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January 02, 2019, 08:39:54 PM

People are hodling btc just fine, yet they are not buying much, hence we got reduced from 55% to 51% even when we moved from the lows.
I get somewhat discouraged by this.
Crypto market has no notion of quality.
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January 02, 2019, 08:40:03 PM


LN will turn bitcoin into a Visa

yeah...ummmm

I am not able to do  a personal, un-censorable, non-reversible transaction on the Visa mainnet.

You are an idiot.

Ignore engaged.
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Mastercard can bugger up Patreon, they can bugger Barry and his boys.
Hope he likes it up his 'epicentre'
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January 02, 2019, 09:06:48 PM


LN will turn bitcoin into a Visa

yeah...ummmm

I am not able to do  a personal, un-censorable, non-reversible transaction on the Visa mainnet.

You are an idiot.

Ignore engaged.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YKTkFJLYIkrGFh7h051G_AL6i57i8EOhYM2e43MjbuE/htmlview#
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January 02, 2019, 09:07:50 PM


LN will turn bitcoin into a Visa

yeah...ummmm

I am not able to do  a personal, un-censorable, non-reversible transaction on the Visa mainnet.

You are an idiot.

Ignore engaged.

normal consumers don't want non reversible transactions. Why the fuck would anyone want that, if something goes wrong or your funds are stolen you are fucked.  Credit cards are a million times better than buttcoin.
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January 02, 2019, 09:14:58 PM


LN will turn bitcoin into a Visa

yeah...ummmm

I am not able to do  a personal, un-censorable, non-reversible transaction on the Visa mainnet.

You are an idiot.

Ignore engaged.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YKTkFJLYIkrGFh7h051G_AL6i57i8EOhYM2e43MjbuE/htmlview#

That calculation is factually incorrect:

1. earth has 7.9 bil inhabitants, not 10.
2. out of 7.9 bil inhabitants, 25% are children below age 14, so total number of transactionally able is not more than 5.9 bil.
3. tx can be batched.

Conclusion: even without batching upper bound is 83 years.
With batching, anywhere between 0.8 and 8.
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January 02, 2019, 09:16:20 PM
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Still doing some tuning but here are some short fibs and a look into the next week or so. Looks like mostly sideways with a small side of upwards. #dyor

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A first skirmish between lying AI and humans:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/31/this-clever-ai-hid-data-from-its-creators-to-cheat-at-its-appointed-task/

I hope we don't enable some strong AI with staples optimization production as it would make staples out of everything.

Relevance to bitcoin: negligible, unless people will start using AI to write code.
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January 02, 2019, 09:34:05 PM

Apple downgraded expectations Grin
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January 02, 2019, 09:36:26 PM


That calculation is factually incorrect requires some assumptions that may or may not be reasonable:

1. earth has 7.9 bil inhabitants, not 10.

In decades to come? All projections of which I am aware conclude the earth's population will continue to increase.

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2. out of 7.9 bil inhabitants, 25% are children below age 14, so total number of transactionally able is not more than 5.9 bil.

In decades to come? All projections of which I am aware conclude the earth's population will continue to gentrify. As if tweens and even chillens are to be locked out of ability to buy bubblegum?

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3. tx can be batched.

'Splain me how one onboards _individuals_ in a permissionless decentralized manner using batching?

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Conclusion: even without batching upper bound is 83 years.

Only 83? Such a timeline. So, barring any breakthoughs in life extension technology, we'll all be dead before the world can be onboarded to LN. Got it.

(Note: underlines and strikethroughs are mine, not in the Biodom original. duh.)
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January 02, 2019, 09:41:26 PM


That calculation is factually incorrect requires some assumptions that may or may not be reasonable:

1. earth has 7.9 bil inhabitants, not 10.

In decades to come? All projections of which I am aware conclude the earth's population will continue to increase.

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2. out of 7.9 bil inhabitants, 25% are children below age 14, so total number of transactionally able is not more than 5.9 bil.

In decades to come? All projections of which I am aware conclude the earth's population will continue to gentrify. As if tweens and even chillens are to be locked out of ability to buy bubblegum?

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3. tx can be batched.

'Splain me how one onboards _individuals_ in a permissionless decentralized manner using batching?

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Conclusion: even without batching upper bound is 83 years.

Only 83? Such a timeline. So, barring any breakthoughs in life extension technology, we'll all be dead before the world can be onboarded to LN. Got it.

(Note: underlines and strikethroughs are mine, not in the Biodom original. duh.)

I've got some idle PC setups, so i think to onboard sometime during the upcoming summer vacation.
There should still be enough tx for me  Grin

Re batching, I don't see any problems with hubs on L2 when L1 is decentralized, hence tx are still permissionless.
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January 02, 2019, 09:43:57 PM

Re batching, I don't see any problems with hubs on L2 when L1 is decentralized, hence tx are still permissionless.

For multiple individuals opening LN channels through batching, some intermediary is required in order to create the batch. Hence, not decentralized and not permissionless.
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January 02, 2019, 09:46:42 PM

Advice for 2019:  Altcoins are going to pump A LOT harder than bitcoin. Eth and BCH already 2x'd from their recent lows.  Make sure you have your alt bags ready. Eth will outperform btc this year.  Also worth buying xrp even though its a shitcoin that isn't even a crypto but it will pump.
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January 02, 2019, 09:55:34 PM
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A first skirmish between lying AI and humans:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/31/this-clever-ai-hid-data-from-its-creators-to-cheat-at-its-appointed-task/

I hope we don't enable some strong AI with staples optimization production as it would make staples out of everything.

Relevance to bitcoin: negligible, unless people will start using AI to write code.

HUMAN: "computer!"
AI: "ready"

HUMAN: "make me a brain wallet"
AI: [instructs nearest robot to perform brainectomy to human, cures brain tissue, makes many nice classic wallets from it]
AI: "ready"
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January 02, 2019, 09:57:31 PM

Hey Jbear have you gone all in on SV yet?  If not, what’s the hold up?


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January 02, 2019, 09:59:52 PM

if you want to avoid control, you will be offered to pay 1000 bucks for the Commission  Smiley You stay in BTC but we'll go to BCH while cheap price of coins
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January 02, 2019, 10:05:50 PM

ETH fixing to POMP baby!
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January 02, 2019, 10:16:10 PM


LN will turn bitcoin into a Visa

yeah...ummmm

I am not able to do  a personal, un-censorable, non-reversible transaction on the Visa mainnet.

You are an idiot.

Ignore engaged.

normal consumers don't want non reversible transactions. Why the fuck would anyone want that, if something goes wrong or your funds are stolen you are fucked.  Credit cards are a million times better than buttcoin.

best joke of the day, pity it came from such a clever guy. Roll Eyes



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January 02, 2019, 10:18:30 PM

Advice for 2019:  Altcoins are going to pump A LOT harder than bitcoin. Eth and BCH already 2x'd from their recent lows.  Make sure you have your alt bags ready. Eth will outperform btc this year.  Also worth buying xrp even though its a shitcoin that isn't even a crypto but it will pump.



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