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July 03, 2013, 06:31:32 PM |
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Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts. I see how I can buy, not how I can short... Account min was wrong above: Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000. Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000 If you want to short, call them up. Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate. Again, I saw that, but I still don't see if they offer any kind of shorting. |
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Ultraviolet
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July 03, 2013, 06:48:00 PM |
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You _could_ short on BFX, routing to Bitstamp, but Bitstamp market depth is nothing like Gox, so....
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Frozenlock
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July 03, 2013, 06:48:47 PM |
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You _could_ short on BFX, routing to Bitstamp, but Bitstamp market depth is nothing like Gox, so....
Yeah, that's why I mentioned >1k BTC. You can't really short in any meaningful way. |
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byronbb
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July 03, 2013, 06:51:01 PM |
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Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts. I see how I can buy, not how I can short... Account min was wrong above: Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000. Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000 If you want to short, call them up. Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate. Again, I saw that, but I still don't see if they offer any kind of shorting. |
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Frozenlock
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July 03, 2013, 06:53:42 PM |
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Thanks. Exante, a Malta-based broker will now provide a means to investors to take long or short Bitcoin positions and trade shares using its Automatic Trading Platform (ATP). Thus, becoming the first of its kind, Exante which also became the first to introduce the world’s first Bitcoin-only hedge fund last March is all set to promote the crypto-currency for traders. So since a week ago, you can now short Bitcoin on their account.  |
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Jozzaboy
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July 03, 2013, 06:54:02 PM |
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Looking at the other threads, a lot of bulls coming out of the woodwork. All claiming to be buying cheap coins. If I dump in another 10k USD though, I would be getting nervous is my position turned against me...
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N12
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July 03, 2013, 06:57:28 PM |
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Thanks. Exante, a Malta-based broker will now provide a means to investors to take long or short Bitcoin positions and trade shares using its Automatic Trading Platform (ATP). Thus, becoming the first of its kind, Exante which also became the first to introduce the world’s first Bitcoin-only hedge fund last March is all set to promote the crypto-currency for traders. So since a week ago, you can now short Bitcoin on their account. Oh boy, that could serve to accelerate the bear market. I remember what happened when Bitcoinica came on stage. |
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samson
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July 03, 2013, 07:00:09 PM |
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July 03, 2013, 07:02:06 PM |
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Now the interest for "bitcoin crash" crashed?  |
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Jozzaboy
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July 03, 2013, 07:05:53 PM |
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Now the interest for "bitcoin crash" crashed? So a negative result on 'crash' so... positive??  |
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July 03, 2013, 07:06:40 PM |
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So a negative result on 'crash' so... positive?? No doubt this is a bullish signal |
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ft73
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July 03, 2013, 07:21:39 PM |
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I see altcoins as a whole going up (NOT just LTC, but PPC, TRC, misc scamcoins ...).
Maybe somebody observed how ALL these coins went down as a whole, anticipating the bearish trend for BTC, by about 20 days.
Potential prelude or early signal for BTC trend inversion?
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dragony
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July 03, 2013, 07:25:44 PM |
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I was actually thinking about selling out all of my 100btc but the trend is clearly reversing. So what now?
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Frozenlock
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July 03, 2013, 07:28:05 PM |
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I was actually thinking about selling out all of my 100btc but the trend is clearly reversing. So what now?
Wait... what? |
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Rampion
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July 03, 2013, 07:34:40 PM |
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Smallish BID filled at 62ish EUR, sold at 63.9x, +1% profit and now no more catching knives till the '$70s.
The bears in here are so bullish that love to see how their dirty fiat can buy more coins for them, day after day.
We may be coming out from the "return to normal"/denial phase to slowly entering fear. I can start to smell it. People believing (or should we say hoping?) the Winkletards S-1 will take BTC to da moon. Over emotionality on reddit and these subforums. Noobs flaming bears. Noobs starting threads about how they bought over $100 and "will hold forever".
Those guys are usually those that panic sell when they see their investment decimated, and that's usually the very bottom. They will hold a little more and they will be deluded by each and every bull trap.
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ft73
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July 03, 2013, 07:38:26 PM |
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I'm starting to see bears here as a little dogmatic Not a bull myself at the moment, but probably not even a bear ... However, going down became boring. |
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Rampion
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July 03, 2013, 07:40:41 PM |
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I'm starting to see bears here as a little dogmatic Not a bull myself at the moment, but probably not even a bear ... If you invested long term, you are obviously bullish long term, and the speculation subforums are kinda useless for you. If you are trading, its kinda counterproductive being a bull during an obvious bear market. Trading against the trend hurts your portfolio. Basic math. |
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ft73
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July 03, 2013, 07:43:53 PM |
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I'm starting to see bears here as a little dogmatic Not a bull myself at the moment, but probably not even a bear ... If you invested long term, you are obviously bullish long term, and the speculation subforums are kinda useless for you. If you are trading, its kinda counterproductive being a bull during an obvious bear market. Trading against the trend hurts your portfolio. Basic math. On long term i'm bullish -> investments. Short (VERY short) term i'm bearish -> trading. Bearish Bull? Bullish bear ? EDIT: I miss the "basic math" thing however. I'm holding some BTCs bought over 100$, that made me 30% profit in terms of additional coins. So no loss till now on them. What i've done wrong ? |
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NewLiberty
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July 03, 2013, 07:45:26 PM |
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Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts. I see how I can buy, not how I can short... Account min was wrong above: Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000. Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000 If you want to short, call them up. Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate. Again, I saw that, but I still don't see if they offer any kind of shorting. You are so easily thwarted? I learned that by speaking with them at the convention. Call them up, not everything is on the website. They are available 24/7, and have folks around the world to answer your call. https://exante.eu/contact_us/ |
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