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[Elwar]

And you will buy protection from the nearest nation-state with a standing army of poor people.

The initial seastead prototype will be in a Tahitian lagoon in a Special Economic Zone under French Polynesian criminal code.

[Rosewater Foundation]

And you will buy protection from the nearest nation-state with a standing army of poor people.

The initial seastead prototype will be in a Tahitian lagoon in a Special Economic Zone under French Polynesian criminal code.

Right. Under the protection of the French then? And abiding by their laws?

[Elwar]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

[Elwar]

And you will buy protection from the nearest nation-state with a standing army of poor people.

The initial seastead prototype will be in a Tahitian lagoon in a Special Economic Zone under French Polynesian criminal code.

Right. Under the protection of the French then? And abiding by their laws?

Abiding by their criminal code with some limited economic freedom and sovereignty.

[Rosewater Foundation]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

I'm saying, if all this is is just a fork of the current world real estate racket, I don't get the appeal.

[Hyperjacked]

Don't try to escape from the world! Try to change it for the better!

That would require changing people. People have repeatedly demonstrated that they dislike freedom. Or at least it is a very low priority.

Why try to fight to give people something they do not want? Live and let live. I have nothing against someone else not wanting freedom if I am able to go find it myself.

What is your definition of freedom?

No force.

If you have nothing to eat you're still forced by your own body to find something to eat. This is why people have to cooperate to find/produce their food. Every member in such a group has rights and obligations. Your right is somebody else's obligation. Every obligation you have limits your freedom! Absolute freedom means no obligations and thus no rights. It means lack of society. It means absolute solitude and loneliness. Is that what you're trying to achieve? Of course, not!

Freedom is not being weighed down by unwanted obligations and the ability to do want you want with your time... For some it is socializing with friends and family while helping the less fortunate ! For some it's vanity and striving after the wind... Sometimes is the little things that mean the most IMHO

[Elwar]

If you have nothing to eat you're still forced by your own body to find something to eat. This is why people have to cooperate to find/produce their food. Every member in such a group has rights and obligations. Your right is somebody else's obligation. Every obligation you have limits your freedom! Absolute freedom means no obligations and thus no rights. It means lack of society. It means absolute solitude and loneliness. Is that what you're trying to achieve? Of course, not!

So now you're being forced by your own body? You're not obliged to anyone. Nobody is obliged to you.

You can voluntarily cooperate. Most people do not like voluntary interactions. Especially if they have nothing to offer other than calling for force.

[Elwar]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

I'm saying, if all this is is just a fork of the current world real estate racket, I don't get the appeal.

It is a prototype. The people actually making any decisions about its purpose will not be on Internet websites. They will be living on the seastead working to make it into something bigger.

[Rosewater Foundation]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

I'm saying, if all this is is just a fork of the current world real estate racket, I don't get the appeal.

It is a prototype. The people actually making any decisions about its purpose will not be on Internet websites. They will be living on the seastead working to make it into something bigger.

Suddenly it sounds like a multinational corporation. Nope. Sinister.
I can't help it. I like it even less now.

[Elwar]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

I'm saying, if all this is is just a fork of the current world real estate racket, I don't get the appeal.

It is a prototype. The people actually making any decisions about its purpose will not be on Internet websites. They will be living on the seastead working to make it into something bigger.

Suddenly it sounds like a multinational corporation. Nope. Sinister.
I can't help it. I like it even less now.

Definitely not for you.

[Rosewater Foundation]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

[Elwar]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

[bitserve]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will be coming from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

[RayX12]

Good going bitcoin hodlers!  Are we rich yet?
Bitcoin is the sunshine for today!
Happy $9K

[ErisDiscordia]

The best thing about seasteding will be that we will finally get to see what happens instead of throwing our various prejudices and dogmas at each other.

[Ibian]

^It's cool. We're not taking any poor people.

Are you as concerned about the hundreds of thousands of miles of ocean front property that aren't cheap? Or just a tiny little floating island that will have no impact upon anyone else? Would you use force to allow poor people to live in ocean front properties?

I'm saying, if all this is is just a fork of the current world real estate racket, I don't get the appeal.

It is a prototype. The people actually making any decisions about its purpose will not be on Internet websites. They will be living on the seastead working to make it into something bigger.

Something what? What's the vision?

[lightfoot]

And we get to deal with pirates. This should be fun.

Meantime 9,000? It's over 9,000?

Wow.

[Elwar]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

[Elwar]

And we get to deal with pirates. This should be fun.

Meantime 9,000? It's over 9,000?

Wow.

Pirates and waves. Most people that hear about it first usually bring up the waves too. 100 foot waves. And hurricanes.

[Ibian]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

It certainly won't. Communism doesn't work, for example.