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February 14, 2019, 12:21:06 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?
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February 14, 2019, 12:24:48 PM
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On this most special of Thursdays, I wanted to say "Wordy-man, go fuck yourself. No lube buddy Kiss"

what does a fabulous black guy WO member do for his partner?
and what does the partner do for you ?
in-light us dear BoB

Oh, please, god, no, don't.
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February 14, 2019, 12:28:39 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.
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February 14, 2019, 12:34:57 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.
It is a thing that people who lack knowledge of physical reality say to feel smart. Literally. That is the definition.
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February 14, 2019, 12:35:54 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.

And also, it's"Nurture refers to all the environmental variable" not the other way around as you claim in "Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment."
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February 14, 2019, 12:37:16 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.
It is a thing that people who lack knowledge of physical reality say to feel smart. Literally. That is the definition.

I see you also don't know what "literally" means.
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February 14, 2019, 12:40:38 PM

I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.
It is a thing that people who lack knowledge of physical reality say to feel smart. Literally. That is the definition.

Just to help you out, an idiom is a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g. over the moon, see the light ).
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Now sober up and start taking your meds.
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February 14, 2019, 12:43:51 PM

I was about to declare my first WO poll victory by successfully guessing between $3600 - $3800 but my hopes were suddenly dashed, unless you go by Bitfinex prices...

I studied it a while back and I still don't understand why the $100 premium over there still exists... What's up with that? How come people haven't found a way to arbitrage it down to equilibrium? Just too hard to move coins in and out of there?
They literally stole a third of what people had stashed with them, there is no fucking way I'm ever using them.
Yeah, no way I'd use them, fool me once kind of thing even though I never lost funds with them.
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I'd kill one of these idiots like Fleming or someone. Imagine how few we'd be if you could still die from a dirty cut.
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February 14, 2019, 12:48:35 PM

Never said that "normal people" push more for organic food than they cared about money. Simply stated that money isn't the only, or even primary factor in most people's lives. If it was nobody would be buying anything besides food. People would even live on the street if they didn't need an address for jobs and whatnot. Fact is, for rich people it's rarely about money, and for poor people it's about surviving - also not about money. Nobody truly gives a shit about money.

Well..you said people and it does not matter at all in the slightest as to their normality as to whether or not they are engaged with worry about money. Everyone does it to some degree or another and I would argue that wealth in and of itself requires perhaps more primacy in ones life than being poor does. As for your last sentence I would point you to look closer at history because this concept has dominated human culture for the last ten thousand years.
And that statement is still true.
If it was all about money you wouldn't be able to find people demanding organic food, green energy, or even entertainment. You would find an abundance of suppliers, but no demand.

Point was, and still is, money isn't the primary driver for most people. I'd go as far as to say it's the driver for nobody, as even those that hoard and accumulate money do it for different reasons with money just being a byproduct.

The deeper point was that capitalism isn't about money, and that people who think it is don't understand it in the slightest(inb4 but it says capital)


(Individual) Humans are breeding beyond their economic capacities, which makes them idiots. Hence, idiots are breeding more than they should.

And I consider things to go smooth in the sense that humanity, as a whole, gets exactly what it deserves. One example would be the tribal twats in the States flinging shit at each other from left to right and back.

If that is the extent of public human discourse in the 21st century, then whatever humanity has achieved as a whole is "things going smooth". Possibly too smooth for our own good. I'm not sure if we might not need some very serious event (WW tier) for people to stop being full blown retards over the dumbest fairy tales of problems.

You cant label them as individual in one breath then lump them into a whole the next. Sorry, dosent work that way. The smoothness of society and the achievements of humanity are open to debate I am sure but the examples you have provided are poor indicators as to what most people talk or are thinking about.
Sure I can, because there were two distinct points being made. One about idiots breeding. One about things going relatively smooth.


In so far as there are any real problems they're with degenerates of the like that bring up gender pronouns in politics while aging, disease and hunger are still a thing.
Your slurring degenerates here sir to lump them in with politicians! I happen to know a few worthy degenerates despite the stigma. Carry on.
Not sure what you're trying to get at.
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February 14, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
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JPMorgan unveils first bank-backed 'JPM Coin' cryptocurrency

https://bitcoinist.com/jpmorgan-jpm-coin-cryptocurrency/

https://www.coindesk.com/jpmorgan-moving-its-in-house-crypto-to-real-world-trials-report

"Called JPM Coin, the token has been developed by engineers at the bank, according to a report from CNBC on Thursday, and is moving to real world trials in “a few months”

For the effort, JPM Coin will be used to settle a small portion of its transactions between clients of its wholesale payments business in real time, CNBC says. The bank moves over $6 trillion daily as part of that business, it adds.

Speaking to the news source, Umar Farooq, JPMorgan’s blockchain lead, posited three main use cases for the bank token, including replacing wire transfers for international payments by large corporate clients and cutting settlement times from days to just moments.

It could also be used to provide instant settlement for securities issuances, as well as to replace U.S. dollars at held internatinally by subsidiaries of major corporations using JPMorgan’s treasury services."
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I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.

And also, it's"Nurture refers to all the environmental variable" not the other way around as you claim in "Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment."
Nurture is literally whatever you do with your kids. You, yourself, are only a small part of the environment. Your idiom is wrong.
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I see we disagree heavily,  my main goal is to give people a baseline like an UBI.  We are missing out on a lot of potential by people stuck in poverty that go through extreme stress and are never able to achieve anything great.  I believe everyone should at least have their basics met: education, healthcare, housing, food.

You are rich right? Go do that with your money and shut the fuck up about how the rest of us use ours.

There is only so much one person can do.  Don't you realize crime and violence happens mostly because of poverty.  I'm a bad person for wanting to make the world a better place?

Nope, crime and violence happens mostly because of genetics, with a little nurture on top.
Also environment. High levels of inequality with no way to personally advance also contributes. Quite a lot.

That would be the nurture on top.
No, that's environment. It's different. Words mean things and it is a different word. It's right there, see how that works?

No Ibian, the idiom is "nature versus nurture"

"The nature versus nurture debate is one of the oldest philosophical issues within psychology. So what exactly is it all about?

Nature refers to all of the genes and hereditary factors that influence who we are—from our physical appearance to our personality characteristics.
Nurture refers to all the environmental variables that impact who we are, including our early childhood experiences, how we were raised, our social relationships, and our surrounding culture."

Words mean things and It's right there, see how that works?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nature-versus-nurture-2795392
Physical reality trumps idioms. Behavior is, mostly, genetics plus environment. Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment. Another part is just how Venezuelaed is the economy?

You really don't know what in idiom is, do you.

And also, it's"Nurture refers to all the environmental variable" not the other way around as you claim in "Nurture, what we call raising kids, is part of the environment."
Nurture is literally whatever you do with your kids. You, yourself, are only a small part of the environment. Your idiom is wrong.

I think sticking to the definition agreed upon by the profession when talking about a subject is preferable to making up your own definitions. It helps a lot if everybody speaks the same language.

And an idiom can't be wrong, you still don't get what an idiom is do you.
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February 14, 2019, 01:46:30 PM

Nature vs nurture is no more than the question about how much in a person's behavior (including skills etc) is genetic and how much can be picked up throughout a lifetime. Nurture in the idiom refers to any external stimuli that could nurture a person.

Now, in reality, it's both to an extent nobody fucking knows. And at the end of the day there's a person making decisions, the choices that will ring most loudly within their heads will be whatever genetics and environment threw at them. And the person makes the choice.

And technically, the whole debate only exists because genetic/environmental factors are vastly more prevalent than original thought, coupled with the fact that people don't fucking understand statistics worth shit. The only thing that matters is an individual's choice, everything else is noise.
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JPMorgan unveils first bank-backed 'JPM Coin' cryptocurrency

https://bitcoinist.com/jpmorgan-jpm-coin-cryptocurrency/

https://www.coindesk.com/jpmorgan-moving-its-in-house-crypto-to-real-world-trials-report

"Called JPM Coin, the token has been developed by engineers at the bank, according to a report from CNBC on Thursday, and is moving to real world trials in “a few months”

For the effort, JPM Coin will be used to settle a small portion of its transactions between clients of its wholesale payments business in real time, CNBC says. The bank moves over $6 trillion daily as part of that business, it adds.

Speaking to the news source, Umar Farooq, JPMorgan’s blockchain lead, posited three main use cases for the bank token, including replacing wire transfers for international payments by large corporate clients and cutting settlement times from days to just moments.

It could also be used to provide instant settlement for securities issuances, as well as to replace U.S. dollars at held internatinally by subsidiaries of major corporations using JPMorgan’s treasury services."
The banks are joining the game, be prepared for Bitcoin to quickly change into a suitable world reserve according to the media and news outlets.
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Guys, this is a little embarrassing to ask, but..... Will all of you be my Valentine? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Don't tell my wife

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