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[Negotiation]

Google's 2FA is quite simple. It works by time, and changes every 30 seconds, spits out a 6 digit number. You have 10 backup codes and they are 8 digits. There's a slightly different formula to generate those and those backup codes don't really change unless you tell Google.

I don't use the official Google Authenticator app, there's a free open-source version made by Red Hat available in the Play Store.

There's also a browser based page I use on a separate offline computer.

So how to safe them?
people are said Google's 2FA great option for account security?
Example: Bittrex recommended Enable  Google's 2FA then 100BTC withdrawal limit other hands lower limit.

[JayJuanGee]

Hello..

I have been searching this forum for a while now so how come this is the biggest thread in the whole forum? you are constantly posting speculations on the Bitcoin price?

ignore list ! bcz of what is this attitude !

Oh no, i did not mean any disrespect or whatsoever ! I just had no idea how to join this conversation then i randomly typed something... facepalm x2 & sweating bullets

Ignore the fucking retarded one who goes by the name B1tUnl0ck3r.  

At best, B1tUnl0ck3r is a contra-indicator, but most of the time, especially in recent days, he is rambling garbage and mumbo jumbo that is largely indecipherable. (Edit:  I see HairyMCbairy already mostly said this)

Regarding buying into bitcoin, you are never too late... .including getting started today.  There is an expression in bitcoinlandia that seems to be quite true, which is when is the best time to buy bitcoin, and the answer is that the best time to buy bitcoin is yesterday, but the second best time to buy bitcoin is today.  


You should consider your plan and dollar cost averaging is one way to get started into BTC, and attempting to front load is another way to get started.  

Those methods can be combined, but if you merely buy some BTC in order to get a stake in it, and then dollar cost average over 5-10 years, you are likely to be very prosperous by the end of such period... but of course you have to take responsibility for any decision that you make and to make sure that you are comfortable with whatever plan that you develop follow and tweak from time to time to conform with changes in your personal situation including cash flow, other investments, views on bitcoin, risk tolerance, timeline and your skills and talents involving how much time that you have for learning or practicing your skills towards bitcoin.

Just by coming to this thread, you are ahead of the game.  It takes a while to learn by experience, including setting up accounts, figuring out your cash flow issues and just not making mistakes by getting too emotional, getting into shitcoins or getting too impatient with attempts to get rich quick temptations.

Seems to me that the smartest of BTC investors (or maybe the most lucky) over time are ones who first engage in a learning and accumulation phase, and maybe as they learn they might figure out better and better ways to accumulate without taking too many risks and mostly buying and HODLing.

Once you accumulate enough BTC up to a certain level that you are comfortable, then you might engage in some more risky strategies including investigating to shit coins, to the extent that any might still exist by the time you largely have accumulated BTC up to a level that is comfortable for you.

Well i do not think he is retarded, he was right i did came in a bit harsh..

I wish i could buy any Bitcoins but we are really bankrupt.. we can barely buy food with chump change we have left when paying all the bills then the food and water... its harsh to take care of all family members with no salary. Lost my job 1 month ago in auto industry -.-"

But i will hustle to get some Bitcoin i think i can do it.. I would be willing to accept a job here if anyone knows for any !

I think i will be dead in 5-10 years lol not even joking. But i am willing to learn about this new technology and that some ..

O.k.  Well if you do not invest at all, then you are going to have a lot more difficulties profiting at all from bitcoin, except for the overall infrastructure and general system incentives that Bitcoin creates that will likely motivate all currencies to become more sound in their money practices.

Of course, with any investment, you have to make sure that your basic expenses are covered first, and you also have to have some liquid emergency funds available to make sure that you are not stressing or desperate about shortages of cash flow.. So Yeah, if you hardly have any cashflow than it is going to be more difficult for you to stack away value in bitcoins, whether merely $20 a month or whatever small amount might work in order to stack a side reserve in an asset that is quite likely to hold its value and to appreciate in value.

I understand that some people have a timeline that is even shorter than 5 years or they might consider that they could be dead in that amount of time, so in those circumstances their investment strategy might change including putting very little into bitcoin and maybe just keeping some money in cash.

I do accept that you have some challenging circumstances if you are having quite difficult times in stashing away any cash or value or an inability to save, so one of your first priorities might be to figure out how to increase your incoming cashflow and maybe even to reduce your outgoing cashflow, to the extent feasible.  Each person likely has measures that s/he can take to improve these matters or even figuring out ways to plan ahead, but if you get to a point of total exhaustion of methods to be able to create a savings plan into bitcoin, then I agree it is going to be harder for you to profit as much directly from bitcoin as compared with someone who is able to generate enough surplus cashflow in order to be able to stash some of the extra savings into bitcoin... even if it is only $20 a month or whatever is reasonably and feasibly possible without risking too much regarding maintaining a decent cash reserves for emergencies and for monthly expenses, food, water and shelter, as the most basic of needs.....

[JayJuanGee]

Note: If they hack the core of a site they can get the seeds and get through your TOTP MFA. This is not possible with Yubikey.

Sir, any link explaining in more detailed way how works youbikey?
Many thanks

I linked to the below yubico.com website, earlier today.  Maybe that one is helpful?

When I got sim ported which also involved the hacker taking over some of my email accounts, the hacker also set up authy in my name (those fucks) because I had not set up authy.... It was quite a bit of a hassle to get that sorted out, but seems to be an advantage to attempt to stay on top of things including having some things set up in your name in order that hackers would not be able to do so after they have taken over your accounts.... .. so yeah, there are worse solutions that GA... and like was mentioned earlier, maybe setting up a Yubikey is an option too (https://www.yubico.com/).

I understand that some of these matters are complicated, but part of the responsibility of holding bitcoin and getting into this new fucking be your own bank crap is to do a bit more work to learn and to attempt to take decent and reasonable measures to protect your wealth... I can personally testify that losing bitcoins to hackers is not a good feeling... . especially if you work decently hard to stack your sats or whatever and spend a decent amount of time building, building and building, and with a few key strokes, fucking bitcoin transactions are not (currently) reversible.

[rebal15]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

[Negotiation]

don't mind just asked how to set image Down place on profile name?
Example: cap image.

[Biodom]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

[rebal15]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

You mean like political leaders.

[Biodom]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

You mean like political leaders.

no, the exact opposite...you are clearly not familiar with the term.

[rebal15]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

You mean like political leaders.

no, the exact opposite

So, the anarchist leaders.

[JayJuanGee]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

How is your wait for sub $9k coins going bud?

Are you getting nervous, yet?

And, you also had suggested that you might be waiting for much lower prices.  Didn't you suggest $7.5k price area as a more deeper correction wave?

Regarding my earlier post, captured below.  I believe that I am in need to request an extension of time for our "imminent" momentum to re-visit supra $10k.  Another 24 hours could be enough, perhaps?  Should I give up on supra $10k?  Are we "going down, before up?"  just askin (sayin).                

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Are we in concordance about anything?

I would like to be in concordance that it surely looks like we are imminently about to re-visit supra $10k.   The next hours seem to be critical.^tm

[rebal15]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

How is your wait for sub $9k coins going bud?

Are you getting nervous, yet?

And, you also had suggested that you might be waiting for much lower prices.  Didn't you suggest $7.5k price area as a more deeper correction wave?

Regarding my earlier post, captured below.  I believe that I am in need to request an extension of time for our "imminent" momentum to re-visit supra $10k.  Another 24 hours could be enough, perhaps?  Should I give up on supra $10k?  Are we "going down, before up?"  just askin (sayin).                

[edited out]

Are we in concordance about anything?

I would like to be in concordance that it surely looks like we are imminently about to re-visit supra $10k.   The next hours seem to be critical.^tm

I would prefer to talk about the term "bitcoin leaders" not about "bitcoin price".
If you have any explanation?

[Biodom]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

You mean like political leaders.

no, the exact opposite

So, the anarchist leaders.

no, knowledge leaders, aka someone who knows math.

[rebal15]

Libra poisoned the well.

It would almost certainly destabilize currencies and even countries if/when let loose.
Example: a country has NIRP...Libra does not...so, you sell local currency and pocket the % (of NIRP) every year; or, you are in a non G-7 country...you sell local currency and buy Libra (a basket is almost always better than a single one). India and Russia-first two large countries to ban Libra on day one, I think.

Regarding libra and bitcoin-not sure how it would affect it, but i disagree about any optimism.
If I was one of bitcoin leaders or code contributors (and I am not), I would greatly accelerate Lightning wallets development.
On a positive side, some in Congress (and not in Senate) seem to understand the difference between something that is decentralized and centralized.

What do you mean with "bitcoin leaders"?

opinion leaders, what else, bud.

You mean like political leaders.

no, the exact opposite

So, the anarchist leaders.

no, knowledge leaders, aka someone who knows math.

Ok, so they are developers.

[JayJuanGee]

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I would prefer to talk about the term "bitcoin leaders" not about "bitcoin price".
If you have any explanation?

Of course, you would, you troll-laden unable to focus diptwat, raising questions about stupid-ass shit that does not really matter in order that you might be able to hook onto some troll/shill talking points to distract from more "important" stuff.

Speaking of "important stuff," earlier today we were opining about risks of attempting to kill bears by spear.  Holy shit.

[realr0ach]

What's wrong with Buttunlocker?    Account hacked or another roach-wannabe?  

Shitunlocker is Jewish cointelpro.  His purpose is to spam the thread with jibberish to try and distract people anytime he sees me talking about Jewish crimes and financial Ponzi schemes.  Can't have the goyim knowing (woops too late).

[JayJuanGee]

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Ok, so they are developers.

Lookie uie...

Trying to get Biodom to take your bait.

who gives any shits about what Biodom or any of us say about bitcoin thought leaders or opinion leaders...?


Bitcoin is ultimately a platform that has a multitude of networking effects, and growth with various aspects of the network have different people who are more influential than others, but it is a moving target of a whole hell of a lot of decentralization, driven by market motives, contribution to open source and sound money, and incentives to produce and/or compete to produce quality product without compromising basic principles of sound money, security, collaboration and the ability of others to build on prior work.

Some folks have more influence in various networks of bitcoin's space than others in terms of the kind of sense that they talk and their NOT getting distracted by shitcoin talk, scams, pump and dumbs or various other distracting talk, but in the end, there are no exact leaders.. to say,,, take me to your leader... you diptwat..

You seem to have been attempting to explode the context of Biodom's prior comment about leaders influencing bitcoin and to hook onto some bullshit in order to suggest that there is some kind of bitcoin leaders - even though some people might be influential in development and making proposals, but their proposals need to be accepted and adopted, to the extent that they come up with some good ideas and direction that they want to attempt to push, whether on bitcoin or lightning or anything that is tying into core aspects of bitcoin's way forward, you fuck.

[rebal15]

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I would prefer to talk about the term "bitcoin leaders" not about "bitcoin price".
If you have any explanation?

Of course, you would, you troll-laden unable to focus diptwat, raising questions about stupid-ass shit that does not really matter in order that you might be able to hook onto some troll/shill talking points to distract from more "important" stuff.

Speaking of "important stuff," earlier today we were opining about risks of attempting to kill bears by spear.  Holy shit.

I am not trolling. I was accused of by a stupid hodlers when I said that sec will never accept BTC ETF and gov will not adopt BTC. My opinions are based on what i know about BTC and what BTC is aiming for. After all, it is my choise to buy or sell.

[JayJuanGee]

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I would prefer to talk about the term "bitcoin leaders" not about "bitcoin price".
If you have any explanation?

Of course, you would, you troll-laden unable to focus diptwat, raising questions about stupid-ass shit that does not really matter in order that you might be able to hook onto some troll/shill talking points to distract from more "important" stuff.

Speaking of "important stuff," earlier today we were opining about risks of attempting to kill bears by spear.  Holy shit.

I am not trolling. I was accused of by a stupid hodlers when I said that sec will never accept BTC ETF and gov will not adopt BTC. My opinions are based on what i know about BTC and what BTC is aiming for. After all, it is my choise to buy or sell.

I will admit that every once in a while you might make a post that makes some sense, but you have a pretty damned large tendency to spout out a lot of nonsense that likely would put you in the category of troll/shill...

So, yeah, if you start to post more genuinely, then maybe people like me or others in this thread will start to take your comments more seriously in terms of their attempt to meaningful contributions... I, personally, have seen very little of that coming from your posts, but yeah, o.k. I would not mind if you actually would improve your posts and start to make some more sensible and important points beyond spouting largely nonsense.  Good luck with that.   

[rebal15]

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Ok, so they are developers.

Lookie uie...

Trying to get Biodom to take your bait.

who gives any shits about what Biodom or any of us say about bitcoin thought leaders or opinion leaders...?


Bitcoin is ultimately a platform that has a multitude of networking effects, and growth with various aspects of the network have different people who are more influential than others, but it is a moving target of a whole hell of a lot of decentralization, driven by market motives, contribution to open source and sound money, and incentives to produce and/or compete to produce quality product without compromising basic principles of sound money, security, collaboration and the ability of others to build on prior work.

Some folks have more influence in various networks of bitcoin's space than others in terms of the kind of sense that they talk and their NOT getting distracted by shitcoin talk, scams, pump and dumbs or various other distracting talk, but in the end, there are no exact leaders.. to say,,, take me to your leader... you diptwat..

You seem to have been attempting to explode the context of Biodom's prior comment about leaders influencing bitcoin and to hook onto some bullshit in order to suggest that there is some kind of bitcoin leaders - even though some people might be influential in development and making proposals, but their proposals need to be accepted and adopted, to the extent that they come up with some good ideas and direction that they want to attempt to push, whether on bitcoin or lightning or anything that is tying into core aspects of bitcoin's way forward, you fuck.

Lets make things clear. It is not me who said Bitcoin leaders. You should quote who said it.

[Biodom]

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Ok, so they are developers.

Lookie uie...

Trying to get Biodom to take your bait.

who gives any shits about what Biodom or any of us say about bitcoin thought leaders or opinion leaders...?


Bitcoin is ultimately a platform that has a multitude of networking effects, and growth with various aspects of the network have different people who are more influential than others, but it is a moving target of a whole hell of a lot of decentralization, driven by market motives, contribution to open source and sound money, and incentives to produce and/or compete to produce quality product without compromising basic principles of sound money, security, collaboration and the ability of others to build on prior work.

Some folks have more influence in various networks of bitcoin's space than others in terms of the kind of sense that they talk and their NOT getting distracted by shitcoin talk, scams, pump and dumbs or various other distracting talk, but in the end, there are no exact leaders.. to say,,, take me to your leader... you diptwat..

You seem to have been attempting to explode the context of Biodom's prior comment about leaders influencing bitcoin and to hook onto some bullshit in order to suggest that there is some kind of bitcoin leaders - even though some people might be influential in development and making proposals, but their proposals need to be accepted and adopted, to the extent that they come up with some good ideas and direction that they want to attempt to push, whether on bitcoin or lightning or anything that is tying into core aspects of bitcoin's way forward, you fuck.

Lets make things clear. It is not me who said Bitcoin leaders. You should quote who said it.

yeah, but it was already abundantly clear (just by looking at the context) to anyone without a preconceived agenda.
I digress..