downs in BTC prices, and we should not get too emotional attached to a bit of movement here and there and we should expect volatility that does not necessarily move in our preferred direction.

Sure, we all hope that it flash crashes 50% and fills all our buy orders and then goes back to the previous price, but those are exceptional and lucky circumstances that only occur when we have buy orders down the spectrum... and certainly a situation where preparation meets opportunity (aka.. luck)...


I agree that if you have about 2 BTC, then selling between about .01BTC or .02BTC every $200 to $300 price increase would be reasonable... or somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5% for every 10% price rise.... but if you have less than 2BTC then your amounts should be less... in order to not oversell.  And, maybe if you only have 2 BT then you have to also figure out other ways (besides hoping for the price to drop) to attempt to increase your stash, too, no?



There are several of us who have boat loads of bitcoin and we never employed leverage to get them.  We either dollar cost average bought or bought on dips and maybe just sold small amounts as the price goes up to buy back, and with a key component of either hodling when the price is going down or buying.

You probably still don't have as much a Spoofy.  Grin You really think Spoofy actually owns all that fiat and BTC to put up those walls on Bitfinex?

I am not really trying to compete with anyone regarding quantity of bitcoin that I have, and I was only trying to assert that any of us should be able to work at acquiring a lot of bitcoin (especially if you use time tested tactics such as DCA and buying on dips) without leveraging or employing gambling trade tactics.


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By the way Bones261, I just did a recalculation of my BTC holdings and a quickie review of my BTC strategy... in the most recent price run up from $4,850 to $5,850 and then resting back in the $5,500 to $5,700 arena, I had transitioned my whole incremental trading from $100 to $200 increments.  

So yeah, where I used to buy back every $100, now I have to wait $200 increments for both selling and buying back.  So certainly, the buy/sells do not trigger as often, and yeah a guy could get a little anxious about buy backs not triggering.. but  on the other hand, I set my sell increments and amounts to such a level that I try not to be attached to whether they fill or not.. and the money continues to pile up on both ends.  

I continue to have a lot of bitcoins and I continue to have a lot of dollars to buy back.  

Currently, in my BTC trading funds, I am about 90.5% bitcoins and 9.5% fiat.  With about 78% of my fiat, I have preset buy orders down to about 50% retracement (that is $2,800).   Sure, I could set the buy back orders lower or change the amounts, but it ends up being a lot of money and a lot of proportion of my buy back that would be exhausted if BTC prices were to suddenly experience a 50% retracement and sure a bit of a dedication towards upside too with sell orders set to more than 100% upside prices.. ... (Actually, currently, I have many of my sell orders preset to about $13k... hahahahahha.. .looks pretty funny having preset orders up to that amount.. but i suppose if the price suddenly flash crashes upwards, then I have committed to selling certain amounts at certain prices) .. but part of my point is that there are both upside and downside possibilities and our orders should be staggered up and down the books - but we should not get too attached to whether shorter increment orders of 4% or 10% fill or not because, it is possible that we could get 20% or even 40% or more corrections.. same withe the upside, we could experience another more than 50% or 100% price explosion without any significant correction and at that point, we have whatever quantity of BTC that we have.... based, in part, on our preplanning.
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October 16, 2017, 07:18:16 AM

I hope Garzik does the right thing

I have it on good authority that BitPay operates almost entirely on spite. It's in their mission statement.
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October 16, 2017, 07:22:34 AM

People whose longs got liquidated. Especially if using Bitmex. You people are mean. Not everyone that sells at the bottom are bears. Some are bulls who went long at the wrong time.

In Bitcoin there is no such thing as wrong time to go long!
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October 16, 2017, 07:26:27 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2273127.0 (Total Pants Token)

Is this your doing, BMB? Is this what all those pants you took were used for? Sad
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October 16, 2017, 07:33:16 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2273127.0 (Total Pants Token)

Is this your doing, BMB? Is this what all those pants you took were used for? Sad


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What's a waves token? Nevermind, don't answer that. Babysitting Bit tokens is already doing my head in.
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October 16, 2017, 08:35:20 AM


I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.


Actually "CoreCoin" is worth around $4,800 now on Bitfinex, vs "SX2Coin" at $850.  The ratio is around 6:1 now, while the high was around 9:1, i.e. Core/SX2 cross rate low is at around 0.11, which is what BCH traded for most of its life before the current plunge. 

Since there is no EDA for SX2, it's hard to imagine mining pools want to mine SX2 at 85% to 90% loss if the above price relationship holds.  So we are probably going to see good percentage of miners to simply bail the SX2 chain soon after it goes live.  Similarly, why would Jihan support a segwit (x2) chain when he has BCH, which he can mine with less loss and possibly with profit via some EDA manipulation.  So it's more likely that as some suggested here, there is going to be a "Three Kingdom" type 3 way battle at first for the hashrate.  With ultimately the market price (and mining profitability) determines hashrate distribution. 

Is there anywhere with a Bitcoin Gold price?
I guess it will be 0.0x BTC but it is interesting to me anyway as I think it would be a step back from the centralization that has been going on for years.

It looks like Sx2 coin will die, it falls between Cash and Core becoming fairly pointless, you either want bigger blocks or you don't.
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October 16, 2017, 08:48:28 AM

People whose longs got liquidated. Especially if using Bitmex. You people are mean. Not everyone that sells at the bottom are bears. Some are bulls who went long at the wrong time.

In Bitcoin there is no such thing as wrong time to go long!



Yeah, but he is cryptically talking about going leverage long ... which could be a different story, if his leveraged position gets called.
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October 16, 2017, 09:54:00 AM

So it looks like $5426 was our low, we're moving up to ATH now hopefully  Smiley
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October 16, 2017, 10:27:27 AM

So it looks like $5426 was our low, we're moving up to ATH now hopefully  Smiley

or there is still a chance for relatively cheap coins soon:


https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSDT/vH8p4FLI-Bitcoin-Market-Overview/
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October 16, 2017, 10:46:09 AM

i think  jamie-dimon  Speak only Angry Angry Angry

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/13/jamie-dimon-says-people-who-buy-bitcoin-are-stupid.html



dump this fucker bitcoin damnnn Angry Angry Angry
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October 16, 2017, 11:22:17 AM

i think  jamie-dimon  Speak only Angry Angry Angry

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/13/jamie-dimon-says-people-who-buy-bitcoin-are-stupid.html

dump this fucker bitcoin damnnn Angry Angry Angry

I suggest we dump Dimon talk until something interesting happens - like if he gets full board at taxpayers expense.
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October 16, 2017, 11:33:17 AM

Back online.  Wink





And we have spam here ...  Roll Eyes
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October 16, 2017, 11:56:57 AM

Good Meuh6879, glad you are finally back! And that has been quick too.
Yes, spam is back too and fees are going up as usual. We do need SegWit friendly txs so that everybody can start taking advantage of this improvement otherwise the network will clog during these days.
The bitcoin protocol is under pressure from every given angle!
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October 16, 2017, 12:02:16 PM

So it looks like $5426 was our low, we're moving up to ATH now hopefully  Smiley

or there is still a chance for relatively cheap coins soon:


I think way too many people on tradingview make predictions based on charts and not considering the news (I make better predictions than some seniors there, which says a lot).
In this case, the past high cannot be considered as it was literally truncated by the Chinese news. Maybe I am wrong, but I have the feeling we will go a bit higher this time
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October 16, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
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So it looks like $5426 was our low, we're moving up to ATH now hopefully  Smiley

or there is still a chance for relatively cheap coins soon:


https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSDT/vH8p4FLI-Bitcoin-Market-Overview/
So $5000 to be exspected? $4500 if things turn worser?
Looking at charts alone is not enough. The hashrate distribution between the Cash fork and Bitcoin would tell more about price discovery. I am worried that miners exercise this switching of their gear since end of august on a daily course.
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October 16, 2017, 12:24:49 PM

Back online.  Wink

Great  Grin


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October 16, 2017, 12:34:12 PM

So, I just got around to looking at the news on my computer. And they said that the president of Catalonia signed a document of independence, but it won't take effect until a couple of weeks.
Not quite the same thing as no independence. The game continues.

https://www.svtplay.se/video/15466527/aktuellt/aktuellt-10-okt-21-00-1?start=auto

At 01:28

EDIT: other news channel and some shit.

Nobody understand what exactly happened. Puigdemont didn't declare independence in his speech and talked about suspension of the process and more "negotiations", so everyone (in all sides) was like WTF!?

After the session ended, the political groups promoting independence signed a document (that wasn't voted nor referred to in the session) that seems to imply that independence is in fact declared.

Very confussing.
There is no chances because there are less riskes because there are many awarness so i will say that we should ignore facts because if we bring facts then it will destroy everything so we should say that we should ignore people and facts we should follow the things because it will be good for us so let's deal with facts and ignore the things.
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October 16, 2017, 01:13:10 PM

which colour you want?

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October 16, 2017, 01:16:21 PM

Interesting interview from Jack Liao, the person behind Bitcoin Gold.

There business model looks great so far, i dont got the intention to dump Bitcoin Gold straight away.

The way it looks like atm Bitcoin Gold might transform into a decent alt-coin.

http://news.8btc.com/jack-liao-the-person-behind-bitcoin-gold-aims-to-compete-with-bitcoin-cash
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